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121 | Thoughts on Romans 9 | Bible general Archive 1 | benjamite | 33593 | ||
Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to at least give it a shot. From what you say, it sounds like there are a lot of interesting points. Thanks also for the link. I'll get back to you about it. Benjamite |
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122 | Thoughts on Romans 9 | Bible general Archive 1 | benjamite | 33591 | ||
Since you've only answered a couple of the verses I mentioned, let me think on Hebrews 2:9. As for 1 Timothy 2, do I understand you correctly as saying that God desires all "kings and all who are in authority to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth"? I don't see how that helps the case for limited atonement (unless one happens to be a king or someone in authority). Wasn't Nero the emperor at the time Paul wrote these words? As for 1 Timothy 4:10, I agree that there are different degrees of salvation, "saved" and "unsaved". The point is that, in his death, Christ was able to save all men (the payment is actually offered to, and is good to save, all men), (why not call this "common grace") especially of believers ("effecacious grace") because they have accepted Christ's payment. |
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123 | Thoughts on Romans 9 | Bible general Archive 1 | benjamite | 33583 | ||
Emmaus, I don't think this needs to be an "in house conversation" (meaning, as you say, "within the Reformed tradition"). Would you mind expanding on your TULIP? I mean, the words are different, but how would this "play out" differently from the TULIP of the "Reformed tradition"? Also, would you mind backing the points up? Benjamite |
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124 | Thoughts on Romans 9 | Bible general Archive 1 | benjamite | 33565 | ||
Right. (Since I consider myself a "4-pointer", I switched the "L" in TULIP to "U" for "Unlimited atonement".) I got (or paraphrased) my definitions from James White's "The Potter's Freedom". (A response to Geisler's "Chosen But Free" - these would be the two books I mentioned I read since Christmas.) I also see Biblical support for White's "6th point" - God is Free (but that wasn't the question, this time around). Back to the issue at hand, "L" Limited atonement - quoting from PF p. 40, "The intention of Christ in His cross-work was to save His people specifically. Therefore Christ's sacrifice is perfect and complete, for it actually accomplishes perfect redemption." To be honest, it sounds great, except I see too many verses which I can't harmonize with this view. Universal Propitation - I mentioned 1 John 2:2 "He is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." Universal Love - John 3:16 Universal Redemption - 2 Peter 2:1 speaks of false prophets "denying the Master who bought them". The above verses are my own thoughts, before consulting other sources. Charles Ryrie rightly asks, "Did Christ purpose...to make provision for the salvation of all people?" (Basic Theology, 318) I say He did. 1 Timothy 2:4, "(God our Savior,) who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.", v. 6, "ransom for all" Note: 2 Peter 3:9 doesn't fit this mold, because the "you" Peter is speaking to is the church. (cf. 1:1, 3:1, and 3:8) (i.e., Christ will return when His body/bride is complete - when the church is saved.) 1 Tim 4:10 "..living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers." Yes, He saves believers, but He is the Savior of all men. "All men" is not limited to the elect in this case because it is in contrast to believers. Hebrews 2:9, "...by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone." It is only after this verse that the author narrows the scope to "many sons". Acts 17:30-31, "...declaring to men that all everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in rightousness..." the call goes out to everyone. These are just a few verses. Are they enough? For now, they are for me, but I'll have to do a little digging to find more. In Him, Ben |
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125 | Thoughts on Romans 9 | Bible general Archive 1 | benjamite | 33523 | ||
