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141 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | MJH | 211685 | ||
I'm confussed. You didn't address the question I asked. MJH |
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142 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | MJH | 211684 | ||
Hmmm, can't agree with you there. I don't see anywhere that Paul says they are "trying to please God by obeying Him." The whole issue is how one enters the covenant family. MJH |
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143 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | MJH | 211683 | ||
Nope, it's all right in there in the Bible as I quoted. MJH |
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144 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | MJH | 211677 | ||
How to do you reconcile that statement with Deut 12:32? And that verse should be the first verse of Chapter 13 which goes on to state "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, [Jesus did this] and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, [it did] . . . “ Chapter 13 describes just what you said. So if Jesus deleted 1 as you say, and added several, then we seem to have a serious problem. He would be classifies as a false prophet. Beyond that, it seems odd that any law would need to be deleted. What would the purpose be for God to change his mind about 1 or several laws? And the Mosaic Law has far more than 10 specific laws. Also, the law to love God and love thy neighbor is from the Mosaic Law which Jesus quotes, not new laws. All during the first century there has been among the sages the question, "How many laws sum up the whole of the Law?" They quote the prophets reducing the summation of the law from 613 to 10 down to 1. The last “one law” that summed up the whole was "the righteous shall live by faith." Jesus of course summed it up in the two most common in his day, and Peter and Paul summed them up to just Love. Of course one needs to ask, “What does it mean to Love?” and then you go backwards right into spelling out the Law again. In short, just because the Law can be summed up in two laws, one law, or even one word, does not mean the laws stop. (Mat 5:17-19) MJH |
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145 | Thoughts on Hegg? | John 1:1 | MJH | 211665 | ||
You are correct. I did not think that through well enough. Thanks for not answering the question. MJH |
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146 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | MJH | 211664 | ||
See my post to BradK.... I don't disagree with anything that you said. Most of it is Scripture so that is somewhat easy. If you are trying to be justified apart from Faith, then the curse of the Law (many many curses for those who disobey listed) would apply. But now there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The Galatians were not being yelled at by Paul because they had the gull to follow the Laws of God. They were being yelled at because they were accepting the idea that they needed to go through this ritual conversion in order to get saved...to be IN the group. If salvation comes through works of the law, then where is faith? It is gone, and then we are without hope. I desire to follow the Law because I love Jesus and want to obey His commandments. While not perfectly, I desire to live as he would desire, and trust in him that he paid the penalty for my transgressions. In the world to come I will be welcomed on his account. I think you're confusing me with someone who thinks you need to follow the Law in order to be saved. Nothing could be further from the truth. MJH |
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147 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | MJH | 211660 | ||
Thanks for the reply BradK, I agree 100 percent with your post. Of course, that is easy when it is Scripture. :-) 1. Rom. 8:3-4, "For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son . . ., so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." (NASB) ---- this Text makes my original post's point very well. The Law was weak "in the flesh." We WALK, not according to the flesh, but the Spirit." Jeremiah 31:32-33: "...not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law [Torah in Hebrew] within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people." (ESV) We have the Law written on the heart through the Spirit. God writes it there. We therefore walk according to God’s ways by His strength. The walk is the same walk as Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Samuel, David, Jesus (though he did it perfectly), Peter, Paul, and many many others, yourself included. Even Enoch, Noah, and Abraham walk with God according to the same Torah that wasn’t even given in its fullest yet. Even Moses walked according to it even though for him it wasn’t fully revealed until Messiah. But they all, and we all, see the Messiah who is the goal to which it all points, and therefore since we love him, we obey his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome (Matt 11:30; Deut 30:11) 2. Gal 2:16- , "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified" (NASB) --- This one is obvious regardless of how you interpret the phrase “works or the Law.” We are justified by faith. But does that mean we live like hell? I, in these posts, am not speaking of how one is saved and how one enters the Kingdom of God, but rather, how one lives within that Kingdom. There is only one Law. You already follow the vast majority of it. Jesus came to shed his blood for a new covenant, not a new Law. --- But since you mention “works of the Law”. There is a wonderful find in the Dead Sea scrolls that sheds a lot of light on this phrase. The gentiles were not “justified” (brought into the covenant people and in right relationship with God) by following some “works of the Law.” But gentiles (or Jews) also were not justified by following the Law. It’s the same faith of Abraham that justifies. Paul mentions Abraham’s faith coming before circumcision because circumcision was the means (among 2-3 other things) for a gentile to enter the covenant family according to the teachings of the Jews in that day. But Abraham’s faith also came before the Law which was given at Mt Sinai. So our teaching that faith is apart form the Law is absolutely spot on. 3. Phil 3:9- Dito above. I appreciate the dialogue. MJH |
