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21 | Enoch and Elijah didn't see God yet? | John 3:13 | DPMartin | 233763 | ||
The Lord states that no one of the place, earth, meaning us peoples, has ascended to the place, Heaven. He, the Lord Jesus has come from the place, Heaven, into the place, earth, meaning flesh which is made of earth. And note that at the time the Lord said this, it is true, but after His resurrection that which came from Heaven descended into the earth and ascended in to Heaven. Hence those born of Holy Spirit, which is from the place known as Heaven, came into the place that is of earth, flesh, and shall ascend in to Heaven as Jesus did. Jn:3:13: And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Also note that those born of the Holy Spirit that Heaven is in them. (Lk:17:21) and is at hand (Lk:10:11, Mk:1:15)for anyone else. The OP was asking about seeing God. And used this verse (Jn:3:13) to question whether or not anyone has seen God, such as Enoch or Elijah, because no one has ascended into Heaven, and pointing to Moses, shows that ascending into Heaven according to scripture wasn’t required to see God. The subject is about seeing God, or whether God has been seen or not. As Moses has experienced, ascension into Heaven isn’t required to see God, when God comes to us, and where we are. |
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22 | Enoch and Elijah didn't see God yet? | John 3:13 | DPMartin | 233749 | ||
Note that what you are saying isn’t what the Lord said here: Jn:3:13: And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. He said no one has ascended in to heaven, He didn’t say, no one has seen the Lord or the Lord God. Moses seen the Lord God’s back, but he didn’t ascend into Heaven to do so. |
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23 | Enoch and Elijah didn't see God yet? | John 3:13 | DPMartin | 233748 | ||
Note that what you are saying isn’t what the Lord said here: Jn:3:13: And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. He said no one has ascended in to heaven, He didn’t say, no one has seen the Lord or the Lord God. Moses seen the Lord God’s back, but he didn’t ascend into Heaven to do so. |
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24 | Man's understanding is not always God's | Prov 21:2 | DPMartin | 233641 | ||
EdB "These differences aren't the problem the problem is the willingness of Christians to accept differences and not seek the absolute truth. Is it because they don't believe there is an absolute truth, or that they are the only ones to possess that truth?" That’s correct, the only One that is the Truth is Jesus Christ, the Word of God. If neither person has a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, then neither person can seek the Lord for the Truth of the matter. |
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25 | Man's understanding is not always God's | Prov 21:2 | DPMartin | 233640 | ||
Yes, the five people can agree because the agreement of God fulfilled to all mankind is Jesus Christ, which is God’s choice for mankind. It is man’s choice to hold on to his own theologies or ideas. Fools agree to disagree, the wise agree with, and in Jesus Christ, and agree that Jesus Christ is correct, and the correct interpretation/fulfillment. He is the Word of God come into the flesh, He has to be correct about the Word of God. If the five disregard their own, and agree that Jesus Christ is correct at all times on all matters, then they understand the Way that is in the Kingdom of Heaven. Its simple since Jesus is correct, and they disagree, then they are incorrect, because what is correct is Jesus Christ. Now if you are saying those who want to disagree will not change, then what they value is their want (for whatever reason) the Lord God sees their hearts. It is usually God that changes the want of men by placing them in circumstances and situations beyond their control. If you look to men you will be disappointed, look to the Lord Jesus Christ, He is Faithful to the end, and forever. |
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26 | Man's understanding is not always God's | Prov 21:2 | DPMartin | 233632 | ||
EdB The testimony is in the Lord Jesus in one’s self, no where else. Its not required to be in some one else, for us, or with some one else, for us, its is to be with ourselves in unity in Christ. Consider, in the Kingdom of Heaven what is there that would be in disagreement with the Lord our God and be in Heaven, or remain in Heaven? My friend in Christ, it is all about the agreement fulfilled in Christ Jesus, and agreement in and with Jesus Christ. What? Did you think it should be easy? Again, it is Righteousness that delivers from death, not human nature. The fallowing is not a metaphor or a expression of pleasant affections, it is a necessity. Ps:18:1: I will love thee, O LORD, my strength. 2: The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower. 3: I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies. 4: The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid. 5: The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me. 6: In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears. Of which men, who know the Lord will surly experience. |