Hi Curt, Fancy meeting you here. I guess we can focus our discussion on 9:11-18. Obviously this passage is true. One view is that even though God's "choice" in v. 11,17 happened before Esau and Pharaoh, it was based on God's divine foreknowledge (he knew what they would do and therefore chose on that basis). This seems an attractive position, but it would make it hard to explain v. 15-16, and 18. So you know where I am coming from, I go with the 4-point Calvinist view, as defined below. Total Depravity - Man is dead in sin, with every aspect of his being affected by the fall, unable to save himself. (Romans 3:10ff) Unconditional Election - God's choice is not based on anything man has done, but on Himself, alone. (queue Romans 9:15-16,18) Unlimited Atonement - here's where I differ from the "true Calvinists" and I cite verses like 1 John 2:2, speaking of Christ as the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. Irresistible Grace - Luke 14:23, John 6:44. "compel" them to come in. "nobody comes to me unless he is drawn by My Father" Perseverance of the Saints or Eternal Security - Philippians 1:6 - He who began a work will perfect it until the day of Christ. Romans 8:28-39 - As far as God is concerned, even our glorification is assured, and that hasn't happened yet. (I view "glorified" as being proleptic (basically defined above). This is probably more than you are looking for, but it gives any number of springboards. In Him, Ben |
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126 | info on marriage how to treat each outh | Col 3:18 | benjamite | 33452 | ||
Hi Curt, I'm up to it. At Emmaus, I did take a class in Soteriology (Salvation), and have just read through a couple books since Christmas, this year. With the understanding that there have been many Godly men who are or were on all sides of the "Predestination vs. Free Will Debate", I am comfortable where I stand on the issue. I will say this, however, a discussion like this can tend to get heated (or extremely emotional). I've seen that happen more than I care to mention. Anyone who joins the discussion must be able to "agree to disagree". Did you have any questions in mind? In Him, Ben |
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127 | TNIV: How Will It Affect Us? | Bible general Archive 1 | benjamite | 33436 | ||
Makarios, blessed one, Thanks for the link. I looked at the website and went through the "List of Translation Inaccuracies...". Also, there was quite an impressive list of opponents. (I'm not familiar with all of them, but I did recognize some Theologians and Greek scholars.) In the "List", there are many valid points. Will this list matter to the TNIV's target audience? Probably not. What are the hot items in Christian bookstores? Theology? No. Greek/Hebrew Studies? No. Commentaries? Maybe some. Max Lucado? Yes. LaHaye and Jenkins? Yes. Wilkinson? Yes. What does that say? Most of Christendom doesn't care about the deeper things. "What does verbo-plenary mean?" is not even asked, much less understood. I'm not saying that this is the way it ought to be - it isn't. It is sad, very sad. What's the problem? Is it marketing? Is it teaching? (Probably both, but it is much more convenient to market to the "uneducated masses" than it is to teach them how "huios" (son) differs from "teknon" (child).) May your blessings return upon you tenfold, Benjamite |
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128 | My question is did Solomon die in or out | 1 Kings | benjamite | 33430 | ||
We must add another verse to "muddy the water" a little. Nehemiah 13:26 says, "Did not Solomon king of Israel sin regarding these things? Yet among the many nations there was no king like him, and he was loved by his God, and God made him king over all Israel; nevertheless the foreign women caused even him to sin." God loved Solomon, despite what all Solomon did. I guess this speaks more of God's specific relationship with Solomon (instead of the other way around), but I thought it deserved mentioning. Benjamite |
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129 | TNIV: How Will It Affect Us? | Bible general Archive 1 | benjamite | 33336 | ||
As I recall, the TNIV is simply an updated NIV. Will it affect us more than the NIV? I doubt it. If anything, it will be about the same. People who like the NIV already use it. (I'm an NAS person, myself, and I just this year got the '95 update - my old Bible wore out.) To be fair, for anyone else who reads this, I've got the "old-new comparison" page open in front of me, and have gone through some of the bigger (or at least the most irritating) changes below. The more I look at it, the more I'm glad I have my NAS. They translate "huioi" (greek word translated "sons" in NAS, "old" NIV, ASV, NKJV) in Matt. 5:9 as "children" (Although the KJV says "children", the Greek word "tekna" is usu. translated as children. There is a difference. (Okay, slightly major beef with that one.) They often switch from "Christ" to "Messiah" (except where "Christ" is used as a name - Jesus Christ), since they mean the same thing. To me, it seems like a silly change (it would be much easier to switch the OT "Messiah"'s to "Christ"'s.) Grammar/Punctuation. They divide up the flow of thought and start sentences with "But". (English teachers beware!) They switch from specific to generic. "He who" to "whoever". Please, if you must change it, make it "the one who". It speaks of a specific (or specifics) one, rather than the generic "whoever". If you are asking if the controversy will cause people to steer clear of the TNIV towards something along the lines of NASB (or even NKJV). I don't know--Christendom certainly is not immune from fads. Well, there's my "2 cents worth". (Hey, considering what all you got, it's quite a bargain.) Benjamite |
