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121 | NIV...Gods...? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 232130 | ||
Preston, Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, I find this verse to differ somewhat with your list. And my church sadly does not have an altar. We are in serious trouble! In Christ, Beja |
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122 | Ezekiel's Temple vision-when, why, who? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 232090 | ||
Update to last post, I forgot to add in point 3, that we should note that on the curtains entering the tabernacle we find a Cherubim. The only places we find these cherubim that I can think of in scripture is guarding the garden, and guarding the entrance to the tabernacle/temple. This should help solidify in our minds that a return to the presence of God is being imaged by the tabernacle/temple and that is central to what it is about. Somebody coming into the tabernacle would literal have to go past the guardian cherbum into God's presence and do so safely only upon the blood of a sacrifice. In Christ, Beja |
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123 | what role did the holy spirit play | John 16:8 | Beja | 232042 | ||
Catlove, Indeed it does have the feel of a Bible Study question. It's one of those questions that asks as if expecting a simple one or two point answer when in truth all of the new testament is laying out a glorious answer that would take a lifetime to really appreciate. Please take no offense to Azure asking. On this forum we have a serious problem with homework questions being posted very often when it comes time for exams in seminaries and bible colleges. The regulars on the forums have long since considered it our moral duty not to aid students in something their professors would not approve of when they clearly wish the students to discover their own answers form scripture. The forum has had this conviction long before I stumbled across it. To answer your question I'll give as brief of answer as possible, a proof text, then some further reading. Answer: The Holy Spirit is the cause of every single drop of our growing in Christ likeness or doing anything that is actually pleasing to God. He is not just involved. He is the CAUSE. Philippians 2:12,13. If I had to give one passage to prove this, then I would suggest this one. Further reading: Romans 8, Also contrast Peter in the Gospel (pre-pentecost/pouring out of the Spirit) and in Acts (After pouring out of the Spirit.) Others may add to this list. I'm sure I'll think of some very key passages after I've already posted! But understand that God is the author of everything good that comes about in us, or outside us so that He may have the glory in all of it. The Father has ordained every good thing that happens, Christ has purchased all good things for us, and the Holy Spirit, which Christ has poured out upon us, powerfully works all these things in us and for us. In Christ, Beja |
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124 | who are the prophets in Eph 2:20 | 1 Sam 19:20 | Beja | 231871 | ||
1Co 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 1Co 1:22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 1Co 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 1Co 1:24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 2Co 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 2Co 4:4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2Co 4:5 For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake. 2Co 4:6 For God, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. Failing to see the glory of God in the face of Christ and what he has done in Christ is but a confession of ongoing blindness. It should spur our compassion, pity and prayers rather than debate. In Christ, Beja |
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125 | Everybody dies with recent sins | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 231561 | ||
Doc my friend, you are always worth the extra effort it takes to read you. : ) In Christ, Beja |
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126 | Church and addiction | NT general | Beja | 230897 | ||
Bill, What makes you think I find your posts repulsive? Can you provide one quote from me indicating that? I simply asked if you formerly posted as inquisitor. Why would that make you immediately paint yourself as wronged? With regards to your post, there are a variety of reasons that SBF deletes posts, sometimes it is a matter of things like advertising, sometimes its saying hateful things, sometimes its a matter of posting blatantly unbiblical view points, and there are others. You can take a good look at the terms of use to get an idea of various reasons why. From there you'll just have to consider the possibilities of in what way those particular posts may have been seen as problematic with the TOU. And before you ask...NO, I had absolutely nothing to do in any way form or fashion with your posts being deleted. I've not even read the posts in question. In Christ, Beja |
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127 | Church and addiction | NT general | Beja | 230890 | ||
Bill, So are you the poster formerly called inquisitor or not? In Christ, Beja |
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128 | Saved by Grace or Acts? | Lev 6:2 | Beja | 230810 | ||
Bill, I agree that there is no salvation without repentance. However, we we must be careful to distinguish is that it is by faith alone that we receive Christ, the benefits of His death, and the imputation of His righteousness. Wise and orthodox men of the past have often used a very good phrase: "We are justified by Faith alone, but not be a Faith that is alone." So we affirm that a "so called faith" apart from repentance and obedience is not saving in the least (See James 2:14 ff, and 1 John 3:9), but at the same time we affirm that our repentance and obedience merits absolutely nothing for us before God, but we stand by the righteousness of Christ received by faith for the purpose of our justification. This faith will be attended with all other graces. We also must clarify that this so called faith apart from obedience and repentance does not fail to save us on account of a lack of other things, but only because it is not saving faith at all, but a cheap counterfit. In Christ, Beja |
