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161 | New life? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 50639 | ||
"I still believe if a person prayes to make Christ Lord with no chance of being baptized and dies, say while in the hospital, that person would be saved. However, any person who refuses to be baptized by immerson has a fatal flaw in their faith. I hope this does not confuse you". Believe me I'll never be confused about a bible subject such as this, I love talking about God's word, and I try daily to live by it. But about your last statement, that's not a biblical concept, although I heard it before, no one in the new testament other said anything like that! You must show scripture for that belief! |
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162 | Can God save us the way HE WANTS TOO? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 50642 | ||
Joe! I see you stopped at vs.18 in Gal 3, if you would have kept reading you would get all of what Paul was saying, vs. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. This is God's promise to us! I am so glad that this thing about baptism is not a mistery to me, and I am glad that I'm a baptized Holy Spirit filled man of God. 'Praise the Lord'. We need to teach what the bible says, all of it. This would not be an issue if Jesus had not said it. Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it! | ||||||
163 | Luke 7:29-30? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 50643 | ||
Steve! There is no contradiction here, Col 2:12 can help you see the point you bring up in your statement here "one would have to say that water and Spirit baptisms are synonomous and/or instantaneous at the time of immersion". In Col 2:12 Paul says that God operates at the time of immersion through faith! vs. 13 also said He hath quickened us together with him, (CHRIST)! | ||||||
164 | Luke 7:29-30? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 50759 | ||
If you understood Holy Spirit baptism, you wouldn't speak another word! Holy Spirit baptism happened only two times in the book of Acts, chapters 2,10 and no other place! But let you tell it, it happen all over the bible! When the light shines darkness will flee! | ||||||
165 | Luke 7:29-30? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 50984 | ||
Two time without the laying on of hand's is what I'm refering to. That's Holy Spirit baptism! | ||||||
166 | Luke 7:29-30? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51015 | ||
God is the one who allowed the apostles to lay hands on people to recieve the Holy Spirit, the reciever had no power to lay hands on anyone else. Without laying on of hands happened only twice, the day of Pentecost,and the house of Cornelius! The house of Cornelius is when the gentiles recieved the grace of God. Today no one has that power! And those who teach other wise are wrong in doing so. |
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167 | Luke 7:29-30? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51148 | ||
ACTS 2:3,4; 10:44 THESE VERSES SHOW THERE WERE NO LAYING ON OF HANDS, ALL OF THE OTHER VERSES THAT DEAL WITH SOMEONE RECIEVING THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS DONE BY THE LAYING ON OF THE APOSTLES HANDS! | ||||||
168 | Holy Spirit evidence of Salvation? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51489 | ||
2. As noted in the conclusion, this naturally raises a few questions... a. Does this mean the baptism of the Holy Spirit is for us today? b. What exactly is the baptism of the Holy Spirit? 3. It may be of interest to note... a. The Scriptures never speak of the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit 1) In fact, the unity of the Spirit involves only "one baptism" - Ep 4:3-6 2) The "one baptism" can only be that commanded by Christ: a) Of everyone in all the world - Mt 28:19; Mk 16:16 b) For the remission of sins - Ac 2:38; 22:16 c) A baptism in water - e.g., Ac 8:35-38; 10:47-48 d) A washing of regeneration and renewing by the Spirit, in which we are born again of water and the Spirit - Ti 3:5; Jn 3:5 b. When it comes to any "baptism" involving the Spirit, we find only these phrases: 1) "He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit" - Mt 3:11; Mk 1:8; Lk 3:16 2) "He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit" - Jn 1:33 3) "You shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit" - Ac 1:5; 11:16 -- This is the entirety of what the Bible says about "baptizing" involving the Spirit, with the possible exception of 1 Co 12:13 (see below) 4. Is this a distinction without a difference? Perhaps, but it may avoid confusion to remember... a. The phrase, "baptism of the Holy Spirit," does not occur in the Bible! b. On the other hand, phrases connected to the promise of Jesus baptizing with the Spirit include: 1) "I send the Promise of My Father upon you..." - Lk 24:49 2) "I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh..." - Ac 2:17 3) "I will pour out My Spirit" - Ac 2:18 4) "He poured out this..." - Ac 2:33 5) "the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out..." - Ac 10:45 6) "...the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly" - Ti 3:5,6 -- Whatever the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit, it is intertwined with the "pouring out" (or sending) of the Spirit that occurred on the day of Pentecost [The difficulty in defining the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit can be illustrated by briefly surveying...] I. COMMON VIEWS OF THE "BAPTISM" A. AN EVENT THAT OCCURRED BUT A FEW TIMES... 