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121 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193119 | ||
I decided to write a second posting about the link you provided. The author makes a small assumption that clouds his thinking. He assumes that Jesus is the same today as he was on earth. Take a closer look at Phillipians 2. In verses 7 and 8, Jesus emptied himself and made himself in the form of a bond servant .. one of the lowliest members of society. He became a man and was obedient until he died. But notice in Verse 9. It says God exalted him. It's clear that Jesus, after the death on the cross, was not the same as he was prior to the death on the cross. He was much more than he was before. That makes a tremendous difference. Jesus is not the same now as he was on earth prior to the death on the cross. He is much more, and Paul confirms it in Phillipians 2. The writter of the article you provided never mentions this passage. He says that Jesus can empathize because he "understands" temptation. If Jesus was unable to sin, then he wasn't tempted. The writer seems to forget that in order to be tempted there needs to be some hint of the capacity to give in. I can try to tempt my car night and day with playboy magazine, but my car won't give into the temptation of lust. Why? Because it is incapable of such. Hence all I did was make a fool of myself. Now I know there is a massive difference between Jesus and my car, but the premise is the same. If there is no capacity to give in to temptation, then there was no temptation to begin with. There are a couple verses he sites, like Hebrews 2:18 where the verses prior talk about what I am proposing here .. that Jesus was made to be like man with the one exception of not being born and bound to sin so that he could live a perfect and righteous life to be the perfect sacrifice for sin. Jesusman |
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122 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193135 | ||
It was Adam who sinned. Look at Genesis carefully. God told Adam not to eat. When the serpant spoke to Eve, Adam said nothing to stop it. She then "gave also to her husband ...". He was standing right there next to her. So .. Eve may have been the one spoken to, but Adam was standing right there next to her. Also notice, their eyes weren't opened when she ate, but when Adam ate. It was Adam who sinned, not Eve. Jesusman |
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123 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193136 | ||
Ok .. explain Philippians 2:7-9 for me. | ||||||
124 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193137 | ||
Explain Philippians 2:7-9 for me. | ||||||
125 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193138 | ||
You know what ... hold a moment on my previous post. I have a different question for you. Jesus is God. Jesus is omniscient as God. And Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Right? Turn to Matthew 24:36. This chapter in matthew is speaking of the second coming of christ. In this particular verse the statement is made that no one knows when the son will return. "Not the angels, nor even the son, but the Father only". Tell me .. how can God keep knowledge away from himself? How can God not know something?? Jesus is God, right?? Jesusman |
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126 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193141 | ||
The point of this is the same point that I have been trying to make this whole time. That while on earth, Jesus was not at his full glory .. his full power .. whatever you define it. Paul says so in Philippians 2. If Jesus could not know something, and still be God, then what else was limited about Jesus while he was here? | ||||||
127 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193150 | ||
Read the verse closely. "She gave also to her husband with her, and he ate." It says it right there in Genesis 3:6. He was standing right there with Her. Jesusman |
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128 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193151 | ||
The Bible teaches that Jesus was tempted in every manner as we were. How can he be tempted if he couldn't succumb to temptation? That is something I cannot simply shove off to the side and ignore. If Jesus could not in some form give into temptation, then there was no temptation. And if there was no temptation, then Hebrew 4:15 is a pure lie. Jesusman |
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129 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193155 | ||
I can either ignore this or answer it. Reguardless of how insulting the question is, I will answer it. I do not find "lies" with in the Bible. If you had honestly read the comments I made instead of jumping to conclusions, you would have realized that. There is an apparent contradiction with in this topic, and so far, I'm the only one who seems to see it. Now since there aren't any contradictions, there is something wrong with either my view point or with the counter claim. Thus far, the only person who has even attempted to make a valid argument is Wild Olive. Now .. if you seem to be "confused" about this topic so far, I will lay it out. Was Jesus capable of succumbing to temptation? The argument I lay out is that he could. Jesus was not at his full glory and majesty while on earth. Paul tells us this in Phillipians. As I have said, time and time again, in order for this to be a genuine temptation, there had to be risk of giving it. If Jesus was incapable of giving in, then there was no risk. No risk, means there was no temptation. No temptation means that Hebrews 4 is wrong. Hence .. the Contradiction I am seeing, which should not be. The counter claim is that Jesus is God, and God cannot sin, and that his omniscience means he understands temptation. I agree fully. However, the Bible also teaches that Jesus was tempted in every manner as we are tempted, yet remained "without sin". Now, CDBJ, The argument at it's base form has been laid out. If you have any .. "constructive" .. and "appropriate" questions to ask, please ask. If you intend to be a jerk again and ask insulting questions like the one you did, then keep your comments to yours. Thank you, Jesusman |