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129 | who was the first person jesus saved? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230741 | ||
John, I disagree with you. I believe the seed of the woman promised to them by God was in fact predicting Christ crucified, though admitedly in obscure language. In that, God from the very beginning of the fall held forth Jesus Christ to be hoped in as the coming see. Then after the murder of Abel and the punishment of cain, when Seth was born we see something interesting. Gen 4:25 And Adam again knoweth his wife, and she beareth a son, and calleth his name Seth, for God hath appointed for me another seed instead of Abel: for Cain had slain him. It seems clear that Eve was hoping upon and looking for the promised seed, as all God's redeem of all ages before His coming. I'll grant its not proof, but I argue its more than enough to suspect her as one of God's elect from before the foundation of the earth. In Christ, Beja |
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130 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230230 | ||
Holmes, Yes. Unless I am misinformed (which I might be), I don't think any of the historical definitions of the trinity have any intention of denying differences in roles, functions, or authority in the midst of the trinity. In fact, these things are all further proofs of distinction within the trinity. The coequal is speaking with regards to the fact that they are all THE God and all the things that entails with regards to all the infinite perfections of God in power, beauty, holiness, etc. In Christ, Beja |
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131 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230223 | ||
Holmes, Forgive me if I am wrong, but i am beginning to suspect that the reason you keep pressing is because you already know exactly where you want to take the conversation should you get a simple yes or no answer, and my failure to treat the subject as simple is hindering you from your already predetermined course. However, I will discuse it further for now. I will assume that I need not dwell on the Holy Spirit side of the question since you did not bring that back up, but I will try to explain why your question with regards to Christ needs clarified. The verses you quoted in John is the very reason I asked for clarity, because Christ DID say that the Father was greater. But this does not answer the question I asked of you. In what sense? Are you saying that the Father has power that Christ does not have? Are you saying that the Father is of a different substance or make up which is of better quality than Christ? Or rather are you merely saying that the Father is greater than the Son in terms of position or authority? In other words, Christ and the Father can be equal in all things, yet have priority in their roles. One example would be my wife and I. I have no inherent superiority over my wife, but I am her superior with regards to the chain of command, with regards to authority. So I say again, you still must explain to me what you are suggesting. Are you saying that Christ is not the same thing that God is, or are you merely talking about a positional superiority? If you are saying that Christ is, in His essence, inferior to the Father, then I suggest that you are in fact saying that Christ is NOT God. In that case yes, your pressupostions are contradictions and I would tell that believer He is in fact denying the deity of Christ, and the clear testimony of scripture. If I were to say to you that Jesus is a creating being, the cheif of angels, and in all ways inferior to the Father, but don't worry, I do affirm that He is God...then I hope you would rather quickly call me on it and say to me, "No sir, you deny Christ as God in every way." If a person is suggesting that the Father has a certain preiminence in the Godhead, a certain priority in authority and glory and perhaps chief share in the initiatives and eternal purposes of God, then I would not at all say such a person is denying the deity of Christ. And in that sense it seems to me scriptural to suggest that the Father is greater, and I believe it is to this which Christ referred in your quoted passages. So yes, you still need to clarify but I hope I answered either scenario in this post. In Christ, Beja |
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132 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230220 | ||
Bradk, Amen. |
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133 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230217 | ||
A word about understanding the trinity, We need to realise when we expect people to receive the notion of the trinity, we don't expect very much understanding at all. I would never expect a new believer to use terms like co-equal, begotten not born, same substance, or any such thing. At the end of the day the witness of scripture just hits us with two things that baffle us. 1. The scripture speaks so strongly about the unity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit that you would be absolutely ready to say that they are just the exact same person...yet you just can't because scripture speaks of them being truely distinct. 2. Scripture speaks so clearly of them being distinct people with their own distinct roles and actions that you are about ready to confess that they are three Gods...yet you can't, because so much scripture teaches that they are one. Our words, are an attempt to explain this baffling puzzle. We can NEVER expect a person to understand how this can be in order to be saved. We accept it only because we can't get away from it. It is like the two walls of the red sea that forces us to walk the dry path. Should we turn to the right and try to say that God is a single person, we are faced with the dialogues between the Father and the Son driving us to utter nonsense. We loose all ability to explain passages such as "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Eph 1:3) Should we turn to the left hand and say that they are absolutely distinct persons and say they are not one, we are confronted with passages saying: 2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Joh 14:9 Jesus *said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Joh 14:7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Scripture walls us in to speaking the way we do. God is one and God is three, I do not understand what I say but I violate scripture the moment I deny it. This then is what we look for in a Christian, not understanding, but an unwillingness to deny what scripture teaches. In Christ, Beja |