1. On the day of Pentecost (Ac 2) a. And only upon the apostles b. For the purpose of equipping them for their work 2. At the conversion of Cornelius and his household, the first Gentiles (Ac 10,11) a. Not for the purpose of saving them b. But to show Peter and the Jews that Gentiles could now be saved 3. Some would add a third occurrence a. Involving Saul at some point (Ac 9) b. To equip him for his work as an apostle 4. Others might include what happened in Samaria and Ephesus a. When the Samaritans received the Spirit by the laying on of hands (Ac 8) b. When the Ephesians received the Spirit by the laying on of hands (Ac 19) 5. This view equates the "baptism" of the Spirit with the miraculous manifestations recorded in the passages cited, indicating an overwhelming measure of the Spirit -- Variations of this view are held by most people in churches of Christ today B. AN EVENT THAT OCCURS AT EVERY CONVERSION... 1. When a person is saved, they are that moment "baptized" with the Holy Spirit a. Some put this at the point of faith 1) Appealing to the case of Cornelius and his family in Ac 10 2) Yet Peter's explanation reveals that the Spirit came upon them before they heard the words by which they could be saved - Ac 11:14-15 3) The purpose was to show Peter and the Jews that Gentiles could now be saved just as they were - cf. Ac 10:46-48; 11:16-17; 15:7-9 b. Others place it at the point of water baptism 1) Suggesting we are baptized in both water and Spirit - cf. Jn 3:5 2) Referring also to the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Spirit - Ti 3:5 2. The key passage used to support this idea is 1 Co 12:13 |
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169 | Holy Spirit evidence of Salvation? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51507 | ||
They 'repented' at the preaching of Peter and received the 'gift of the Holy Spirit', which are the plural phrases connected together grammatically in Acts 2:38. Then, and only then, each one was baptized, in accordance with the singular command of Acts 2:38. I noticed that you want to invoke the clause, (and) for your above point, but not with Mark 16:16. Then you try to bring out what you call (simply wrong) understanding of Acts 2:38 and Acts 10:45 as if there is a contradiction, but the is no contradiction in either text, because what can be said of both text is that, they heard the word of God, they believed it, they repented, and we can see that by thier willingness to be baptized in the name of the Lord, now all of these elements are in the text, and cannot be denied. You want to place salvation at the point of belief, James 2:19 says, Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. vs.20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? vs. 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? vs.22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and (by works was faith made perfect)? vs. And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness; and he was called the Friend of God. vs.24 Ye see then how that by works a man is (justified), and not by (faith only). You talked about (contradiction) your whole belief system falls apart when James speaks to your heart! |
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170 | Holy Spirit evidence of Salvation? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51514 | ||
"The difficulty seems to be with how "justified" is used in James 2:21. There is more than one definition for this word". Here we go again, So James didn't know what he was talking about right! James states that Abrahams faith was (MADE PERFECT), who made it perfect (GOD)! |
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171 | Holy Spirit evidence of Salvation? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51523 | ||
Here again you say who's wrong and who's right! The bible is right! When Paul recounts his conversion He states Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. What are we to do with this plain statement of scripture. GET MY POINT, CLEAR! Do you believe that Paul is speaking of water baptism, when he speaking of works? I notice in listening to what you were saying about faith only, and how you use the latter part of Mark 16:16 you say that baptism is not mentioned in the text, well baptism in water is not mentioned the text you are refering to no where. So how do you come to such conclusions on the subject of baptism in water? When we look at Romans 3,4,5,6 we must tie all of it together to understand what is being conveyed to the reader, Romans 6:1-9 Paul in verse 3,4,5 gives us good information on baptism and what it does for us, let me stop here and ask you a question once again, did water baptism come from God or is this some man made doctrine? |
