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141 | once saved always saved? | 2 Tim 4:18 | Country Girl | 129074 | ||
I would emphasize John's picture from 1 John depicting christians staying in the fellowship of light from God. You might notice that it's paramount to maintain a proper relationship with all of God's children (fellow christians) in order to keep a good, intact relationship with God. This is very clear from John's writing. The most important point from 1 John applicable to this thread is that of staying within the fellowship of God, represented by light. We could compare this to a common credit account with one of our many creditors throughout America. As long as we maintain a good history record of making regular payments, our credit is good and we're able to enjoy the benefits, including the purchasing power and maybe even a slight bit of prestige when the credit limit is high or the history record is good and long enough. Now in comparison, God bought us back from the devil as our souls were forfeited with all our sins to a hopeless eternal Hell with Satan's angels. He bought us with the most expensive commodity immaginable, His very own son's blood. So now we're in debt to Him, a debt we could NEVER even hope to pay back. So we're obligated to Him to obey Him and comply with all His commands and examples as cited His Holy Word. Now of course, our God is absolutely Perfect and cannot allow sin in His presence including our hopelessly sinful beings...unless we're covered by His Son's blood, thus our need for salvation in accordance with His Son's Last Will and Testament. Now being saved doesn't do away with the sin in our lives so in that respect we're still no different from the most vile sinner on earth. The big, most important difference between these two different groups of sinners is whether or not they're saved, having the blood of Jesus to cover their sins. With that relationship intact with both our God and our fellow christians, then we can look forward to the benefits of coverage by our God even when we're "caught off guard" and die suddenly. As long as we've establish a regular habit of repenting regularly of the sins of commission and omission, we're good to go. That's what the Grace of God is really all about. As long as God knows in our hearts, He's King of our lives and His Grace is continuously active in our lives. Other benefits includes the Holy Spirit's assitance in avoiding the sins in our lives, especially as we mature in Spirit with God and learn to spend more and more of our time with our fellow christians. So in a sense, yes God forgives us over and over again because we are primarily human and are very vulnerable to the temptations of Satan. So we should see ourselves in need of our Lord's assistance in this area. We must never think of this process as earning our way to Heaven. Now, there are certain responsibilities (as you mentioned) like bearing one another's burdens, restoring our brethren. Again, these actions should be looked at as weak feeble attempts to pay our Lord for the debt we owe him. I hope this clarifys a little. Country Girl |
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142 | Human Power? | John 15:5 | Country Girl | 129001 | ||
Quoted for context: 1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. There's a slight difference between the folks cited by John and those in Jesus' letter to the Laodiceans. Basically, it boils down to the hypocresy as described by Jesus. The church there was trying to stay popular with the world and yet be in Christ's army against sin. Whereas John was apparently talking about people who had already clearly shown their alligence to the devil as being called part of the antichrist is pretty strong language. But like I stated before and Christ stated as much about the Laodiceans. On Judgment Day, there will be two groups, those decidedly and emphatically in Christ's body and all others in the other group. So to be lukewarm is very, very dangerous ground indeed. That's been my point all along. When it comes to major principles and truths in God's Word, we cannot afford to be wishy washy and take a chance with vauge scriptures on a particular topic when there are other scriptures on that same topic that clearly dictate one way, the Lord's Way. Blessings to you, dear friend. Country Girl |
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143 | once saved always saved? | 2 Tim 4:18 | Country Girl | 128999 | ||
Quoted from Hank's post: And unfortunately the doctrine of the eternal security of the believer (perseverance of the saints) is misunderstood by a number of sincere and well-meaning Christians (and non-believers too), who take it to mean no less than having a license to continue to live a life of sin and get away with it. Hank's Post was a bit much to swallow because of its size and no chunking into paragraphs but I think the quote above is that to which I was referring. HOWEVER, just to be clear, what I'm really saying is: IF the OSAS concept is actually taught and endorsed by the Bible, then why does God spend so much time in that same Bible about christians repenting after becoming a christin? You do realize of course that the whole NT was written to christians about christians but was also written for the benefit of those who might want to become a christians, right? For example, even the Gospels were written after Jesus death and resurrection so that when Jesus said "I will build my church," the church had not been built at the time of his speaking so the Apostles were writing from a historical viewpoint. Anyway, I hope this is clear and blessings to you. Country Girl |