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130 | info on marriage how to treat each outh | Col 3:18 | benjamite | 33259 | ||
To answer your last question. What I meant to say was that this verse (with the note attached to it) goes along with the next. I guess, also, I wanted to point out that there were three passages (at least, but three I listed) on the subject) at hand, not just the one verse. The Lord, through Paul, addresses both the husbands and the wives. (Not just the wives.) And now for the first, I agree with you on the "convenience". I do not consider it convenient to love someone else (and it doesn't have to be). To me, it seems like a heavy load to bear (like most (or could I say "each of the rest") of God's commandments). Sorry for the confusion. Benjamite |
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131 | info on marriage how to treat each outh | Col 3:18 | benjamite | 33218 | ||
I do sincerely apologize. The question asked was not tied to any specific verse. I tied it to only the first verse of the smallest of the three passages I listed. Each passage must be taken in context, however. (So, we see that Paul agrees with you, Mr. SRN) "Husbands, love your wives and do not be embittered against them." (Colossians 3:19) Eph 5:25, "Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her..." (As I also mentioned in the original note, and thanks to Mr. Curtnsally, for recalling it.) Is it really that convenient? |
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132 | info on marriage how to treat each outh | Col 3:18 | benjamite | 33173 | ||
How long of an answer would you like? Ephesians 5:22-33; (long) 1 Peter 3:1-7; (medium) Colossians 3:18-19; (short) I hope these are what you are looking for. In Him, Benjamite |
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133 | Who needs to repent? | 2 Pet 3:9 | benjamite | 33040 | ||
We could continue to argue back and forth, but unless what we say can be supported by scripture, what we say about the things of God is not right. What you have said, here, troubles me - more for your sake than for mine. I trust you've read the references I gave you. To what extent are we justified? How precious is the blood of Christ? Since you trust experience, in my experience, Romans 4:25 speaks of "He who was delivered up because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification." If we are not "justified unto perfection", if we have not been totally and completely declared righteous, then Christ is still dead, and we have no business before the throne of grace. (Hebrews 4:14-16) In my experience, Romans 5:9 says, "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him." By Christ's death, we have been justified--fully and completely declared righteous. Christ rose from the dead as proof of that, and therefore I can know Him. How do we come to know God? Whose doing is/was this? 1 Corinthians 1:21-31 How do we come to know God? How do we come to be known by God? Galatians 4:8-11 Did Paul know Christ? How? Philippians 3:7-11 What does Paul mean by Philippians 3:15-16? What does John mean in 1 John 4:13-15? How do we abide in God? Has God not given us understanding to know Him? 1 John 5:19-20 Brother Ezra, you know I've checked my Bible. I've given you scripture reference after scripture reference to support what I am trying to tell you. For now, I'm done. Feel free to have the last word here. If you'd like, feel free to email me. Benjamite |
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134 | Who needs to repent? | 2 Pet 3:9 | benjamite | 32975 | ||
Brother Ezra, It is true that we are to be holy as He is holy, (the "mark that God has set for us") (1 Peter 1:15-16). We won't reach that mark until glory (Phil 1:6). As I have said before, that is not what 2 Peter 3:9 is dealing with. However it happened, we know that Christ did not sin. He was (and still is) perfect, without spot. (1 Peter 1:18-19). As believers, in our position, we are perfect. We have been justified (declared righteous), Romans 3:23-26. Also read Romans 8:29-30. Positionally, we have been "glorified". Why do you mention Enoch? He was almost unique in that He did not die. (Gen 5:24; Heb 11:5) All others, unbelievers and believers alike, up until now, with the exception of Elijah, have died. Benjamite |