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27 | Man's understanding is not always God's | Prov 21:2 | DPMartin | 233629 | ||
EdB Yes you’re right about that, it is not the denominations or theologies we have to worry about though. Jesus responded to that and the Apostles dealt with that also. I do believe the Wisdom of God in this is that He allows men to have what they chose, and the results thereof, but He never lets it get confused with the Truth of God, and those who seek it. |
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28 | Man's understanding is not always God's | Prov 21:2 | DPMartin | 233627 | ||
BradK thanks for the reply Augustine (a great man for sure) may have used theology to have "Rational discussion respecting the deity" but rational to who? Talk to and atheist and the existence of God is irrational, but yet the atheist insists on reason, that is in his view rational (or logical). And talk to a true theist and spirit, Holy Spirit, Presence of God in God’s creation and knowing God is irrational, but again the theist who will state that there is a God, will state that knowing God and or His Presence in existence is irrational and is without reason or logic. The location to find such would be philosophy, and theorizing using reason (or logic) in what is reasonable in their own view. The difference is that the priest (Rv:1:6, Rv:5:10, Ex:19:6) is to know God, having a relationship with God, in creation in the world that is shared with the priest’s neighbor. Of which there is no theology required to be fulfilled. As Apostle Paul has said who had much experience with the Greek attitude of reason required. 1Cor:1:22: For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 1Cor:1:24: But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Hence Christ is the Power and Wisdom of God, not reason nor rational for it is also said by the Apostle Paul that God chose the foolishness of preaching rather than the reasoning of men. (1Cor:1:21) And it would be appropriately so because if it requires reasoning of men or rational of men to be saved, then men would declare their own salvation, and fool themselves in to believing they can save themselves and keep themselves from death. The Lord God is not required to meet anyone’s reason or reasoning in order to be, and do as He sees fit. One should hope one can present reason why the Lord God should let him live in God’s Presence, and the Truth is the reason the Lord God would, is something the Lord God provided in Jesus Christ. Therefore reasons and reasoning is not required for salvation, it is Righteousness that delivers from death (Prov:10:2, Prov:11:4), of which is only of God. Needless to say, 1Cor:1-2 is pocked full of what Paul has to say about Wisdom of God versus wisdom of men. The study or science which treats of God, His nature and attributes, and His relations with man and the universe; ‘the science of things divine’; divinity. Maybe interesting for those who do not know the Lord God, speculating like news media before an anticipated event or conclusion, but its speculation at best. The True God, is revealed with those He is with, and so is His nature and attributes, of which there is no speculation only belief and trust. Don’t believe me? Then look at the Bible, a documentation of a people experiencing the Presence of the Almighty with them. |
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29 | Man's understanding is not always God's | Prov 21:2 | DPMartin | 233616 | ||
EdB If I might add: It seems to me that theology is for the theist or deist that believes there is a God but doesn’t know the Lord God, or believes God can not be known. As we know, religion is just a system of belief and not all systems of belief are a religion. The Tora is a system of belief, or even a trust, not a religion, nor a theology. Given by the Word of God, delivered by the hand of Moses to a people to come into agreement with the Lord God in. The Tora and the prophets is what is fulfilled in Christ, and therefore Christ is the interpretation thereof, that is acceptable before the Almighty. And if one thinks that what is known today about the gospel message wasn’t known then, I would disagree, read the last verses of Palm 17 and you can see that King David knew and understood more about what Jesus came into the world and did, then most who call themselves Christian. Its not what one calls himself, or chooses to agree with, it is what the Lord God calls you, and has given for you to be in agreement with Him in. Christianity has become like a grocery store, where there is a selection of theologies to chose from on the shelf, hence a God of their approval as they see God ought to be. When it was the Tora that was given by the Lord God. It is looking to Jesus Christ as the interpretation/fulfillment of the agreements between the Creator and Judge of all things, and mankind, that units the people of God. Not what men think about God. The knowledge and understanding, is revelation, that is of God. |
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