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144 | Human Power? | John 15:5 | Country Girl | 128995 | ||
I'd like to think I could recall several examples but at the moment with my being so tired, I can only recall the one cited below. In Acts 8, we see Simon the sorcerer become a christian and of course this is after he has repented and apparently is trying to turn his life around but he blunders very badly by lusting after the miraculous powers as displayed by Peter. Peter of course rebukes him rather harshly but I guess that's just my weaker side coming out of me. But the conclusion is that all of us start out as "babes in Christ" upon first being converted to God's family. And like all babes, our condition is fragile, that is our faith is young and immature. We're prone to make mistakes in judgments, where to go and with whom to associate. Paul teaches that the stronger, more mature brethren should watch out for the younger christian amongst them so as to not lead them astray. For example, we all know about Paul's admonition not to eat meat that had been offered to idols in front of a newly converted christian that's just come out of that practice, that is offering meat sacrifices to idols. So you see, it's a matter of drawing the proper conclusion from God's Word and using our common sense. But thank you for taking a new and objective look at my post. It does give me "pause for the cause." Blessings to you, my dear friend. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to come knocking. Country Girl |
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145 | Human Power? | John 15:5 | Country Girl | 128962 | ||
I sincerely apologize as I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. The main point of my quoting from that particular passage was also to point out that with God, we can't take the middle ground or staddle the fence on the major issues in the Bible. Our Lord and Savior expects us as His children to study ALL of His Words on a particular topic and draw the proper conclusion considering His intent behind all of it. We also must include the words of His official representatives, the writers throughout the NT. I really thought you were coming down on the Pro side of this Eternal Security issue. As I've stated several times, our salvation individually is an incredibly fragile thing, something we have to work at with much diligence. God of course never waivers or moves in this process as He is the most constant Being in the whole universe. We humans on the other hand are very fickle and moody. We'll say we love our life long spouse at one point and seconds later we'll confess we love our favorite ice cream. At any rate, God certainly does want a life-long relationship with all of us but I believe He also gives all of us complete and total freedom to choose a life with Him or without Him. He also gives complete freedom to change our minds afterwards, just as He did with Sodom, Gomorrah and Ninevah before destroying them. Notice Ninevah repented and changed their ways for a little while at the preaching of Jonah. But according to Nahum, they soon went back to their evil ways and God did such a complete destruction of their whole country, that we didn't even know they existed outside of the Bible until a 100 years ago. Again, I apologize to you. Remember "to err is human, forgive is divine." Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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146 | The New Birth - A Survey | NT general Archive 1 | Country Girl | 128957 | ||
Since repentance is an action of reversing our attitude and lifestyle so that we determine to live a life patterned after our Lord, that would have to be an active role on our part. Of course I believe that we have to repent of our sins on a daily basis, at least those days we're above ground. Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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147 | Random Acts of Kindness (Part II) | Not Specified | Country Girl | 128953 | ||
Random Acts of Kindness (Part II) Six years went by before she got another note from Teddy. He then wrote that he had finished high school, third in his class, and she was still the best teacher he ever had in life. Four years after that, she got another letter, saying that while things had been tough at times, he'd stayed in school, had stuck with it, and would soon graduate from college with the highest of honors. He assured Mrs Thompson that she was still the best and favorite teacher he had ever had in his whole life. Then four more years passed and yet another letter came. This time he explained that after he got his bachelor's degree, he decided to go a little further. The letter explained that she was still the best and favorite teacher he ever had. But now his name was a little longer.... the letter was signed, Theodore