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172 | Holy Spirit evidence of Salvation? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51528 | ||
Let's look at the word 'works' Abraham believed What God said, am I right? So nothing he could do for himself could save him true? Just believe what God said, right? | ||||||
173 | Holy Spirit evidence of Salvation? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51804 | ||
My dear friend Hank, It is Jesus who came to saved men from sin. It is Jesus who say He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. It is Jesus who is the mediator of the new covenant that tells men what to do to be saved. All you and your friends have to do is listen and obey the word of Jesus. You try to tell us that baptism is a work, and you include it in the words that the apostle Paul spoke to the churches, but there is not one scripture that support your view on baptism being a work. The Holy Spirit gave Paul the words to tell us, he would not over ride the words of Jesus, because Jesus is the one who sent him. When you read the words in Mark 16:16 it reads the same every time, It will not change for you or nobody else. You and your friends talk about contraditions, when you try to make baptism in water, a work of the flesh you make it like something sinful, but it is the very thing that Jesus tells men to do to be saved, and it can't be denied. If Jesus had not spoken these words there would be no issue. But Mark 16:16 is here to stay! Maybe you need to here the words of Mary in John 2:5 ..."Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it". Jesus said in John 3:5 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Notice the connection with water and of the Spirit, but of corse to you it doesn't mean water baptism, but if you read to the end of the chapter that's what was going on! You can dismiss what Jesus tells us to do, but I will never dismiss what Jesus says. |
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174 | Holy Spirit evidence of Salvation? | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51808 | ||
Tim, The thing to remember is, the Holy Spirit was speaking through Ananias, these are the words of the Holy Spirit! Your commentary cannot change God's word, and if Saul was already saved as your commentary says, didn't the Holy Spirit already know it? And why would the Holy Spirit tell Saul to do what was already done? That doesn't make sense at all. God knows more than we do on this issue, we need to trust him and his word. "arise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord" is real, believe it and teach it. This is something that you can't get out of! | ||||||
175 | What is baptism in water from Jesus's po | Acts 2:38 | Grace and Truth | 51820 | ||
Is this what the bible teaches? If so, where? | ||||||
176 | If time was an issue for the people of t | Acts 2:41 | Grace and Truth | 52510 | ||
If time was an issue for the people of today, it wasn't on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. For them to baptize three thousand people in one day shows us the importants of doing things exactly like the Lord commanded in the great commission, Matt 28:18-19; Mark 16:15-16, some people today make light of being baptized into Christ, but you would never have found that attitude in the first century believers, they heard Peter loud and clear when he answered their question, men and bretheren what shall we (do)? Peter said, Repent, and be baptized every one to you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. In vs. 41 They responded to the preaching of Peter's answer, all three thousand of them. Question, did anyone say hey wait a mintue here I thought we are saved by faith only? Why do I have to wait in line to be baptized? Can't I just put this off for some other time? Or did someone have to have somebody interpret what Peter is saying to us? The bible says they gladly received what Peter said, and were baptized for the remission of their sins! And notice this also, the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. What did the Lord do to baptized believers? Added them to the church! Who's adding you? |
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177 | Is baptism necessary for salvation? | Acts 10:48 | Grace and Truth | 53895 | ||
691 what is baptism Answer Bible general kalos Wed 12/12/01, 7:01pm Is baptism needed for salvation? Part One Is baptism necessary for salvation? "No. Let's examine what the Scriptures teach on this issue: "First, it is quite clear from such passages as Acts 15 and Romans 4 that no external act is necessary for salvation. Salvation is by divine grace through faith alone (Romans 3:22, 24, 25, 26, 28, 30; 4:5; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 3:9, etc.). (NONE OF THESE PASSAGES EXCLUDES WATER BAPTISM) "If baptism were necessary for salvation, we would expect to find it stressed whenever the gospel is presented in Scripture. That is not the case, however. Peter mentioned baptism in his sermon on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:38). However, in his sermon from Solomon's portico in the Temple (Acts 3:12-26), Peter makes no reference to baptism, but