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130 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193159 | ||
The verse clearly reads that Adam was "with her". Not that she had to find him. But I will agree that Eve was tempted, but You need to agree that the verse does state that Adam was there with her. It says so in the verse in Genesis. | ||||||
131 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193161 | ||
I am saying that Jesus, while he was here on earth, could have, if he wanted to, given into temptation. After his death, he ascended to the Father and was then no longer able to because his full majesty had been restored and he was "exalted", as Paul puts it in Phillipians 2. The reason why I say this is because Jesus died. He chose to die, but died. If he was God and at his full majesty, he could not have died. Jesus didn't know things, like when the second coming was. Yet, Jesus is God and omniscient. There are inconsistancies about the Life of Jesus and what he was capable of that don't add up with the Doctrine of God found elsewhere. Paul, as I have mentioned before, says in Phillipians 2 that Jesus emptied himself and became the form of Man. Prior to Jesus being here during his earthly life, I believe he could not have given into temptation. After his earthly life, he could not have given into temptation. I believe these whole heartedly. However, the only explaination that I have is that while during his life on earth .. between the time of the virgin birth and the resurrection, Jesus was not at the full glory and majesty that he is at all other times. As such, there are things that would normally be impossible for him, that he was capable of doing so. Now, I am not down playing his divinity. His divine nature made such things as giving into temptation extremely difficult, and very easy for him to resist. Jesus got hungry. Jesus got thirsty. Jesus got hurt. Jesus died. Jesus cried. Jesus got mad. Jesus didn't know certain things. Jesus ran from danger. Do these things sound like attributes of God? Jesusman |
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132 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193163 | ||
Trust me, this horse has been whipped enough, and the best we can all do is to agree to disagree. Most of the points made have been valid ones. However, my concerns remain. If you examine the earthly life of Christ, there are many things that he did that does not hold true to the commonly taught doctrines of God. I listed many of them earlier. God is all knowing, yet Jesus admitted to not knowing when the second coming was. God is the creator, yet Jesus got hungry and thirsty. God is the eternal Judge, yet Jesus fled from self-righteous and sinful jews intent on stoning him. God is all powerful, yet Jesus was weakened by the fasting during his 40 days of the temptation. He was weakened and hurt prior to the death on the cross. During the temptation, Satan questions Jesus's authority. Jesus could have called down 10 thousand legions of angels to his side to subdue and be rid of Satan. It was well within his power and authority to do so. However, it was exactly what Satan wanted him to do. Satan wanted Jesus to use his powers, but Jesus refused to. He answered every temptation with scripture. Every time he is met with a temptation by Satan, Jesus falls back onto the Word. By Jesus having the capacity to giving into temptation, but using the Word of God to rebuke temptation, it is a much stronger statement of what is possible. Jesus is supposed to understand our struggles and trials. He is supposed to know what it's like to be tempted to compromise and give in just a little bit in order for things to turn out better. Yet .. if he's not capable of giving into temptation, then he cheated here. "OH yeah .. it was easy for Jesus rebuke temptation, he's God and such wouldn't even phase him. That's not our case! We don't have that luxury." With the capability to give into temptation while during his earthly life, even if it's a small chance, Jesus can reply "But I do understand. You know what I did? I did the same thing you can do. I had the same options you had. Give in .. or fall back onto the Word of God." Jesusman |
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133 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193179 | ||
So, CDBJ, now you see me as a false prophet. How many more insults are you going to throw at me before you start to honestly read what I have been posting? Instead of being a closed minded calvinist, with your head in his commentaries, try actually reading and studying the Bible for yourself. You might actually learn that there are somethings taught within Doctrine that don't add up 100 percent with the Bible. You seem to think of yourself as a smart person. Tell me, CDBJ, what should I do when I come across a Doctrine that does not hold 100 percent true to scripture? Change my interpretation of the Bible? Be like Thomas Jefferson and rip out the Verses of the Bible that don't fit? Or should I change my doctrine to fit the Bible's true teachings? You say you forgive me for my assessment of you. Well, I'm glad. That's very christianly of you. Insult another christian twice and then turn around and forgive them when they get upset, just like many of the other christians I have met. Jesusman |
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134 | What is it about the hem? | Matt 9:20 | Jesusman | 189630 | ||
