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181 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 31010 | ||
My point was not to suggest that History, Science, and Common sense could save you. However, there are many who have come to "Faith" though History, Science, and Common Sense. These things can either lead us to saving faith or they can edify our faith. That is the point that I am trying to make. History and Science should not be overlooked merely because we have Faith to stand on. History and Science should be utilized because they are the process by which we examine God's creation. At one time in my life, I took almost everything upon Faith, and ignored everything else. Then I picked up a National Geographic magazine and began to read articles about nature, history, and science. By studying the history and science behind the passages in the Bible, I feel that not only have I gained a deeper understanding of God's word, but that my Faith is stronger because I see his creative majesty and divine authority all around me. People come up to me and ask me where in nature I see God and his works. I turn to them and say that I see nothing but God and his works. Faith took me so far, but Faith with History and Science has taken me even further. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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182 | What about those who never heard of JC ? | Bible general Archive 1 | Jesusman | 31009 | ||
Hello Charis, True, this is primarily theory, but then again, I enjoy these types of discussions. :-) The important thing to remember is that all of creation ultimately points to Christ, especially the Bible. The Bible is largely the Biography of Jesus Christ. As for John 1:1, and Jesus being called "the Word". This is a fasinating study. Let me share with you the benefits of some research I did on the greek word "Logos" translated as "Word". In the Greek, there are three words that can be translated "Word": "Logos", "Rhema", and "Lalia". "Lalia" means "word", but in the meaning of "utterance". An accurate rendering would be Babble, baby-talk, noise, and etc. The idea focusing upon the noise produced. A dog barking and a person speaking in a foreign language would both be "Lalia". "Logos" means "word" also. However, in contrast to "Lalia", "Logos" focuses upon the thought and the intelligence behind the speaking. My post that I am currently typing is "Logos" because I am thinking things through, putting it into an identifiable order, and so forth. We get our english word "logic" from "Logos". Now for "Rhema". "Rhema" also means "word", and carries similar intellectual implications that "Logos" carries. However, "Rhema" focuses upon the actual words being spoken. While "Logos" focuses upon what takes place in the Mind, "Rhema" often focuses upon the words themselves. Now, to sum this up with an example, let's set the scene in a resturaunt in Paris. You and I are eating dinner in Paris, and we are talking in english about a painting we saw that day. The waiter comes up and he only understands French. Ok? Now, you and I would be speaking in "Logos" and "Rhema" to each other, because we would be understanding each other. The Waiter would be hearing "Lalia", because he wouldn't be able to understand english. Got that? Now, how does all that tie into Jesus being called "the Word". Jesus is called "logos". He is referred to as not only "the Word", but the thought behind it, the logic of the Word, and the intelligence behind the Word. By tying this into Genesis 1:1 as John did, he is stating that intelligence, thought, and Logic behind the creative words of God in Genesis chapter one is Jesus Christ. That is a bold and profound thought. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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183 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 31006 | ||
On an added note, Sodom and Gamorrah are known all throughout scripture to have been destroyed due to their sexual immorality. The term "sodomite", which is derived from name of the city of Sodom, carries the meaning of someone who acted as the people of Sodom acted, ie: sexually immoral. This is a constant meaning throughout the Bible. It is not disputed. On top of that, there is no direct, undisputed passage that says that angels acted sexually immoral. With that, and what I said in my previous post concerning the Greek language, it follows that the cities around sodom and gamorrah acted like Sodom and Gamorrah. Angels aren't a part of this verse. The only relation between verse 6 and 7 is that they are examples of those who have disobeyed and were punished. Verses 6 and 7 share this with verse 5, and the three ultimately tie into the larger context of the Epistle of Jude. Jesusman |
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184 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 31003 | ||
Just because something is invisible, does not mean that there is no proof that is exists. History, Science, and common sense go hand in hand with faith. A Scientist has faith in the Scientific Method long before he even begins to theorize. A historian has faith in the research of his predecessors long before he begins to reaches for a book. Jesusman |
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185 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 31002 | ||
