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1081 | Where is the line? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22249 | ||
Hi Debbie, Thanks to your answer, if we really looking for a guideline why we have to create our own guideline. In the new testament Jesus Christ and His deciples gave us the guideline of giving which is love offering. I know that tithe is right in the time of Moses until Jesus Christ was born as human being. He made Himself a living sacrifice to free us our sins. He gave us spirit of Christianity; love, grace,charity and other good things. Jesus Christ only can justify us and not the law of Moses, I know you would agree on that. If the law of moses cannot justify that why we keep doing the things that cannot justified us which is tithe. It is not mean that we are not going to give, but there is a new guideline how to do it. If we observe one part of the law why not observing it at all. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If we read that passages, it will tell us that we have to be consistent. If you observe law of tithing you must observe other things that include in to it. Why we are ready to exclude all of the law of Moses, but we cannot include tithe to them what is it in the tithe that we cannot give up? Debbie, my believed is open, if anyone can show me that Jesus taught tithe or required His deciple to give thier tithes, I am ready to embrace that teaching again. In addition, if the tithe is really a requirement Jesus Christ is the first one who going do it as an example. He made himself an example when he required himself to be baptized by John because it is important to be baptize, and baptism is including in His teaching. What I really mean is if tithe is really the requirements why Jesus Christ himself did not required himsef to be an example like what He did when He asked john to baptise Him. God bless, Johnny |
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1082 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22250 | ||
Yes Debbie, I hope all of us will keep that in mind. We know that we just exchanging toughts of how we understand teaching. Thanks, Johnny |
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1083 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22254 | ||
Yes Charis, if somebody can show that it was taught by Jesus Christ I am ready to embrace that teaching again. Do you? I think it is not right to say that if you are not willing to give tithes you not a giver at all. There is a guidelines. "Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." What is wrong with that passages if we are not going to observe that? I am not saying that I am not willing to give, but tithe is not a requirements. Charis, if you want me to agree that tithe is a requirements, just show me a single word that He required His desciple to gave thier tithes to Him. Or you can show me that Jesus Christ made himself as an Example by fulfiling it. If the tithe really is a requirements I know that Jesus Christ will made Himself as an example by doing it. Baptism would you agree is important, Jesus Christ made himself an example when He required himself to be baptized by John. We all would agree that He dont do it for his own salvation (Because He is son of God all things created trough Him and By Him)but to show us how important it is. I think my argument is very simple, just show me those things, and I would agree. Thanks for your time, God bless, Johnny |
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1084 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22277 | ||
Hi charis, I hope you are not get rid in this discussion. I am interested with your statement in your last note. I am not sure why you have this focus on the 'legality' of the tithe. It is not a legal thing at all! Personally, I don't think it ever was, even in the Old Testament. I would share with you (if you are interested) the explaination regarding tithe in the Old testament. Tithe a tenth of the produce of the earth consecrated and set apart for special purposes. The dedication of a tenth to God was recognized as a duty before the time of Moses. Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek (Ge 14:20; Heb 7:6); and Jacob vowed unto the Lord and said, "Of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee." The first Mosaic law on this subject is recorded in Le 27:30-32. Subsequent legislation regulated the destination of the tithes (Nu 18:21-24,26-28; De 12:5-6,11,17; 14:22-23). The paying of the tithes was an important part of the Jewish religious worship. In the days of Hezekiah one of the first results of the reformation of religion was the eagerness with which the people brought in their tithes (2Ch 31:5-6). The neglect of this duty was sternly rebuked by the prophets (Am 4:4; Mal 3:8-10). It cannot be affirmed that the Old Testament law of tithes is binding on the Christian Church, nevertheless the principle of this law remains, and is incorporated in the gospel (1Co 9:13-14); and if, as is the case, the motive that ought to prompt to liberality in the cause of religion and of the service of God be greater now than in Old Testament times, then Christians outght to go beyond the ancient Hebrew in consecrating both themselves and their substance to God. Every Jew was required by the Levitical law to pay three tithes of his property (1) one tithe for the Levites; (2) one for the use of the temple and the great feasts; and (3) one for the poor of the land. 1. It was mention there that"a tenth of the produce of the earth consecrated and set apart for special purposes. The dedication of a tenth to God was recognized as a duty before the time of Moses" 2.The paying of the tithes was an important part of the Jewish religious worship. 