Well .. first off, this was a woman, who during this day and age would have been concidered just above a slave in terms of importance in society. Jesus being not only a man, but also a rabbi and a prophet, and given his fame, it would have been severely frowned upon by those in society for her to run up and touch him anywhere. Even if Jesus had stopped those around from harming her, they could have done something later on, even shun her. So to touch the hem of his cloak, she had to have been stooped down very low, even crawling through the crowd, possibly trying to not be seen. The purpose was for her to be healed and to do so, she believed that she needed to touch him. So, why did she touch the hem? I think it was because she wanted to keep a low profile, maybe not to have attention drawn to herself. Jesus loves you! Jesusman |
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135 | What is it about the hem? | Matt 9:20 | Jesusman | 189631 | ||
Well .. first off, this was a woman, who during this day and age would have been concidered just above a slave in terms of importance in society. Jesus being not only a man, but also a rabbi and a prophet, and given his fame, it would have been severely frowned upon by those in society for her to run up and touch him anywhere. Even if Jesus had stopped those around from harming her, they could have done something later on, even shun her. So to touch the hem of his cloak, she had to have been stooped down very low, even crawling through the crowd, possibly trying to not be seen. The purpose was for her to be healed and to do so, she believed that she needed to touch him. So, why did she touch the hem? I think it was because she wanted to keep a low profile, maybe not to have attention drawn to herself. Jesus loves you! Jesusman |
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136 | Questions about blessing others - take 2 | Matt 10:13 | Jesusman | 29109 | ||
Hello Love Fountain, Happy New Year to you as well. The sight is www.edepot.com, and it was the Christian forum. Edepot has many forums to visit ranging from many different topics. One being Christianity. I have recently left that forum. I do not plan to go back, unless it gets a major cleaning. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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137 | Did Jonah die in the belly of the fish? | Matt 12:40 | Jesusman | 192308 | ||
No offense, Doc, but tell this to an athiest who believes that the Book of Jonah is a fairy tale then tell me the response. For a long time, the only credibility the Book of Jonah had to being true was the comments made by Jesus. The article I mentioned, plus a couple of archeological discoveries in recent decades sheds new light on the Book of Jonah. Need to remember, Doc, we aren't only to teach the saved but make disciples of the unsaved. To do that, you will need to prove that the Bible is trustworthy and credible. The Best way to do that is through it's Historical claims. The old excuse "cause I said so" ... or "cause God says so" doesn't work with everyone. Jesusman. |
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138 | Did Jonah die in the belly of the fish? | Matt 12:40 | Jesusman | 192315 | ||
Again .. no offense, Doc, but the Bible isn't a Calvinist. We are still to teach and teach truthfully to the unsaved. If persuasion played no part, and that redemption is purely from God, then why are we commanded to teach the unsaved?The precident set by the Apostles and the Early church fathers are to support your claims with facts. Dr. Luke used Roman time tables and references in his writings so his readers can know he was speaking truth and not trying to blow sunshine up their noses. Paul applauded the Bereans for testing every word he said. Even Jesus referred to the Old Testament writings to support his then believed to be outrageous claims of being the Messiah. When it comes to speaking with a person who is unsaved and prolly hasn't darkened the doorway of a church except at funerals and weddings, then you can't approach them successfully the same way you do an elder of the church. Look at Paul's sermon on Mar's Hill. Did he pull out the Torah and speak to them about the Law? Did he throw a praise session together? No .. he used their own beliefs and idols to proclaim the message. He got onto their level without compromising his own. That is what I am talking about. By supporting my religious claims with something that can be researched, I am giving those who are unsaved the means and opportunity to find out for themselves that what I'm telling them is not a bunch of fairy tails or good luck sayings. Jesusman |
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139 | Did Jonah die in the belly of the fish? | Matt 12:40 | Jesusman | 192321 | ||
Actually, I read the story first hand, so it's not a "fantastic story". Also, there are accounts of Sperm Whales growing large enough to be able to hold a man inside. Also given the hebrew word could also mean fish, there are accounts of sharks being found with a whole horse inside. There is evidence there, if you are willing to actually look. As for supporting religious claims with supportable and researchable fact, tell me this. Who would you be more willing to listen to and take seriously? A person who talks of ghosts, spirits, drinking blood, eating flesh, and believing in something you can't see, hear, taste, smell, or feel? Or someone who talks to you about events in history and mentions the proofs and is willing and able to back up every single claim with historical evidence? Between the two .. I would dismiss the first person as a street corner shaman that needs to see a doctor and talk to the later. Jesusman |
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140 | Did Jonah die in the belly of the fish? | Matt 12:40 | Jesusman | 192333 | ||
I am well aware of this event, and the controversy behind it. The article I read mentioned it taking place in the mediteranean sea. No matter. | ||||||
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