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134 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230216 | ||
Holmes, With regards to the Christ question you are going to have to clarify. In my ears you are saying contradictory remarks. They are acknowledging that Jesus is God yet not equal? You'd have to explain in what sense He is God and in what sense He is not equal. To me you are saying, lets begin with assuming there is a square circle. I can't get around the assumptions of the case in order to be able to answer you. With regards tot he Holy Spirit. I'm not going to give you a yes or no answer, because again, you are setting up what seems a false scenario. You are asking as if the person is trying to get a checklist down in order to receive a gift, and asking if this certain belief is on the check list. I'm telling you that very scenario is wrong. God grants us all things pertaining to salvation, and grants us the spirit to know what we have received. So what I am saying is that God does not give salvation without giving other things. Repentance, perseverance, the Holy Spirit, love for our brothers and sisters in Christ, and acceptance of certain key doctrines are all God's gifts to us, rather than a checklist we do to be saved. Let me try to answer concisely in these three things: 1.) The one thing needful to be saved is that we must be born again. 2.) The new birth gives us everything else. 3.) God never gives us just some of these things. A Christian will never be denied salvation "solely because he does not believe that the Holy Spirit is a seperate person." He will be denied salvation because he is a sinner guilty before an angry God, and has no mediator because he has not been granted the new birth that he may repent and trust to receive that mediator. If a man is born again purely from grace, he will then repent, believe, persevere, love, obey, and accept certain central truths. I will not give a yes or no answer to a question with faulty assumptions. Let me rephrase it into a question that I can give you a yes or no answer to. Will a born again man receive the teaching that the Holy Spirit is a distinct person of the glorious God head? Yes. Will a person who claims to be born again though in reality he is not born again, reveal himself to be such and still a naturally minded man when he rejects the doctrine of the trinity? Yes. That is my view. I think by this point, it should be clear what I believe. In Christ, Beja |
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135 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230212 | ||
Holmes, Let me try to restate in some points to tryu to clarify my answer on the murkey part. I won't apologize that I'm avoiding giving a dogmatic statment, what you are getting here is my best attempt to patch scripture together on this issue. 1.) I think denying the deity of Christ is fatal. 2.) I believe that when we are saved God grants us to receive certain truths about Him. You will not understand my answer unless you understand I work from a Calvinistic pressuposition. We only receive any saving truth in a saving way because God grants us to do so. I do not think that God grants us to "see the glory of God in the face of Christ" (2 Cor 4:1-6) and at the same time leaves us with a heart/mind that will reject trinitarian truth when shown from scripture. As salvation is start to finish entirely a work of God, even our willingness is His doing, we can not suggest a scenario of a partial Christian. I mean to say that whomever God converts, He also begins to work actual practical holiness into their lives, He keeps them in the faith until death, and many other things He does. We are not to imagine a scenario in which a man repents and trust Christs, is saved, and then chooses to live a worldly life from there onward; because the one whom God grants to receive Christ, He also grants lifelong repentance (1 John 5:18). In the same way, we are not to imagine a man who God grants to receive Christ, and then God does not grant him to believe the truth of the trinity when it is shown to him from scripture. 1Co 2:12-15 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. So here is what I "think" is right based on my beliefs. It seems that a man can be saved without a complete knowledge of the trinity, though I think he must realise that Christ is God. But a man rejecting the trinity reveals that he was converted to a God of his own imagination and was not truely born again. 3) I reject your suggestion that a simple yes or no will suffice to this question. I would not accept a scenario that leaves a supposidly saved man openly rejecting the doctrine of the trinity. Though I would accept a scenario of a born again Christian not yet having it fully explained to him. I will attempt to clarify if that doesn't make sense, but I will not attempt to simplify it. In Christ, Beja |
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136 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230194 | ||
Holmes, OH MY GOODNESS! In my fatigue I accidentally denied the diety of the Holy Spirit in that Last post! It ought to have read (Is the Holy Spirit God? YES!) Oh my my my, a thousand apologies! In Christ, a very sleepy Beja |
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137 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230193 | ||