3. The neglect of this duty was sternly rebuked by the prophets (Am 4:4; Mal 3:8-10). 4. Every Jew was required by the Levitical law to pay three tithes of his property. With those statement I dont think your right when said that it is not a legal thing for the Jewish Religion. It was really a requirements. In addition, Mr 12:42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. 42. Mr 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: This widow that mentioned of Jesus Christ I am sure she's not giving the tithe, it was love offering. An there is no requirements there or guideline how much she can give, there is no guideline that she have to gave 10 percent 20 percent or any percent. This is really what I mean of a guidelines of Giving. I hope you get my point. God bless, Johnny |
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1085 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22410 | ||
Michael, 1. I would like to clarify that when I tried to defend my stand, I am using the new testament. Because I understand that in the Old testament, tithing is Legal and Jewish people that are required to give. 2.Did you propose a new discussion points, I am sorry I could really see the relations of your post in tithing. I agree with you that the new covenant is the "Luke 22:20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the (new covenant) in My blood. " So what is your point? Thanks, Johnny |
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1086 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22411 | ||
Charis, Did I state that giving is not pleasing to God? What I mentioned here many times that if you can give more than 10 percent of your income it is acceptable to God. What wrong with this guideline of giving. I gave you the example of the widow, that mentioned of Jesus Christ, she gave everything she have, it is very clear that in the motive she gave more than a tithe. You quote me here,: In principle of this law remains, and is incorporated in the gospel (1Co 9:13-14); and if, as is the case, the motive that ought to prompt to liberality in the cause of religion and of the service of God be greater now than in Old Testament times, Of course the motive now of a Christian is more than what we have in the Old Testament times "In principle of this laws remains" of course do you think When we observed the two Great Commandments do we disobey the law? Please Answer.(with a passages support) We are fulfilling more, you would agree? When you love God with all your heart, with all your strenght, all your soul, what is it in the law did disobey? Please Answer? (with a passages support) When you love your nieghbor as you love yourself, What is it the law that you disobey? Pleas answer (with a passages support) That is why in principle this laws remains. I think it is very clear. The example of Apostle Paul is a very strong statement that the motive of Christian is strong in the Testament. The example of the widow is a very clear example that love offering is more acceptable to GOD. Your Question: This sounds just like asking for money, maybe even 'requiring' it! Also, these do not sound like your words. May I ask who you quote here? ' Can you prove to me that I mentioned that in the New Testament we dont need to give anymore? What I mentioned is the guideline should be came from the heart. I did not mention anything that we dont need to give, But my stand is God love a cheerful giver. Charis, Can you please prove me that I misused the scriptures when I depend my stand. You always mentioned "your point" can we turn this discussion into a biblical? meaning when you depend your stand support it with a passages in the Bibble. We are not arguing here just based on on personal knowledge but what scriptures says. If your stand is truly correct then support it with the passages in the Scriptures. You keep ignoring my argument my friend, My argument is, please show me that Jesus Christ taught his desciple to give tithes to Him. Or He required Himself as an Example to do so, like when He required himself when He asked John to baptize Him. Then I would agree that the tithe is the right guidelines of giving. I hope you wont ignore it this time. Thanks anyway for mentioning that I have a "DEZZYING INTELLECT" just prove your stand base on scriptures not with your own toughts. We have to look to the authorize of the books in the bible and not with our own reason. If you can prove me wrong base on the scriptures, then I will accept THAT I HAVE A "DEZZYING INTELLECT" God bless! Johnny |
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1087 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22416 | ||
