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21 | Where did the dead go prior to Jesus | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86100 | ||
Your words have added a blessing to me. Always use the sword of truth which is the bible to battle the fiery darts of the enemy. Nothing is more precious than the simple truths which Jesus himself proclaimed (John 17:17) "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." Phil |
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22 | Where did the dead go prior to Jesus | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86099 | ||
Psalm 16:10 is true because Jesus did not stay in the Grave (Sheol) nor did his body see corruption (decay). I don't understand what you mean with the example of John 12:1-11? |
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23 | Where did the dead go prior to Jesus | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86098 | ||
So then you believe in conscious thought after death? Now, I'm curious. Do you believe also in the immortal soul? What then is the second death that Rev 2:11, 20:6, 20:14, 21:8 speaks of? Lest I stray of the topic, let me clarify. The confusion lies in mixing the 2 Lazarus' up. Luke 16 is an allegory. I believe he purposely used the Name of Lazarus so that there would be no lack of conviction for the Pharisees when it would happen in reality. It is not meant to be taken literally. He spoke this parable to teach them about life and death. The importance here is related to (Matt 6:20) "But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven...", and (Matt 6:33) "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." The Pharisees were lovers of money (verse 14) and they were equated to the Rich Man's place. This is evident throughout Jesus' ministry how he despised the Hipocrisy of the Pharisees. What do you think Jesus meant when he spoke to his disciples of Lazarus? First he said, our friend Lazarus sleeps, then when they thought he meant that he is resting, Jesus plainly told them "Lazarus is dead". If Jesus described death as a sleep here, then he is merely being consistent with the old testament thought that death is a sleep. No conscious thought. Is there another text that supports conscious thought in sheol other than this one which is clearly a parable? You said that our bodies are put in the graves and not our soul and spirit. Hear me out on this one. This is the best example I think that illustrates the belief on Gen 2:7 (And the LORD God formed man of the DUST of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH of LIFE; and man became a LIVING SOUL.) To make a BOX (living soul), you need wood (dust) and nails (breath of life). When you fashion the wood in the form of a cube and nail it together, you form a box. If you remove the nails from the wood, you no longer have a box but a scrap of wood. How then can it be that there is conscious thought if there is no soul, spirit or life in the body? When you die, the breath of life is gone (no nails), and you return to dust. Sheol meaning "underworld" is consistent with the grave, abode of the dead, depths of the earth. There is no contraversy in that. I believe the error comes from the great compromise that Christians did in order to bring more pagans to the faith in the days of Constantine. Someone who loves TRUTH, Phil |
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24 | Where did the dead go prior to Jesus | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86085 | ||
Correction Tim, Elijah never died (2 Kings 2:11) and Moses was resurrected (Jude 1:9). These both symbolized the dead in Christ (Moses) and the Living in Christ (Elijah) to provide hope. The Old testament saints were seen being resurrected but it does not go on to say that they told people where they were and what death was like. Many people throughout the ages have all questioned what happens after death. Are you conscious or not? Don't you think that they would have had something to say on the matter to the people if they were in Heaven or Hell? Would Lazarus have been happy to be taken away from Heaven where we ALL desire to be or did he express great thanks to Jesus for rescuing him from hell and from being tormented? Brother in Christ, it was a lie back when Satan said to Eve (Gen 3:4) "You surely will not die", and it is still a lie now. I think we are saying the same thing but I just wanted to clarify myself so as to eliminate any confusion. My apologies if I have confused anyone any further ;-) Phil |
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25 | Does Luke 16 use the term 'parable'? | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86083 | ||
Thank you for the prompt response but I would like to clarify something. I agree that at the ressurection God reunites body and soul. I also agree with your other statements. I posted this in reply to wether or not there is a consciousness after death. I believe death to be a Sleep that the dead in Crist shall be awoken from when Jesus returns and that the wicked dead shall be awoken from after the millenial reign. | ||||||
26 | Where did the dead go prior to Jesus | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86078 | ||
Sheol is the grave. Haven't you read Ecclesiastes 9:5? Where was Lazarus then before Jesus called him forth from the grave? "John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead." Jesus said to them plainly, Lazarus is dead. The dead go to the graves and are buried. Remember that there are those that are dead in Christ and those that are NOT. But the thing that they have in common are that they are BOTH DEAD, in the graves (sheol), until the harvest meaning the end of the world. |
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27 | Does Luke 16 use the term 'parable'? | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86074 | ||
If there IS consciousness after death and people go to hell when they die, then why the need for a ressurection? When is the Judgment day and What is the Harvest that Jesus spoke about in Matt 13:39? | ||||||
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