links forgiveness of sin to repentance (3:19). If baptism is necessary for the forgiveness of sin, why didn't Peter say so in Acts 3? "Paul never made baptism any part of his gospel presentations. In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul gives a concise summary of the gospel message he preached. There is no mention of baptism. (BUT COMPARE 1COR.15:1-4 WITH ROMANS 6:3-5 AND YOU WILL SEE THE PARALLEL, DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION!) ALONG WITH JOHN 3:3-5 BEING BORN AGAIN! In 1 Corinthians 1:17, Paul states that "Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel," thus clearly differentiating the gospel from baptism. (NO ONE WAS BAPTIZED BEFORE THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED, AND BESIDES PAUL HAD COMPANIONS WITH HIM TO TAKE CARE OF THAT MATTER). (THIS STATE WAS MADE FOR A REASON, SEE 1 COR.1:15, AND YOU CAN BE SURE OF THIS, THAT ALL OF THE CORINTHIANS HAD BEEN BAPTIZED FOR THE REMISSION OF THEIR SINS)! "Perhaps the most convincing refutation of the view that baptism is necessary for salvation are those who were saved apart from baptism. We have no record of the apostles' being baptized, (NOT TURE JOHN 4:1-2)! yet Jesus pronounced them clean of their sins (John 15:3--note that the Word of God, (JOHN 3:5 SAYS YOU'RE WRONG) not baptism, is what cleansed them). The penitent woman (Luke 7:37-50), the paralytic man (Matthew 9:2), and the publican (Luke 18:13-14) also experienced forgiveness of sins apart from baptism. (THESE CANNOT HELP YOU, HEB 9:15-17). "The Bible also gives us an example of people who were saved before being baptized. In Acts 10:44-48, Cornelius and those with him were converted through Peter's message. That they were saved before being baptized is evident from their reception of the Holy Spirit (v. 44) and the gifts of the Spirit (v. 46) before their baptism. Indeed, it is the fact that they had received the Holy Spirit (and hence were saved) that led Peter to baptize them (cf. v. 47). (I BELIEVE THAT BEING BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS IS WHAT CONFIRMED THEIR SALVATION NOT JUST THE HOLY SPIRIT, VS.48). "In other words, we must compare Scripture with Scripture in order to understand its full and proper sense. "However, in his sermon from Solomon's portico in the Temple (Acts 3:12-26), Peter makes no reference to baptism, but links forgiveness of sin to repentance (3:19). Just because it's not mentioned, does not mean it's not necessary, look at Acts 8:26 Philip didn't mention baptism, but the eunuch did, so what does that tell you? You boldly say that water baptism is not necessary for salvation, 2 Tim 2:15 tells us to handle God's word right. If water baptism is from God then it's for salvation Matt 21:25, you need to answer the question in the above text before you speak. Then when water baptism is done in the NAME OF JESUS FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, IT'S FOR SALVATION. Acts 4:12. Many of you look to the theif on the cross to try and verify your points about baptism not being necessary, but you present a big problem for yourself and others. Here's THREE POINTS TO CONSIDER! 1. The theif was able to look Jesus in the eye and speak face to face and we are not! Matt 9:6 2. The theif was forgiven before the death of Jesus, before the covenant was in effect. Heb 9:15-17. 3. Our salvation is based on the death, burial,resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ, and the theif's was not! Those who use this event to prove that baptism is not necessary for salvation are WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! YES, "LOOPS AND HOOPS" OF GOD'S WORD. IF JESUS COMMANDED IT, YOU MUST DO IT TO BE SAVED!!!! DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU THAT BAPTISM IN WATER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION, ONLY LET THE BIBLE TELL YOU. ACTS 4:12 NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER: FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED. WATER BAPTISM IN THE NAME OF JESUS FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, (MUST BE DONE THROUGH FAITH) LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE TO BE SAVED. YES, BY FAITH IT REMOVES SINS FROM YOUR LIVES! |
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178 | Is baptism necessary for salvation? | Acts 10:48 | Grace and Truth | 53915 | ||
I'm not yelling, just making a point, we can't send posts in bold writing to emphasize important things about salvation, which things many do not want to disguss anymore, but yet the gospel is to be preached so that men may be saved. | ||||||
179 | Is baptism necessary for salvation? | Acts 10:48 | Grace and Truth | 53916 | ||
Is that nice HANK! I said nothing of your John Smythe soup! |
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180 | Is baptism necessary for salvation? | Acts 10:48 | Grace and Truth | 53917 | ||
Before I sign on to this forum you talked about baptism over and over, I believe it's important so why not talk about this vital subject? One thing for sure, If none of us bring the subject up again, someone else will. |
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