Charis, You said, No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,' because I really don't know what you are trying to say, When you answer my note to (i dont recall) I am sure that You understand that my understanding of tithe is 10 percent. As a matter of fact the title of this question and answer is "release from 10 percent". What is tithe for you? it is 10 percent or not? If tithe is the same as love offering why Jesus Christ gave another guidelines. When you teach that tithe is an attitude of the heat what do you mean of this did you tell to co-churches that it is the same of love offering, or you tell to them that it is the ten percent of thier income. (i dont know if it is gross or net) You also mentioned that you dont understand what I am trying to say. Or you dont want to understand it. I gave the example of a widow, I know if you are a pastor (or whatsoever title that you have in your church)I know you read that passages and I know you understand it. That is the guideline, there is no require amount. You also mentioned "No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,'" Why? it seems you afraid that you cannot defend tithe using the scriptures, instead you want to convince me with your story. If I am in the discusion I am always try to defend my stand using scriptures and not using fairy tales. If you want to convince me, try to convince me using passages in the Bible. Like what I mentioned if you recall, if anyone can show me that Jesus Christ included tithe in His teaching, "I am ready to embrace that teaching again" This is my challenge to you now, show me. Our topic here is "TITHE" it is really in the Bible. I am interested in this topic because it is in the bible. I will not participating here in this forum for other things that not included in the bible. What is it you trying to prove? If you arguing me with your own knowledge, I will not be interested anymore, just prove me wrong using the scriptures and not with your own conclusions. Now if the tithe for you is not a ten percent, what is it for you? because if it is a ten percent, then you required people to give 10 percent of thier income. If you can answer what is tithe for you, is ten percent or not I think we can start a new discussion. But I really sure you understand it in the beggining of this discussion because it is the title of the question. My argument is very simple, but you did not try to disprove it. Again Here is my agrument: Please show me that Jesus Christ required himself to Give tithe. Or you can show me that He taught to His desciple to gave tithes. He required Himself to be baptize by John to set an example to us. If the tithe is a right guidelines why Jesus Christ dont do it as an example? Please disprove my stand using passages in the scriptures and not with your own. If you prove you are right using the scriptures then I would agree. When you taught people in the pulpit I am sure you taught them using the scriptures, why not trying to teach me using the scriptures? Just prove to me that I am wrong, but please use passages in the scriptures. I know you keep ignoring my argument, but I hope you are ready to answer it this time. I am not trying to offend you with the kind of questions, Just disprove them using the scriptures and I would agree. |
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1088 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22418 | ||
Charis, You said, No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,' because I really don't know what you are trying to say, When you answer my note to (i dont recall) I am sure that You understand that my understanding of tithe is 10 percent. As a matter of fact the title of this question and answer is "release from 10 percent". What is tithe for you? it is 10 percent or not? If tithe is the same as love offering why Jesus Christ gave another guidelines. When you teach that tithe is an attitude of the heat what do you mean of this did you tell to co-churches that it is the same of love offering, or you tell to them that it is the ten percent of thier income. (i dont know if it is gross or net) You also mentioned that you dont understand what I am trying to say. Or you dont want to understand it. I gave the example of a widow, I know if you are a pastor (or whatsoever title that you have in your church)I know you read that passages and I know you understand it. That is the guideline, there is no require amount. You also mentioned "No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,'" Why? it seems you afraid that you cannot defend tithe using the scriptures, instead you want to convince me with your story. If I am in the discusion I am always try to defend my stand using scriptures and not using fairy tales. If you want to convince me, try to convince me using passages in the Bible. Like what I mentioned if you recall, if anyone can show me that Jesus Christ included tithe in His teaching, "I am ready to embrace that teaching again" This is my challenge to you now, show me. Our topic here is "TITHE" it is really in the Bible. I am interested in this topic because it is in the bible. I will not participating here in this forum for other things that not included in the bible. What is it you trying to prove? If you arguing me with your own knowledge, I will not be interested anymore, just prove me wrong using the scriptures and not with your own conclusions. Now if the tithe for you is not a ten percent, what is it for you? because if it is a ten percent, then you required people to give 10 percent of thier income. If you can answer what is tithe for you, is ten percent or not I think we can start a new discussion. But I really sure you understand it in the beggining of this discussion because it is the title of the question. My