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135 | Struggling with divorce question | Matt 19:9 | benjamite | 32973 | ||
Realizing that divorce is always a sensitive issue. 1. I'd like to revisit 1 Cor. 7:11, if I may. It indicates that the one who leaves should remain unmarried. It does not apply to you. 1 Cor 7:15, you are not under bondage. 2. We must look at divorce in the light of Malachi 2:16. Divorce is wrong, as believers or not. However, in one sense, what we did as unbelievers doesn't matter. Unbelievers sin, by their very nature. 3. If you don't mind my saying so, you don't sound "convinced". If God meant for you and your current husband to be together, now, after your first marriages, neither of you would be guilty. Questions to think about, (I do not expect a response on these, nor do I ask for one.) 1. Why are you worried about it now? (after the fact) 2. Does your husband share your worries? 3. Have you prayed about it with your husband? I hope you find the answers you are looking for. May God bless, Benjamite |
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136 | How can we be more like Jesus? | 2 Cor 3:18 | benjamite | 32969 | ||
First of all, to be more like Jesus, we should steer clear of books by Max Lucado. (only kidding :-). However, to put a scripture verse to Mr. L's quote. "For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus." (Philippians 1:6) We ARE being transformed, and better still, He is changing us. (Romans 12:2 says "be transformed by the renewing of your mind", would that verse leave open the possibility that God is the one who renews our mind?) I'm not quite sure how to answer the question, or even if you intended it to be answered. Not to offend, for the question almost sounds rhetorical. On the one hand, we have been justified - "declared righteous". (Romans 3:23-26; 5:1, 8-9) On the other hand, we still sin. But, according to 1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Also from the first verses, He is still perfecting us. Do others see that we have changed? Go to your High School/Family reunions. From personal experience (for what that is worth) change doesn't happen overnight. The only way we'll know that others see that we have changed is if we ask them. (Unless they happen to bring it up.) Have we changed? Yes. How do we know? The Bible says so (from the above verses). Are we perfect yet? No, but we know that what God started, He will finish. |
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137 | Different levels or rewards in heaven | NT general Archive 1 | benjamite | 32899 | ||
I'm not sure I know the term you are looking for. However, maybe one of the verses below might help. If you are looking for different rewards, have you considered the different "victor's crowns" (stephanoi)? 1 Thes 2:19, exultation 2 Tim 4:8, righteousness James 1:12, Rev. 2:10 Life 1 Peter 5:4, Glory There are the rewards of 1 Corinthians 3:10-15, See also 2 Corinthians 5:10 If you are more interested in the "different levels" try Matthew 5:12 ("great" as opposed to something lesser) Matthew 10:15; 11:23-24; 25:14-30 or Luke 10:12; or 2 John 8 ("losing what we have accomplished" rather than receiving "a full reward". If you do come across the term. Look me up and email me. I would be interested to know, as well. In Him, Benjamite |
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138 | Who needs to repent? | 2 Pet 3:9 | benjamite | 32458 | ||
Amen. Likewise, Romans 6:1-2 says that we died to sin. How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Also Galatians 2:20 says that we have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer us, but Christ lives in us. We won't perish. Praise the Lord! |
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139 | Who needs to repent? | 2 Pet 3:9 | benjamite | 32301 | ||
I appreciate you saying that I am right, but that is not what I said. Romans 8:2, in the NASB, says "The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus HAS SET you free from the law of sin and of death." It is not a future event. It has already happened. WE ARE FREE from the law of sin and of death. God did it, Himself. Note Romans 8:3-4, "For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, GOD DID: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, HE CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." (Romans 8:3-4, NASB, emphasis mine). We still sin but we are not under the law of sin and death. We won't perish. We are free from that law. That's the point. (see also John 3:16, 10:27-28, 1 Cor 1:18). |
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140 | Why the change from "they" to "you"? | 2 Pet 3:9 | benjamite | 32197 | ||
Revelation 22:20, "Amen. Come, Lord Jesus." Benjamite |
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