F. Stoddard, MD The story does not end there. You see, there was yet another letter that Spring. Teddy said he had met this girl and was going to be married. He explained that his father had died a couple of years ago and he was wondering if Mrs Thompson might agree to sit at the wedding in the place that was usually reserved for the mother of the groom. Of course, Mrs Thompson did. And guess what? She wore that bracelet, the one with several rhinestones missing. Moreover, she made sure she was wearing the perfume that Teddy remembered his mother wearing on their last Christmas together. They hugged each other, and Dr Stoddard whispered in Mrs Thompson's ear, "Thank you Mrs Thompson for believing in me. Thank you so much for making me feel important and showing me that I could make a difference." Mrs Thompson, with tears in her eyes, whispered back. She said, "Teddy, you have it all wrong. You were the one who taught me that I could make a difference. I didn't know how to teach until I met you! ." (For those of you who don't know, Teddy Stoddard is the Dr at Iowa Methodist in Des Moines that has the Stoddard Cancer Wing.) Warm someone's heart today. . . pass this along. I love this story so very much, I cry every time I read it. Just try to make a difference in someone's life today? tomorrow? just "do it". Random acts of kindness, I think they call it? End of Article Can't add a single word. Blessings to you all. Country Girl |
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148 | Random Acts of Kindness (Part II) | Bible general Archive 2 | Country Girl | 129024 | ||
Random Acts of Kindness (Part II) Six years went by before she got another note from Teddy. He then wrote that he had finished high school, third in his class, and she was still the best teacher he ever had in life. Four years after that, she got another letter, saying that while things had been tough at times, he'd stayed in school, had stuck with it, and would soon graduate from college with the highest of honors. He assured Mrs Thompson that she was still the best and favorite teacher he had ever had in his whole life. Then four more years passed and yet another letter came. This time he explained that after he got his bachelor's degree, he decided to go a little further. The letter explained that she was still the best and favorite teacher he ever had. But now his name was a little longer.... the letter was signed, Theodore F. Stoddard, MD The story does not end there. You see, there was yet another letter that Spring. Teddy said he had met this girl and was going to be married. He explained that his father had died a couple of years ago and he was wondering if Mrs Thompson might agree to sit at the wedding in the place that was usually reserved for the mother of the groom. Of course, Mrs Thompson did. And guess what? She wore that bracelet, the one with several rhinestones missing. Moreover, she made sure she was wearing the perfume that Teddy remembered his mother wearing on their last Christmas together. They hugged each other, and Dr Stoddard whispered in Mrs Thompson's ear, "Thank you Mrs Thompson for believing in me. Thank you so much for making me feel important and showing me that I could make a difference." Mrs Thompson, with tears in her eyes, whispered back. She said, "Teddy, you have it all wrong. You were the one who taught me that I could make a difference. I didn't know how to teach until I met you! ." (For those of you who don't know, Teddy Stoddard is the Dr at Iowa Methodist in Des Moines that has the Stoddard Cancer Wing.) Warm someone's heart today. . . pass this along. I love this story so very much, I cry every time I read it. Just try to make a difference in someone's life today? tomorrow? just "do it". Random acts of kindness, I think they call it? End of Article Can't add a single word. Blessings to you all. Country Girl |
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149 | Random Acts of Kindness | Not Specified | Country Girl | 128952 | ||
Recently I've posted a couple statements discussing acts of kindness or items of work for our Lord and thought this article certainly qualifies. The BIG bonus is...it's a true story. Sorry had to subdivide it. Random Acts of Kindness (Part 1) As she stood in front of her 5th grade class on the very first day of school, she told the children an untruth. Like most teachers, she looked at her students and said that she loved them all the same. However, that was impossible, because there in the front row, slumped in his seat, was a little boy named Teddy Stoddard. Mrs Jean Thompson had watched Teddy the year before and noticed that he did not play well with the other children, that his clothes were messy and that he constantly needed a bath. In addition, Teddy could be unpleasant. It got to the point where Mrs Thompson would actually take delight in marking his papers with a broad red pen, making bold X's and then putting a big "F" at the top of his papers. At the school where Mrs Thompson taught, she was required to review each child's past records and she put Teddy's off until last. However, when she reviewed his file, she was in for a surprise. Teddy's first grade teacher wrote, "Teddy is a bright child with a ready laugh. He does his work neatly and has good