argument is very simple, but you did not try to disprove it. Again Here is my agrument: Please show me that Jesus Christ required himself to Give tithe. Or you can show me that He taught to His desciple to gave tithes. He required Himself to be baptize by John to set an example to us. If the tithe is a right guidelines why Jesus Christ dont do it as an example? Please disprove my stand using passages in the scriptures and not with your own. If you prove you are right using the scriptures then I would agree. When you taught people in the pulpit I am sure you taught them using the scriptures, why not trying to teach me using the scriptures? Just prove to me that I am wrong, but please use passages in the scriptures. I know you keep ignoring my argument, but I hope you are ready to answer it this time. I am not trying to offend you with the kind of questions, Just disprove them using the scriptures and I would agree. |
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1089 | Philippines? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22426 | ||
Charis, Yes, I forgot to include in my last note, I am sorry for that. God bless, Johnny |
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1090 | Philippines? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22427 | ||
Charis, Yes, I forgot to include in my last note, I am sorry for that. God bless, Johnny |
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1091 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22433 | ||
Charis, I dont know if the term colect is right. We are not regularly collect, any members are open they can give anytime they want. It is in them if they have something to offer. The only announcement that I heard that the leader of church asking help is when that convention center is about to finish. After that it is in the member if how often they want to help the church. And the church survive. Those who can help big we know that they are capable of doing it, there is no special treatment for them just like how important every member was. God bless, Johnny |
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1092 | Philippines? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22456 | ||
Hank, Yes I am from Philippines. You are right my favorite book in the Bible is the letter to the churches in the philippines. English is almost the second language for me although I accepted that I am not too good in writing it. My native tougue is Visayan my father has a little blood of Spanish. I am very happy to hear that you did sponsored a young child here in our country, we need more people like you here. Philippines is the only Christian country in this part of the world, but our politics is too much "dirty" so to speak. There are too many religions here now (I am happy for it) although most of Filipinos are catholic. Thanks for the note. God bless, Johnny |
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1093 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22459 | ||
Charis, People can give during fellowship if they want, if they have no money it okay that what I mean of we are not collecting regularly. We can give every fellowship (sunday)but we are not require people. We are the one go to the love offering box if we have something to offer. Thanks again, God bless, Johnny If it is okay can I ask you what is your Nationality/where did you came from.By the way Hank write me a note when He knows that I came from Phil. |
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1094 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22460 | ||
Charis, People can give during fellowship if they want, if they have no money it okay that what I mean of we are not collecting regularly. We can give every fellowship (sunday)but we are not require people. We are the one go to the love offering box if we have something to offer. Thanks again, God bless, Johnny If it is okay can I ask you what is your Nationality/where did you came from.By the way Hank write me a note when He knows that I came from Phil. |
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1095 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22461 | ||
Michael, Thanks, I but still, I dont see the relation of this to our discussion. What we start is if really the tithes is still the requirements for the Christians. Because my stand is As Christian we are not binding the law of Moses, and law will not justify us: Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Thank you and God Bless, Johnny |
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1096 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22595 | ||