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148 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | MJH | 211652 | ||
Steve, I wouldn't expect most here to agree. You said: "1) There was never a question of whether Gentiles could become Christians. That had been answered Acts 11:1-8." -- Tim is speaking of Rabbinic theology in the first century that existed along side the Christian movement. It's fairly well established that his statement is true in that regard based on extant sources from that date. E.P. Sanders has done extensive work in this area as has NT Wright. As for the Apostles, after Peter's vision, you are correct, and here along side with Acts 11, we see them make it clear in their ruling. Your second point I will leave to his article and his other writings. Or you can email him. I think he is quite clear on what and why he thinks the way he does. Thanks for your note. MJH |
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149 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | MJH | 211632 | ||
Doc, Tim Hegg is anything but evasive. Quite the contrary, he's very up front with what he believes and he has written a lot. No closet faith statement there :-) Anyway, we've been down this road before, but I just can't seem to let it go. Hey, I'm Dutch, it goes with the territory. Of course when you quote Scripture, I am only going to agree whole heartedly. You might even add the word MUCH before better. It is after all a MUCH better covenant! You are most certainly aware that the New Covenant is spelled out in Jeremiah. And while there are other promises which are apart of this covenant, the main one we speak of generally is the Law written on the heart. Paul speaks about it a lot. When the Spirit writes the Torah on the heart, you’re a member of the family of God, a part of the covenant assembly and assured a place in the World to Come. The Old Covenant is the Law still written on stone. Same law, different place. When something is external and not a part of you, it is simply rules and regulations. I’m guessing you’ve seen it in the churches. Members who attend, but they simply go through the motions of faith, but it isn’t there on their hearts. To them, these Christian things are simply rules to follow. Do the right things and say the right words and you’ll look spiritual. But looks are deceiving. The more you know them, the more you realize they are simply “playing by the rules.” My wife was really into the “Christian” thing. Now she is really struggling with faith. I can’t count the number of times I hear her say to me, “Oh, that’s one of those “rules” you Christians have to follow.” (This doesn’t have anything to do with Torah.) We’ve been in traditional Christian churches since we married over 12 years ago. Her beef is with these good churches. And they really are good churches despite their flaws. But right now all she sees are the flaws because she was taught the “rules.” Pray this much at these times. Read the Bible this much and volunteer that often. Smile and never admit problems or struggles, because we are Christians and we are all just fine. Oh, and those people are going to Hell to burn forever, aren’t we so much better than them.” You get the drift. The point is, even so called Christians can fail to have the Law written on their heart; love, joy, peace, etc… (My wife is struggling, but I see it as a good struggle, because on the other side is genuine faith…which see has, but when things don’t happen the way people have taught you they would, it tends to shatter false beliefs and that is always painful. God is patient.) ...so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a BETTER covenant. (Hebrews 7:22 NASB) This section of Hebrews if so fascinating when you understand why the priest needed to do what they did. and how drawing near to God in the Tabernacle occurred when God dwelt among the Israelites in the wilderness. I have absolutely fallen in love with this book. I’ve spent several months studying this book and Leviticus this past season, and find it to be truly a marvel. I’d love more than ever to teach it, but I don’t have the mastery of it quite yet. Thanks for your faithfulness to this forum. You have a gift. It would drive me nuts! MJH PS – I’m wondering why you’re opposed to following the Law. What about it is bad to do? |
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150 | Was Job written before the flood? | Job 19:25 | MJH | 211545 | ||
Job may have been written during the Babylonian captivity period. His story fits the narrative (for the remnant of Righteous Jews) and the book of Job also fits the genre of material produced in this time period. That isn't to say the story isn't factually true because it may have been written down closer to 500 BCE. This is another theory anyway. MJH |
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151 | Help! Unclean vs clean meat? | Acts | MJH | 205781 | ||
Yeah, sorry Jim...ahh John. MJH |
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152 | Help! Unclean vs clean meat? | Acts | MJH | 205779 | ||
Jim, Sorry, the note left to Doc was in context of our earlier discussion. I don't think Paul argued against the covenant made with Moses, but my statement was that when Paul did make a ruling on something, he always backed it up with earlier Scriptures primarily the book of Moses. I suppose reading my post as a stand alone; one would get your impression. Thanks for allowing me to clarify. MJH |
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153 | Help! Unclean vs clean meat? | Acts | MJH | 205774 | ||