manners...he is a joy to be around." His second grade teacher wrote, "Teddy is an excellent student, well liked by his classmates, but he is troubled because his mother has a terminal illness and life at home must be a struggle." His third grade teacher wrote, "His mother's death has been hard on him. He tries to do his best, but his father doesn't show much interest and his home life will soon affect him if some steps aren't taken." Teddy's fourth grade teacher wrote, "Teddy is withdrawn and doesn't show much interest in school. He doesn't have many friends and he sometimes sleeps in class." By now, Mrs Thompson realized the problem and she was ashamed of herself. She felt even worse when her students brought her Christmas presents, wrapped in beautiful ribbons and bright paper, except for Teddy's. His present was clumsily wrapped in the heavy, brown paper that he got from a grocery bag. Mrs Thompson took pains to open it in the middle of the other presents. Some of the children started to laugh when she found a rhinestone bracelet with some of the stones missing, and a bottle that was one-quarter full of perfume. But she stifled the children's laughter when she exclaimed how pretty the bracelet was, putting it on, and dabbing some of the perfume on her wrist. Teddy Stoddard stayed after school that day just long enough to say, "Mrs Thompson, today you smelled just like my Mom used to." After the children left, she cried for at least an hour. On that very day, she quit teaching reading, writing and arithmetic. Instead, she began to teach children. Mrs Thompson paid particular attention to Teddy. As she worked with him, his mind seemed to come alive. The more she encouraged him, the faster he responded. By the end of the year, Teddy had become one of the smartest children in the class and, despite her lie that she would love all the children the same, Teddy became one of her "teacher's pets." A year later, she found a note under her door, from Teddy, telling her that she was still the best teacher he ever had in his whole life. Please read Part II. Country Girl |
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150 | Random Acts of Kindness | Bible general Archive 2 | Country Girl | 128997 | ||
Recently I've posted a couple statements discussing acts of kindness or items of work for our Lord and thought this article certainly qualifies. The BIG bonus is...it's a true story. Sorry had to subdivide it. Random Acts of Kindness (Part 1) As she stood in front of her 5th grade class on the very first day of school, she told the children an untruth. Like most teachers, she looked at her students and said that she loved them all the same. However, that was impossible, because there in the front row, slumped in his seat, was a little boy named Teddy Stoddard. Mrs Jean Thompson had watched Teddy the year before and noticed that he did not play well with the other children, that his clothes were messy and that he constantly needed a bath. In addition, Teddy could be unpleasant. It got to the point where Mrs Thompson would actually take delight in marking his papers with a broad red pen, making bold X's and then putting a big "F" at the top of his papers. At the school where Mrs Thompson taught, she was required to review each child's past records and she put Teddy's off until last. However, when she reviewed his file, she was in for a surprise. Teddy's first grade teacher wrote, "Teddy is a bright child with a ready laugh. He does his work neatly and has good manners...he is a joy to be around." His second grade teacher wrote, "Teddy is an excellent student, well liked by his classmates, but he is troubled because his mother has a terminal illness and life at home must be a struggle." His third grade teacher wrote, "His mother's death has been hard on him. He tries to do his best, but his father doesn't show much interest and his home life will soon affect him if some steps aren't taken." Teddy's fourth grade teacher wrote, "Teddy is withdrawn and doesn't show much interest in school. He doesn't have many friends and he sometimes sleeps in class." By now, Mrs Thompson realized the problem and she was ashamed of herself. She felt even worse when her students brought her Christmas presents, wrapped in beautiful ribbons and bright paper, except for Teddy's. His present was clumsily wrapped in the heavy, brown paper that he got from a grocery bag. Mrs Thompson took pains to open it in the middle of the other presents. Some of the children started to laugh when she found a rhinestone bracelet with some of the stones missing, and a bottle that was one-quarter full of perfume. But she stifled the children's laughter when she exclaimed how pretty the bracelet was, putting it on, and dabbing some of the perfume on her wrist. Teddy Stoddard stayed after school that day just long enough to say, "Mrs Thompson, today you smelled just like my Mom used to." After the children left, she cried for at least an hour. On that very day, she quit teaching reading, writing and arithmetic. Instead, she began to teach children. Mrs Thompson paid particular attention to Teddy. As she worked with him, his mind seemed to come alive. The more she encouraged him, the faster he responded. By the end of the year, Teddy had become one of the smartest children in the class and, despite her lie that she would love all the children the same, Teddy became one of her "teacher's pets." A year later, she found a note under her door, from Teddy, telling her that she was still the best teacher he ever had in his whole life. Please read Part II. Country Girl |