(Part 2, I think I replied these to the wrong post, but just pretend they are to the post where you asked me!) Answers to your questions based on the above thoughts: 1. Does a man need to believe in the trinity in order to be saved? Only insofar as it is involved in the gospel message. Though a saved man will receive the rest when it is shown to him by scriptural authority. For we are given a heart that humbles itself under scriptural truth by the spirit at our conversion. 2. Should this be a requisite to Church membership? We have no clear command but here is what I think is good in light of what I have said. a.) Nobody should be required to explain how the trinity should work. It should be limited to things like: Is Jesus God? Yes. Is the Holy Spirit God? No. Is Jesus the Father? No. Etc. b.) Rejection of the trinity should prevent Church Membership. My assumption here as a Baptist is regenerate church membership. c.) That being the case, why would we not check that they believe/accept the trinitarian doctrine prior to joining? I hope this helps, I stand ready to be corrected in my thinking here. I readily confess you ask questions I've not previously given a great deal of thought to. In Christ, Beja |
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138 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230192 | ||
Holmes, Let me say that you are asking some very tuff questions that require a lot of thought. I've remained silent on your original questions for a reason. However, since you ask me specifically, I will share my thinking with your, but I ask any that read this post to realize that I'm sort of revealing a thought process more than a stance that I am of this moment ready to impose upon the consciences of another. 1. First, we must reject out of hand any notion that requires us to be able to grasp the depths of how the trinity can be. God never calls us to understand WHAT He is in depth, rather God wants us to understand WHO He is, his character. Jeremiah 9:23,24. 2. We must begin with what scripture calls us to as the means of being saved (the church membership question must follow second). Scripture places two requests upon us for salvation, though only one of them is the actually instrument of us receiving justification. These two things are repentance and faith. Faith contains two elements, one is head knowledge or belief, and the other is actually trusting upon Christ. These things are what we are called to in order to receive salvation. Now as we look more closely at Faith, we see that we are called to place our Faith in Christ, this involves both His person (who He is) and His work (substitutionary death on the cross.) Now the requirement for us to believe in the second part I assume I need not prove, the first though might be seen as both more questionable and less often stated. I offer this scripture to support it: Joh 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." I take Christ's saying "I am He" to be an affirmation of his being the God of the Old Testament. So we must place our trust in Christ and His work, but we must do so in Christ as God. So here is my application, there is some knowledge needed of the trinity in order to be saved, but it is a secondary knowledge. In other words, it is not believing in the trinity that saves you, but receiving Christ as God presupposes that we grasp that Christ is God, and that is one piece of the trinitarian puzzle. With regards to the Holy Spirit, I have no such scriptural evidence, and must assume that much can be not known with regards to the Spirit and one still be saved. 3. We must believe that salvation does in fact DO something with us in order to move to a right answer in this. We see Paul affirm: 1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. So our acknowledging Christ as "Lord" (again I take Lord to be a loaded term acknowledging diety) is something that the Spirit works in us. So the next principle I want to suggest is that our being in agreement on whom or what God is, is a Spirit produced state. Nobody who is saved, denies Christ, because the Spirit of God has wrought in us a heart that recognizes and acknowledge who Christ is (2 Cor 4:1-6). Here is how I apply this to your questions. Refer back again to John 8. We see the passage state: Joh 8:30 As He spoke these things, many came to believe in Him. Joh 8:31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; So we see Christ speaking to those who in some sense were "believing in Him." However, as the scene progresses, and Christ begins to teach who he is, the Jews who in some sense believed began to stumble over what Christ actually claimed about them selves. And in this context Christ tells them the formerly quoted verse about their perishing should they not believe that "I am He." The scene ends with those Jews trying to stone Jesus. So we can rest assured that whatever John meant by "believing" earlier,they had not trusted upon Christ with saving Faith. So I take this principle: Though there are some truths about the trinity that a believer might not need to know, a truely converted mind will not reject them when properly taught those truths. In other words, -perhaps- I need not know that the Spirit is a eternal person of the divine trinity, but later when it is shown to me from the word of God I will not reject it. Now the foundation for asserting this lies not merely in the principle seen in John 8, but upon the fact that our "receiving" such things is a work of God. A natural man won't receive them, but a spiritual man will (1 Cor 2). So with a saved man, we will see them growing in truth as it is taught, but with a lost man we will see increasing rejection as the truth is explained to them. (More to follow in a second post, where I will actually give my answers.) In Christ, Beja |
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139 | What? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230181 | ||
ewq, You have given no grammatical rule, be it Hebrew, English, Greek, or Angelic to support your statement. In Christ, Beja |
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140 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 230180 | ||
ewq, You seem to have overlooked the verses I gave you stating that the Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit is the Lord. I do not dispute that Christ received the Spirit from the Father. Other than this you have added no new point nor dealt with what I said in my post. I gave you scriptures stating clearly that the spirit is christ, and yet the spirit is OTHER than Christ. This is what you said scripture NEVER teaches. Any observant ready will notice: 1. Those points are fatal to your stance. 2. You are not responding/giving explination to the scriptures that make those points. Therefore, I leave this in the hands of the readers. In Christ, Beja |
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