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1081 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | mark d seyler | 146404 | ||
Hi Merv, Matt 25:46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." This is what Jesus says about the future of the unrighteous. There just isn't much logic or interpretation needed. These shall go into eternal punishment. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1082 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | mark d seyler | 146401 | ||
Hi Merv, If these things which you say are true, why didn't the apostles (Acts 15) tell the church that they needed to keep all the law, but instead, said to keep from idol, fornication, things strangled, and blood. Nothing about the Sabbath, or clean and unclean animals, and in fact Jesus "declared all foods clean" as has been covered in other threads. And again, we are not speaking of the abolishing of the Law. Our "keeping" the Law (which of course we cannot do!) does not bring us righteousness, because we cannot fully keep it (James 2:10). Jesus kept, or obeyed, the entire Law on our behalf, thus fulfilling it (demonstrating the intent and purpose, enacting the motivation and behavior, living the essence of the Law), then imputing (counting as our own) the righteousness of His holy life to us, when we believe in Him. We do not add anything by any "act of obedience" to the Law to the righteousness we receive from Jesus. We do not take anything away from the righteousness we receive from Jesus when we do not do the works of the Law. The just shall live by faith. Gal 3:10 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them." 1 Cor 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 1 Cor 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. How could Paul have made these statements? All things - eating pork, working on the sabbath, and so on? All things are lawful for me! One last point. When we say we keep God's Law because we love Him, do we mean that our love for God gives us the ability to keep His Law? Rather because God's Spirit lives in us (Rom 8:8-9), He has made us into a new creature, with His law "written on our hearts", you could say His Law is our "spiritual DNA", and now "we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works." Love in Christ, Mark |
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1083 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | mark d seyler | 146376 | ||
Dear Doc, Terrific quotes! And thank you for the link. This is good stuff! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1084 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | mark d seyler | 146228 | ||
Hi Searcher, I think I just "got" what you were saying before. Jesus' sacrifice was the perfect sacrifice, which replaces the giving of imperfect sacrifices, which were offered previously. Is that what you meant? Love in Christ, Mark |
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1085 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | mark d seyler | 146224 | ||
Dear Doc, Hopefully, I will already know the answers to the simple questions ;-) I appreciate your more analytical approach to this question, making it a little easier to look at. This is more what I have been looking for. I have had some partly formed ideas on this topic, and you have certainly given me some food for thought. This is what I love so much about this forum, it is such a terrific opportunity to work these things out so I understand better. Searcher made the comment that Jesus replaced the sacrificial system (from Heb. 9-10). I would rather say Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, becoming the ultimate sacrifice, the sacrifice intended all along. So we no longer need to sacrifice; this law was fulfilled for all of us. The idea that we reject the Law makes me uncomfortable also. But in this example, we don’t reject the sacrificial law, we embrace the fullness of it, by embracing Jesus’ sacrifice as the ultimate fulfilling sacrifice. We cling to the sacrificial law, because this is what give the foundation of substitutionary atonement. We know that Jesus released us from the dietary law, as has been discussed over the last couple of days. So we do not reject this portion of the Law, we recognize the wisdom of what it decrees, but we also know that we are no longer bound by its requirement, and that “all foods are clean.” As you pointed out, the laws governing fellowship and acceptance were dealt with, as we have become the temple (I like the way you put that!) But isn’t it accurate to say that Jesus fulfilled all of the Mosaic Law, just as He did the sacrificial law? And that the righteousness that Jesus demonstrated by His keeping of the entire Law is imputed to us? We are accounted as having lived the same righteous life that Jesus did by our faith in Him. Just as I am no longer subject to obey the sacrificial system, can I still be subject to obey to rest of the Law? I say “subject” very specifically. Galatians 3:23-25 “But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.” I.E. no longer under the law. Kalos makes the statement that some would make Jesus’ intent as if to abolish the law in spite of Himself, as if fulfilling the law abolishes it. But to say that we are no longer required to be subject to the law because we receive credit for Jesus’ fulfilling the law does not abolish the law. The law is still good, and is still in force to perform the purpose for with it was instituted. The law also describes the nature of God, as you mentioned, and as we come to Him, and serve Him, our lives will reflect the works of the Law, however, we do not do these works because the law requires it, but because this is the nature of God, and the new nature He has given us. Jesus repeats the commandments of the Law, letting us know that God has not changed, but He also tells “be perfect”, a command we can in no wise keep! I originally asked this question because of statements made by some that in effect said we are still under (subject to) portions of the Mosaic Law, and I wanted to see if there was in fact a Biblical basis to this. I do not believe there is. When the gentiles began to join the church, the apostles gave only four “laws” - Acts 15:20 “But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.” Lest I be mis-understood: I totally believe that the person who serves God will also be one who’s life reflects the law, as Jesus reaffirmed in His teaching. We must both do, and teach, the commandments of God. But not because the Mosaic Law requires it, but because God does an original work in us to both will and to do His good pleasure. I also like what you said “The challenge is working out for ourselves, based on the Word of God, and the illumination of the Holy Spirit, where the "fuzzier" laws fit and, therefore, how we ought to live.” I agree with you, this is by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, in each of our lives. Thank you for your thoughts! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1086 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | mark d seyler | 146188 | ||