Michael Before we start this discussion let me put some clarifications. 1. In your own understanding, what is tithe for you. It is a ten percent of your income (net/gross)? 2. Or it is the same as love offering that was mentioned in the new testament. If your answer is it is the 10 ten percent of your income, then I will try to prove (with scriptures supporting it) to you that this teaching is different from the teaching of Jesus Christ. Just to clear my stand, I mentioned it many times when I have a discussion regading tithes, that giving is not wrong but there is no required amount it is not 10 percent or 20 percent of your income, but what porposes of your heart because God love a cheerful giver. In your second question. Again let me ask some clarifications Are you talking of "New Testament" or "NEW COVENANT" To make sure that we both agree, on which we are going to Begin our discussion. TESTAMENT: occurs twelve times in the New Testament (Heb 9:15, etc.) as the rendering of the Gr. diatheke, which is twenty times rendered "covenant" in the Authorized Version, and always so in the Revised Version. The Vulgate translates incorrectly by testamentum, whence the names "Old" and "New Testament," by which we now designate the two sections into which the Bible is divided. COVENANT: a contract or agreement between two parties. In the Old Testament the Hebrew word berith is always thus translated. Berith is derived from a root which means "to cut," and hence a covenant is a "cutting," with reference to the cutting or dividing of animals into two parts, and the contracting parties passing between them, in making a covenant (Ge 15:1-21; Jer 34:18-19). Michael, dont think that I am direct it to the point, I want to make sure that we both agree on which we are going to begin our discussion. Thanks also for your patient. God Bless, Johnny |
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1097 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22623 | ||
Michael, You stated this. "When I am defending free will giving I do not refer to the gospels because it is the teachings after the cross that I apply to my life. This understanding of law and grace has really free me from confusion and a lack of understanding of who I have become in Christ." You are right! when are the one who give there is no problem, if you can give more that 10 or 20 percent of your income to God and it is a purposes of you heart God will be happy for that. But what if you are the one who requires you people to give the 10 percent of thier income? We have a problem here. I think we have to know the guidelines of what Jesus want us to do. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If we read that passages carefully, Jesus says "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" because they are the one who are very strick to collect tihes. It is the blame is for them. So if the pastors required people to give 10 percent of their income to the church, then that pastors is the same of that scribes and pharisees! Because we all know that the teaching of Jesus Christ on guidelines of giving are more love offering not to required people to give thier ten percent. You also mentioned this:"I do believe tithing was part of the mosaic law and also before the law was established(Abraham tithed to Melchizedek)." Actually I do believed that if this happened in the time of New Testament it will not tolerated. If we read that verse from Ge 14:17, Ge 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. I dont think Jesus Christ will tolerated anyone to slaughter any person good or bad and took thier goods and give the tithe to God. Thank you, and God bless, Johnny |
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1098 | Tithing fact or fiction | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 125948 | ||
If the tithe he is talkig about is 10 percent of the income, it is not applicapble today. 2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. If you give a certain amount to any members, it is means that you required them under the law. Giving under the Christ teaching is love offering, the amount that purpose of your heart. Tithe is under the law of moses, law as apostle paul said will not justify us. Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Why keep doing the things that will not justify us? Aside from that, we are commanded not to fufill only part of the law, but all of the law. If someone taught us to observe part of the law, you must observe all of it, otherwise Christ will call us hypocrytes. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If you observe the law of the tithes, you must observe other matters on it such as stone to death your brother and sisters if you found them going out in sabbath day, stone to death those committed aldultery, you must not eat the food that prohibited by the law etc. etc. Christ fulfill the law different ways, we must always be reminded about that. Giving is good, if you can give half, full, or everything you have, it is acceptable to God. But NO amount required. God bless, |
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1099 | Does talents and gifts not count as tith | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 125958 | ||
Not necessarily, Mt 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. "the things unto God's" Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. That is what Christ asking us, not just a dollar, pound, peso etc. it is love. If you you are going to ask if ten percent is requirements for today NO! God bless, |
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1100 | Canthesameactbedoneintwodiffernetspirits | 2 Cor 11:15 | jlpangilinan | 46940 | ||
Giam, I dont know if you are new here in the forum. Just a reminder, it is agree here in the forum that if you address post to specific person you slect "note" instead of "question" your post will send to specific person that you want to have discussion with. If you select "question" it is automatically post in the unanswered area, and it will occupied a lot of space which is for the question for everyone. God bless, Johnny |
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