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151 | The New Birth - A Survey | NT general Archive 1 | Country Girl | 128940 | ||
Since you've now re-qualified your question and left out the word "regeneraion," I would have to repeat that yes, very definitely I repented of my sins, confessed my Lord and Savior and was baptized as a teen-ager many years ago. I did all this in a very passive and submissive frame of mind so put me down as passive. Hopefully, you're going to give us the results of your survey with some numbers and/or percentages? I'm looking forward to your results...should be very interesting. Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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152 | once saved always saved? | 2 Tim 4:18 | Country Girl | 128896 | ||
There is of course another side to this argument. As Hank mentioned, it's been fairly well covered in the past on the Forum. I'd like to agree with most of what Hank has said here for indeed, none of us are going to deceive God with a false face of christianity if it's NOT motivated by real and genuine love underneath. I'd like to remind you and everyone else that we've all experienced in our lives putting our faith of some measure into a valued friend who we thought was a good person, maybe even a good faithful christian and this relationship lasted for a long time. I also know that most of us have experienced, at least at one point in our lives, extreme disappointment in seeing one of our dear friends come to a low point in their lives, curse their previous relationships with us or with God and suddenly act like they never knew God. Remember Paul's words from Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. 2Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. and Jesus words from Matt 18:15 "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that "by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.' 17And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Now my question to you: If there's no chance of this kind of thing happening to a christian as Hank is depicting, why would God spend so much time in His Word on this subject? Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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153 | Do you have to be baptized to be saved? | Rom 6:3 | Country Girl | 128894 | ||
It seems we're being just a little hasty to conclude this topic when the Bible has so much more to say about the matter. Among them: 1 Pet 3:18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand--with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him. I agree with you in that some verses in the Bible SEEM to give support to your conclusion but when one does a thorough and complete search for every verse on this subject, it appears the Bible is in conflict but we all know that can't be. So rather than take a chance or gamble on those verses that seem vague in contrast to all the others that clearly state baptism is required like that above, I would recommend an attitude of "erring on the side of caution." What does that phrase mean? When we get to Heaven after being baptized into God's family, we can then ask God and if He says "No, there was no need for you to be baptized to be a christian, that's just a confirmation after the fact." as you've stated in your post. But on the other hand, IF it is correct like I'm saying that Christ does expect us to humble ourselves and get ourselves baptized in total submission to His Last Will and Testament, then all those who approach Judgment Day without that qualification are undone and unprepared. God just might say something like "I warned you that you would be judged by My Son's Words and He told you to repent and be baptized." Given these two scenarios, emphasizing it's Judgment Day and no turning back, which side would you want to make an error? Please be assured there is a tremendous multitude of folks throughout the world who believe just this way. Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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154 | The New Birth - A Survey | NT general Archive 1 | Country Girl | 128860 | ||
I'm afraid the Lord doesn't portray salvation as being quite that simple as you depict for as Paul says 1 Cor 3:6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. 1 Cor 3:7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth. 1 Cor 3:8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor. 1 Cor 3:9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building. 1 Cor 3:10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it. 1 Cor 3:11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 1 Cor 3:12 Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 1 Cor 3:13 each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. 1 Cor 3:14 If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 1 Cor 3:15 If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. 