Dear Doc, I only have a moment before they throw me out of the office - I don't have internet at home - I just want to say thank you for your reply, You make several very good points which I will respond to more tomorrow - just to say, I think you offer a very good explanation! See you tomorrow! God bless you! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1087 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | mark d seyler | 146168 | ||
Hi Merv, Thank you for your reply. I had forgotten about the tablets being inside the ark, with the books of the law on the outside. That is certainly interestng in light of this discussion. :-) Do you think that the Ten Commandments represent the law that is to be written on our hearts? What part of the Mosaic Law is the “moral law”, and where in scripture are we told that the born again person remains subject to that law? Regarding the eternal nature of hell, what do you do with verses such as these: Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. These verses seem very clear that those suffering this punishment do not die, and will suffer forever. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1088 | Under part of the Law? | Col 2:14 | mark d seyler | 146167 | ||
Hi Emmaus, Would you then say that we are no longer subject to the Mosaic Law, but rather we do those things that the Law required because we are recreated with our new nature? And would you agree with the idea that when we fail to do that which the law required, we are not held accountable to the Mosaic Law, but rather our Father corrects us be make us more loving, to fulfill the law of love? Love in Christ, Mark |
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1089 | "He erased the certificate of debt" | Col 2:14 | mark d seyler | 146166 | ||
Hi Ray, Regarding Colossians 2:14, how do you think this compares to Ephesians 2:15 “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances (dogma); for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;” Do you think these are speaking of the same thing? Love in Christ, Mark |
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1090 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | mark d seyler | 146107 | ||
Hi Doc, We receive credit for Jesus' righteous life, as if it were our own, and are declare "just", as having never broken the Law, correct? This refers to all of the Law? I think we agree on this. What I am looking for, (please pardon me if I have not be clear :-) ) is a foundation to the teaching that Jesus fulfilled, say, the "ceremonial law", and so that law no longer needs to be kept, but we are still under the "moral law", and obligated to keep it. I have read posts from a few people on this forum that have used these statements, and I was hoping to hear from someone who can elaborate on that position. I like your quote from Biggs. Very succinct! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1091 | please explain proberbs 18:21 | Gen 1:1 | mark d seyler | 145251 | ||
"Death and life are in the power of the tongue." "Name it and Claim it" teachings have absolutely no Biblical foundation. The Biblical teaching it to ask God for what we want or need, and look to Him to supply it or not according to His will. Php 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. Matthew 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Notice this does not say "...then seek all these things." We seek God's kingdom, and don't concern ourselves with 'what we get'. Let's look at the extreme: Can I speak a new world into existance? Of course not! Only God can create. Did James, as he wrote concerning the power of the tongue, of speech, include creating? No. He wrote regarding the tongue's power to influence other people. "Death and life are in the power of the tongue." Do we have the power, through our speech, to cause another to live or die? And I do not mean to "make them so depressed that they give up living", I mean can I speak the word and you will die because of the power of my speech? Of course not! Daniel wrote of God, concerning Belshazzar, "God who has your very breath in His hand." Paul said to the Atheneans Acts 17:25 "seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;" Can I speak a life into existance? No, I am not God. So, if I do not give or take away life, how can anyone say I can speak other things into or out of existance? And if that is so, how can someone build a doctrine that I do based on this verse "Death and life are in the power of the tongue"? I think this verse speaks of the power to influence others, as James also writes, and if you recognize and appreciate and use that fact, you will reap the result" - that is my thinking on this passage however I have not studied it. But it does not mean we can take upon ourselves the power of God. Not even the "prayer of faith" is this kind of "gab it and grab it". When I pray in faith, my faith is in Him Who has the power to do His will. Personally, I don't want that power. God knows much better than I do. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1092 | Why this is not taught? | 1 John 3:9 | mark d seyler | 145101 | ||