Doc, A pleasure as always. I wish I had more time...so I will be late in responding fully. I did read the totality of the scriptures you listed. Prov. 30:6 I agree with whole heartedly and hope to always divine the Truth of God's Word. Just a note: I am not attempting to convince you, but your grasp of the Text and willingness to discuss provides a wonderful sharpening (as iron sharpens iron....) Plus, you come from the same doctrinal back ground as I in most respects. A few notes before I find the time to address your response in full: 1) I hold to the hermeneutic that later scripture can not contradict earlier scripture (of course, no Scripture can contradict any other). So if Paul is going to argue that the everlasting covenant that God made with Israel would be cancelled, he needs to go back to the books of Moses for proof. We see him doing this a lot to root his arguments in the Scriptures. 2) If God can break a covenant he made at Sinai, then what keeps him from breaking the covenant found in Jeremiah? Where lies assurance.... for every passage you can find that seems to write off Israel and the covenant, I could find 10 that say it's eternal and God would never break it. It is His faithfulness that leads us into right relationship with Him, not our own. 3) There are no covenants in the New Testament. The "New Covenant" spoken of is of course from Jer. 31 where God makes it clear he will never abandon his people Israel. It also makes it clear that the New Covenant is the commands (ie. the stipulations of the Old) written on the heart. I contend that Abraham, Moses, David, et. al. had the Law written on their hearts and were as much a part of the New Covenant as we are, only they came before the blood of that covenant was shed and we come after. 4) Our understanding of what a covenant is may be somewhat different. I hold that a covenant agreement with the stipulations it contains is unalterable. Alter any part of it and you break the whole of it. James 2:10. It would seem superfluous for God to say that He Himself can not add or subtract to the covenant. After all, He is faithful and let everyone else be a liar. 5) It is my understanding that when, in Ex 24, the people said, “We will do everything you have said.” That was the agreement, ie. the Old agreement that they broke just a few days later with the golden calf. Deut 30 is our first picture of the New agreement where it says that “it is not too hard for you . . . it is in your heart and in your mind that you may do it.” In Romans 10, Paul uses this Text and inserts Jesus into it directly connecting Him to the covenant, yet through Jesus, the Law is written on our hearts and in our minds. In fact, in this, Jesus becomes our Law (or is our Law.) No I am wondering….so until later, God bless as always MJH |
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154 | Rabbis not paid? | James 3:1 | MJH | 205630 | ||
Thomas8, I am not failure with the site, but there wasn't anything that seemed out of sorts. There are many good Torah and Jewish sites that are also believers in Jesus as the Messiah. (There are of course many bad sites too). Probably a good place to start would be http://jcstudies.com/ That is Dwight Pryor's site and he's been studying Hebrew Roots and Rabbinic Theology for a very long time. MJH |
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155 | Help! Unclean vs clean meat? | Acts | MJH | 205555 | ||
Doc, If Jesus removed a law of God he couldn't have been the Messiah. Deut 4:1-2" I am telling you everything he has commanded, so don't add anything or take anything away." Deut 12:32 "Don't add any [laws], and don't take any away." Deut 13 - the passage about a false prophet. Nullifying a Law of God is nullifying the whole thing. If Jesus is without sin, that is not possible. If Jesus is the Word in flesh, he can not nullify himself. MJH |
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156 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | MJH | 200902 | ||
Great examples Doc. They're excellent at making your point. I'm not sure if you understand that I agree with you probably completely. I know that you are not saying that, "any obedience at all to God throws out Grace." I know you're not antinomian. So, if Christians obey Law, they are not automatically trying to earn anything in the site of God. Any act of obedience done in love is a wonderful thing, I believe, and I am quite sure you do as well. God forbid anyone ever teach that our actions in relationship to any deed, law, or even doctrine can earn ourselves either salvation or a more favorable place before a Holy God. We are saved by faith alone through the Messiah Jesus alone by grace alone. MJH |
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157 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | MJH | 200861 | ||
Doc, It seems that you are a bit upset with me here. Of all the people I've discussed with here on this site over the years, none have I respected more than you. Like I mentioned to Jeff, I may not realize how my typing always comes across. You said, "But I can guarantee you won't find it in a couple of pages worth of reading." You are very correct there. So far the best article I have found is 31 pages long. That's why I've had a hard time finding good writing. Most of them are short synopsis. "Scholarship takes some intellectual sweat, I fear!" - that is an understatement. It is great when you find a person who is doing it though, or to read the writings of those who came before. It's marveling. MJH |
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158 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | MJH | 200860 | ||
Jeff, Sorry Jeff, I was sort of playing with you there (with the Roman's quotes). I know that Scripture has the answers we are looking for but not everyone reads them the same way and they were written in a specific context. Romans, of which I've studied and read, has more commentaries on it than any other book in the Bible. Honestly, I do hear what you are saying. And in part I agree. I just wasn't begging for a debate on the issue of the Law, I simply wanted to know if anyone had links to well written papers on the topic, that's all. Nothing more, nothing less. And yes, there seemingly is no end to it, but that doesn't mean I don't want to at the very least try to understand the opposing views. It is apparently possible that when one types, their words don’t always come across in the same light they meant for them to be read. If I was offensive, I apologize. God Bless too, MJH |
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159 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | MJH | 200851 | ||
Doc, These keywords are both on the ridiculous side of things. I'm looking more for the coherent arguments and systematic theologies which fall within the rational realm of Christendom. I look forward to following your earlier links! Thanks again, MJH |
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160 | What of the Law applies to me a believe? | Romans | MJH | 200850 | ||
My question wasn't "Which is the correct view?" My question was, "Are their any articles that systematically spell out a particular theologies beliefs concerning the Law and the Christian?" Not that I am not thankful, but honestly, I'm just looking for good articles. I'm not even saying which view I personally agree with. MJH |
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