1 Cor 3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 1 Cor 3:17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are. Correspondingly, we too as recipients of God's Gift of Salvation have our part to play. We must repent, confess and be baptized. Yes, definitely that is our active participation in this process but God's action is the most powerful and long lasting as He's the one who actually saves us and adds us to His Son's Body. Mankind would love to sum up this process in just a few words or maybe even one word but that's impossible as it wouldn't do justice to the amazing sacrifice and selfless love as exhibited by our Lord in going to the cross. I hope this is clear, at least as clear as presented by God's Word. Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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155 | Human Power? | John 15:5 | Country Girl | 128827 | ||
Thanks, I'll check it out. Blessings to you. Country Gir | ||||||
156 | Human Power? | John 15:5 | Country Girl | 128819 | ||
Quoted for reference: Rev 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this: Rev 3:15 'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. Rev 3:16 'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. Rev 3:17 'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, Rev 3:18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. Rev 3:19 'Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. Rev 3:20 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. Rev 3:21 'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. Rev 3:22 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'" Obviously, I don't have the education background you show but it seems this letter to the Laodiceans was simple and straight forward like the other six letters to the churches in Asia. Some churches were praiseworthy but most received harsh criticism from our Lord like most of us would if we were all judged today. Anyway, verse 20 is just a simple statement that our God wants to be the center of our lives as shown throughout the rest of Bibles, BUT the Lord's attitude is obvious here. He's NOT going to barge in and thrust Himself on anybody if they don't want Him in their lives. I hope this is clear. Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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157 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | Country Girl | 128817 | ||
Quoted from your post: Do you see what I am saying? The NT authors (and Jesus) were using a pesher method to make Jesus fulfill these IT ideas of the Messiah. Zechariah 9 was never intended to do this. What is a "pesher method?" Please explain. Thanks and blessings to you. Country Girl |
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158 | Human Power? | John 15:5 | Country Girl | 128816 | ||
Can you refer me to a Forum post discussing such a Biblical example of eternal security as I described in my previous statement/question? Still hoping. Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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159 | Human Power? | John 15:5 | Country Girl | 128809 | ||
Can you or Doc T show me in the Bible an example where someone established a relationship with God, lost it like King Saul and then God overpowered them and insisted on bringing him/her back into His Good Graces? Just need Book, Chapter and Verse to see this eternal security at work. Thanks. I guess I really open the challenge to anyone else on the Forum. Let's call it "Pick Up and Smear" just like we were kids. But I still pray for God's blessings on you all. Country Girl |
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160 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | Country Girl | 128806 | ||
I guess you can call me stubborn but I'm still not convinced. The people in OT times, were obsessed with the physical world. They even wanted their beloved Messiah to come and rescue them from the Roman Empire. How can you say those folks, even the faithful Jews, the ones who really did love God had a mistaken concept of what the Messiah was all about. How could they put faith in such a person? In contrast, I would say that those people did put their faith in God and just left the details to Him. But the biggest area where I disagree in this area is that of the whole world of people who have never heard the name of Christ nor have they even heard of a Bible. They've never heard the name Jehovah, God Almighty, Allah or any of the other names of the one true God as described in our Bible. True enough, this planet and its wonderful beauty does teach a person that there is a Greater Being who deserves our worship. Our inner conscience whispers to us that we know right from wrong at an early age and thus we suspect we should behave in accordance with that conscience or pay the consequences. How can you and EdB think that God is going to condemn to Hell all those who don't know Christ in spite of Paul's simple, straight forward words in Rom 2? I'm afraid it's going to take a little more convincing. But I will check with my Greek resources and friends about this "no one comes" phrase. This seeming conflict is a challenge so I'll get back to you guys. Blessings to you all. Country Girl |
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