This reminds me of something my former pastor told me once. "Any dead salmon can float down stream, but it takes a live salmon to swim against the currents." Jesusman |
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186 | Understanding Motives | Bible general Archive 1 | Jesusman | 31001 | ||
Hello, From Matthew 6:12 and the Lord's Prayer? The idea being presented is that while we are to ask for the forgiveness of our own sins or wrongs that we have committed against God, we are to forgive those who have sinned or wronged us as well. It ties into the Christian mindset. Basically, the whole Christian mindset should be to concider the actions of Jesus Christ and to mimick them as closely as possible. The question "What Would Jesus Do?" presents this mindset really well. I would recommend reading Matthew 6:5-15; Philippians 1:21-30; Philippians 2:1-18. These passages talk a lot about the Christian mindset. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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187 | What about those who never heard of JC ? | Bible general Archive 1 | Jesusman | 31000 | ||
Hello Charis, Since the Bible records such events as happening, obviously it is possible and can happen. The God of Abraham is the same God we serve today. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Therefore, it is entirely within his means to do so. Besides, is not all knowledge that we have of God and his will brought to us through supernatural means on God's part? After all, It was God who first came to man and revealed himself. There isn't an event recorded in history where a person came to God without God first coming to him. The only difference is in the means. As for Abraham's experience being unique, you are correct. Then again, each of our experiences are unique. That does not remove the possibility of such events of being able to take place. It merely establishes the fact that God approaches each person in his own way. Besides, it isn't through reading the Bible, hearing a testimony, singing a song, praying a prayer, or anything that saves you. It is through the Holy Spirit alone that a Person is saved. There have been many scholors who have read the Bible and have not been saved. I know of many who sing Christian songs, yet do not understand the meanings they are singing. I have heard empty prayers, and have witnessed people ignore my testimonies time and time again. It is the Holy Spirit who saves. I leave the means up to him. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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188 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 30984 | ||
As for faith and proof, proof edifies faith. Take air for example. Air is odorless, tasteless, touchless, it is silent, and invisible. To all your five senses, air doesn't exist. The only proof that air exists is three-fold. First, when it moves, ie: Wind, you can hear it and feel it. Second, you are kept alive by breathing it. Third, when oxidation occures, ie: rust and etc., you can see it's effects. God works in the same manner. With all your five senses, God doesn't exist. However, when he moves, or reveals himself, you can know he exists. Second, you are alive by his creative power. Third, when he works around you, you can see his effects. Now, do we believe that air exists by faith alone? No, we use science and proof to support the existance of Air. Why should we act different with God. God provided us with the tools, the mind, and the capacity to reason, research, and reply on our own accord. Why should abandon our God given talents and abilities? Jesusman |
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189 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 30981 | ||
Hello Tim, As for Job, and the LXX using angels, true, it does say that. This was one of the things I was researching this week. However, according to my sources, only the LXX uses "angels". I haven't been able to find another source that uses it. This leads me to think that the true reading was "sons". Next, and for the book of Enoch being used in Jude, yes, and it is directly referenced in Jude 14. However, I wonder why Enoch wasn't placed among the cannon? As for "toutos", It doesn't refer to the angels in verse 6. I spelled it out in my other post I gave to "Discipled". You might want to check it out. Here's the abridged edition. "Toutos" refers to Sodom and Gammorah, not the angels. First, you have a constistant pattern. To mention the angels in verse 6, in verse 7, would break up that pattern. If not, then verse 6 would also refer to the people of egypt from verse 5 in one form or another. As we can see, it doesn't. So, the pattern includes that the example of one verse is separate from the other examples in the context. Then there is a matter of punctuation. There is a greek coma between "sodom and gammorah" and "the cities around them". There is no such punctuation between "sodom" and "Gammorah". This shows that "Sodom and Gammorah" are to be contrasted or compared to "the cities around them". The following verse shows that comparisson. "They (the cities around them), in the same manner as these (Sodom and Gammorah) ...". Jesusman |
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190 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 30975 | ||