Hi Tim, Thank you for your input on this subject. As you usually do, you've given me some things to think about. In reading over this material again last night, this passage struck me in particular: Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. To me this speaks to the bottom line of this issue. Before Christ, we were servants of sin. Even if we did what as right it was not regarded by God, in His holiness. Now, we are servants of righteousness. Even if we do what is wrong, it is not regarded by God, in His forgiveness. "Yeild your members servants to righteousness." The choice, and responsibility remains ours. Blessings! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1093 | Why this is not taught? | 1 John 3:9 | mark d seyler | 145062 | ||
Hi Tim, I went back and read through Romans 7 and 8 on my lunch break. I can see how 7 could be understood as from the Jew who delights in the Law of the LORD, but is not able to keep it. But then Paul says (Romans 7:24-25) "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." He speaks as of a dichotomy - one part of him serving God, one part of him serving sin. And this is after the deliverance through Jesus, but before the "adoption, the redemption of our bodies" (8:23) That takes me back to 7:20 "Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." Who is the me, that is not me, that sins, if I am an unregenerate man? Back to Col 3:5 Many places Paul speaks of our body parts neutrally, to be either offered to sin or offered to God. Here, he definately takes a different tack. Paul says "mortify your members which are upon the earth (I read "upon", rather than "of" the earth)" 'upon' signifying location of these members - upon the earth. This is the part of me that is still upon the earth, and it is fallen, and it is sinful. I agree with you, Paul does identify these members as the stated sins. But earlier Paul wrote "for you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God". So in this context, I am hid with Christ in God, in heaven, and I have members on the earth to be put to death, because I am dead! "In fact, the reason that they can put these things to death is because of their new nature." - thank God for that!! And then there is still 1 John 3:9, which says that being born of God, we do not "poieo" "commit a single act of" sin. If I understand my old nature to be completely purged and gone, and no more ever to be seen or heard from again, then I have a difficulty with being able to read this as it is written, and other verses like it. 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I mean let's face it - I continue to sin! Not only that, I tend to commit the sames sins as I have been committing. :-( So I see what you are saying, and that the old man is dead. But he seems to be tied to me still, as the albatross to the mariner, and looking at it this way removes the difficulty of otherwise difficult passages. Ultimately, we shall be free from the slightest hint of sin and unrighteousness, and however it is to come - let it come!!! God bless you brother! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1094 | One born of God cannot sin? | 1 John 3:9 | mark d seyler | 145059 | ||
Thank you, Russ! Hospitality is much to be desired! And remember, folks, there is much wisdom to be gleaned from searching previous threads! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1095 | Why this is not taught? | 1 John 3:9 | mark d seyler | 145041 | ||
Hi Tim, It's good to hear from you. You always challenge me toward growth and learning! Romans 7 seems to very clearly portray 2 natures residing together. If I remember correctly you understand Romans 7 to be speaking of the unregenerate person. Is that right? :-) But that aside, what do you think is meant in Colossians 3:5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:" What are our members that are on the earth that we are told to mortify - kill - and why do they need to die? Love in Christ, Mark |
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1096 | One born of God cannot sin? | 1 John 3:9 | mark d seyler | 144959 | ||
CDBJ, Please remember that our call is to build up, not tear down. Personal sniping has no place or use in this forum. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1097 | Clean and unclean animals? | Gen 7:2 | mark d seyler | 144956 | ||
Hi mommapbs, Keeping the sabbath also predated the giving of the Law. It seems God told His people what He wanted of them 'somehow'. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1098 | hidden codes | Gen 5:1 | mark d seyler | 144955 | ||
Food for thought: In the geneology recorded in Genesis chapter 5, we normally read it as a transliterated list of names. But this "hides" a deeper meaning! When we look at this list of names translated, we see something completely different: Adam means Man Seth means Appointed Enos means Mortal Cainan means Sorrow Mahalaleel means The Blessed God Jared means Descent Enoch means Commencement (ie Teaching) Methuselah means His Death Will Bring Lamech means Despair Noah means Rest So what does this say? Man appointed mortal sorrow. The Blessed God comes down teaching. His death will bring the despairing rest. This is the Christian gospel, "hidden" in a geneology in the Torah. Hidden code? You decide. Does it add to the message? Absolutely not - there is nothing that you don't find by just reading the Bible. But this is interesting evidence that the Eternal, Amazing God wrote this Book, considering that He told the gospel through parents naming their children during the course of 1000 years! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1099 | The Bible written in code ? | Bible general Archive 2 | mark d seyler | 144925 | ||
Hi Searcher, Do you think that the study of typology is a valid method of Biblical interpretation? Love in Christ, Mark |
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1100 | One born of God cannot sin? | 1 John 3:9 | mark d seyler | 144924 | ||
Hi M.J. Head, Sorry about the confusion! The other post was 141095 - my poor eyes vs. those tiny little numbers - well, my eyes didn't win that battle! I wasn't taught this by man either. I was studing in 1 John, and came to these particular verses and asked "It this true?", and began to study. It was right after I came to these conclusions that my pastor taught the same thing from Romans 8. It was very refreshing to me to see you explaining the same things in the very same way. I look forward to your hearing more from you. Love in Christ, Mark |
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