Hello, I appologize for waiting so long to reply. I have been going over the text in the greek. The context doesn't support your claims entirely. Let me clarify. First there is a pattern to the text of Jude 1:5-7. You have the comment in verse 5 stating that the reader should remember the following events and pay attention to them. Also in verse 5, you have the people of egypt mentioned, their unbelief, and the punishment given. Then we turn to verse 6. IN verse 6, you have the angels, their sin, which was leaving the natural domain, and the punishment, which is that they were chained up for the final judgement. Then you go to verse 7. You have sodom and gamorrah, then the cities surrounding them all listed. the sinful act was that of sexual immorality. The punishment was that of being destroyed. As you can see, there are three separate examples given. Now, for the phrase, "they in the same manner as these ...". If you were to follow the rules of greek grammer strictly, as you should, then it doesn't follow that this phrase is referring to the cities in relation to the angels. Here's why. First, the pattern I mentioned above. The pattern is that a group is mentioned, their sin is listed, their punishment, and the author goes on to the next group. Now what is important is that the author doesn't refer to the group of the previous verse specifically. If he did, then the people of egypt would have been referred to in one form or another in verse 6 as well. As we can see, they are not. Then we turn to the grammer itself. As you know, Greek doesn't follow the same rules of grammer as english, especially in matters of punctuation. Between sodom and gammorrah, all you have is "kai" or "and" in english. there is no other punctuation. However, between Sodom and Gammorah, and the "cities around them", there is punctuation, a coma. This is significant because it separates the two groups, and this separation follows throughout the rest of the verse. Then you have the nature of "toutos" or "these" in english, and the usages in contrasts and comparrisons. "Toutos" will usually refer to one of the groups previously identified earlier, and in matters of comparrison and contrast, there will usually be groups identified. This phrase is a comparrison. We also have two groups in the prior phrase being identified, and separated by punctuation. So, the true meaning of the phrase in question reads, "They (the cities around them), in the same manner as these (Sodom and Gammorrah)...". So, as you can see, the grammer doesn't follow. Jesusman |
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191 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 30971 | ||
Job was among those who were gathered before God. Not neccessarily among God and Satan as they talked about him. I say that Job was among those who were gathered because first he becomes the immediate topic of the conversation between God and Satan. That supports the idea that he was within eyeshot of both God and Satan. The only place mentioned in the context is the group gathered. I also think that the group is made of human believers due to verses 1-5 of Job chapter 1. The context of these verses say that Job often had fellowships, feasts, and such for his sons. This supports the idea that human believers were gathered in worship before God. As for Jesus being higher than the angels, I know that. What's your point? Jesusman |
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192 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 30704 | ||
We believe in Jesus Christ because he actually lived. We have proof of his life, death, burial, and ressurrection. We may have faith that he is the Messiah, but that faith is not based upon a feeling, but based upon actual, physical proof. Angels are believed in because they are referenced in a book that has never been proven wrong in any capacity. People like me scare you? Well, that must mean that you are also scared of Paul, Moses, and the majority of the Biblical characters as well. Tell me, Did paul believe in God and Jesus Christ for nothing? No, he believed in Jesus because he saw a great light, was blinded, heard Jesus speaking to him, and was healed by one of Jesus' followers. Moses believed in God and followed God out of what God showed him physically. My point is this, our faith is not based upon mystical worthless feelings and whimsical goosebumps. Our Faith is based upon facts and proof. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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193 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 30700 | ||
Ok? Look at the context again. Beginning with Verse 1, you have the author talking about men, the Lineage of Cain, multiplying on the earth, and that they had daughters. The Sons of God (the Line of Seth) saw that the Daughters of the Line of Cain were beautiful and married them. Because God didn't like this union, he limited the life span to 120 years. Now, to give a time reference, the niphillim are mentioned as being in existance during this time, when the lines of Cain and Seth fused into one line. The children of this union became Mighty men of old and Men of renown. The Niphillim have nothing to do with being the offspring of this union. Angels have nothing to do with it either. Now for the verses you cited. 2 Peter 2:4 just says that Angels left heaven. Which is already known. According to one of the prophets. Satan rebelled, took a third of the angels with him, and God kicked them out. This passage never says anything about angels taking human form and having sex with humans. Jude 1:6-7 I've been waiting for someone to bring this one up. Again, the context isn't looked at closely. The whole context of Jude is about those who have disobeyed God. Verse 7 points out NOT that angels went after strange flesh, but the point is that the angels who disobeyed are going to made examples of just like Sodom and Gamorrah were made examples of. The phrase referring to indulging in strange flesh and gross immorality is talking about Sodom and Gamorrah, NOT the Angels. The reference was only given to remind the readers why Sodom and Gamorrah were destroyed. All that is pertinant to the Angels who rebelled is that they left heaven, and will be punished and made examples of, which is already known in the prophetic passages. It doesn't say anything about angels having sex with humans. John 8:44 merely presents to us who Satan truly is. Genesis 3:24 This talks about the Cherubim who was sent to protect the tree of Life. According to the context, this could be the only Cherubim ever known. On top of that, CHerubims aren't referenced to until the creation of the Ark of the Covenant and Until Daniel. Job 1:6 Again, Angels are mentioned by name. In fact, if you read verses 1-5 of Job 1, you get a totally different picture. That passage talks about feasts, festivals, and worship gatherings. That seems to support my suggestion that the "Sons of God" in verse 6 are humans engaging in the worship of God. I'm sorry, but when you look at these passages in their proper context, the idea that Angels married human females not only sounds rediculous, but is unscriptural as well. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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194 | Who is the meaning of the name Adam? | Genesis | Jesusman | 30468 | ||
Actually, "Messiahadam" would mean "Anointed one of God man". Sort of. :) "Yeshoaadam" would be more accurate, in hebrew. I think ... :) In Greek, it would be "Iesusanthropos" or "Iesusaner". Depending of course if you wanted to go with the Second declension Noun form of "Man" of the Third Declension Noun form of "Man". Then again you could write it as "anthropos Iesou" or "aner Iesou" both meaning "Man of Jesus", and of course depending upon which declension you preferred for "Man". I'd better stop. I could go on and on. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman/ Messiahadam / Yeshoaadam/ Iesusanthropos/ Iesusaner/ anthropos Iesou/ aner Iesou/ or whatever! :-) |
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195 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 30467 | ||
Amen, Brother. Amen! Jesusman |
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196 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Jesusman | 30466 | ||
Let me get this straight. You're saying that our good works keep us in Salvation. Correct? However, Our Good Works are not to keep us saved, but to prove to others that we are saved. "By their fruits you shall know them, ..." Matthew 7:20. "For it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure." Philippeans 2:13 Paul says in the following verse that you referenced that it is God who is working within you. Also, our works not only prove our salvation, but it is the logical cource of action for those dead to Sins, look at Romans 6:1-23. It clearly teaches that we are dead to sin, and that as new creatures in Christ, we are to act as Christ did. In fact, Romans 6 proves fully that works don't save you, that grace through faith saves you, and that works are the natural course of Action for the saved. Jesusman |
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197 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Jesusman | 30455 | ||
For by Grace are you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of Works, that no one should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 YOU DON'T WORK FOR YOUR SALVATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesusman |
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198 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 30454 | ||
Thanks for the comments, Nolan. This is a real problem for me. I am one who cannot accept anything without solid proof behind it. I even put John Calvin and Calvinism to the test once. I came to the conclusion that if Calvin had the Alexandrian texts, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and other recently found manuscripts, his doctrinal teachings would've been different. But that's another topic I wish not to go into further discussion about. Jesusman |
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199 | Are the "sons of God" pre-Fall children? | Gen 6:2 | Jesusman | 30452 | ||
All it says is that angels were punished for sinning. It says nothing about them having relations with human females. Besides, there are references supporting that Satan and other angels rebelled against God. Jesusman |
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200 | Are the "sons of God" pre-Fall children? | Gen 6:2 | Jesusman | 30451 | ||
Hey Nolan, To add to your point, concider that nowhere in Scripture is there a solid reference calling Angels "sons of God". In fact, Hebrews 1:5 goes against it. Hebrews 1:5 "For to which of the angels did HE ever say, 'Thou art My Son, Today I have begotten thee'? And again, 'I will be a father to him and he shall be a son to me'?" It's clear that Angels are not "Sons of God". Jesusman |
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