Results 101 - 120 of 131
|
||||||
Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Author: Suede67 Ordered by Date |
||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
101 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93339 | ||
Hey Tim, ...I did check your response to Darcy. My short response would simply be this, there is a difference between 'believing' that the gifts have ceased and Scripture saying that they 'have' ceased... Yes, and they have in fact ceased. Time indicators within the NT indicate to a nearness, as in within Paul's lifetime. (though he was martyred) See 1 Cor 15:51. 1st Century Christian look for Christ to come back in their lifetime. Why? Because that is exactly what was going to happen...unless the Bible is wrong that is. ...You also said that Christ said that He would return in 40 years. Scripture never says this either. We have to be very careful when we say that Scripture 'says' something, if we are only referring to what we think Scripture means... Actually it does say that, but you have to know a bit of theology to understand that a generation to a Jew would mean 40 years. Does Jesus say in a literal sense, "I'll be back in 40 years". No, he does not. He says he'll be back in a generation, i.e 40 years. I do agree in being careful when claiming scripture says something, but I also leave scripture to interpret itself. Generation is one of those things. I know this view is difficult cause we as Christians are taught this theology now days. But this wasn't always the case. I do hope we can futher discuss it though, Take care, SUEDE |
||||||
102 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93337 | ||
Hey Ken, ...I've heard all that before and it still can't be reconciled with what Paul was stating... Well, it's really going to depend on what your take on Ages is, and when these Ages start and stop. That's truly paramount to understand Paul, if not the whole Bible. ...He says ALL knowledge will cease when we see Jesus ..face to face... But what is this knowledge? That's important. We know from 1 Cor 1:20 that he does says the wisdom of that particular Age was foolish. To me, this makes sense that it would pass. ...So I must ask you why you feel the need to continue to learn after you are informed by Jesus Christ as to the sum of all knowledge?.. Well, that's the kind of person I am. But not that Christ did say we are to be like a child. For we are saved by Grace alone, not by how smart we are. ...A joint heir will know all things as He knows all things, correct?... No. God reveals things to us as He choses. You know that Christ is the only way. That is really it, that's all you need. But, I believe that Christ does in fact reveal things to us still. To spread the Gospel, we need to know the Gospel. .....Ergo, knowledge will cease...And since the gifts are for the edifying of the Disciple and the edifying of the Disciple's church, they will also cease to be needed....but only then will they cease to be needed... Well, that's one way of looking at it. I still hold to ceassation around 70 AD though. Take care, SUEDE |
||||||
103 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93329 | ||
Hey Tim, ...Where exactly does Scripture say that Christ would return in 40 years?... Olivet Discourse. We know from the OT, that a generation to the Jews is 40 years, Jesus said he would be back in one generation. ...I can't speak to the organ music and the choir, but what did the angels say in Acts 1 after Christ ascended to Heaven? Acts 1:11 - "'Men of Galilee,' they said, 'why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." Now, how did Jesus go into Heaven? Acts 1:9 says, "After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight."... Actually, these verse DO mesh with what Jesus said, and of course with Preterist eschatology. We know that Jesus "went" into heaven behind a cloud. That's key. For how is He coming? Let the Bible tell us. Mattew 26:24 Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." Mark 13:26 "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory." What does this mean? Coming in clouds invokes OT prophets that poetically spoke of God coming in clouds of Judgement. We can further see this here, Revelation 1:7 "BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen." Another thing we can ask is, how fast will this coming be? A slow descent? No. Matthew 24:27 "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be." cf Luke 17:24 His coming was that quick. Take care, SUEDE |
||||||
104 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93328 | ||
Ken, ...What SUEDE wrote, "but I have never seen a Biblical proof from them past 70 AD. Gifts were for the early Church and ceased, just like Paul said they would. Take care," What Ken wrote "Hmmm. Last time I looked 'Knowledge' was a gift. ...Lets see... then there is "Faith". Hmmm??... Let's deal with faith first. Faith is gift like grace, quite different then tongues or prophecy, and not what people would be speaking about if they were referring to spiritual gifts. Knowledge mentioned in 1 Cor 13:8 seems to coincide with what Paul wrote earlier in 1 Cor 1:20 which is the wisdom of that Age; an Age that would shortly be passing. Paul writes that wisdom of that Age, or the Age he was still in, was foolish. It makes sense then that it is that type of knowledge or wisdom that would be passing. It makes zero sense to assume that intelligence will pass, or would have passed, with the coming of Christ. That particular portion in 13:8 has boggled Theologians as the passing of "knowledge" or wisdom doesn't make sense in any Age, before or after the Return of Christ. Most likely Paul meant the knowledge, or wisdom of the Age they were fixing to come out of. However, if you have a take on knowledge passing I'd be more then willing to hear it. Take care, SUEDE |
||||||
105 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93324 | ||
Hey Darcy, ...If perfection has come, why is there more sin in this world than probably ever... That's actually a bit of speculation on your part. Remember, during the 1st century, there was literally worldwide paganism. That is not true today. Though it seems like the the world is worse due to the Media, Christianity is spreading like a brush fire in the southern hemisphere. ...as the bible states in Matthew 24:37, "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah." Notice that it says "the coming" not "when I am here"... Yes, Christ's coming caught people off guard. It shouldn't have as they were forewarned, but it did none the less. ...As far as I am concerned in this day and age is far from perfection,.. I agree with you, and I'm certainly not saying the world is perfect. ...and the bible states very clearly that when he returns to earth this world will be perfect... Are you sure? ..What we refer to as the Lord's prayer You honestly think all this sin in the world today is his will?.. No, it's not his will, it's counter to it. But that's not a sign of Him not being here. There was great sin abound when Christ was in the flesh. ..The bible states that satan is the "god of this world" (2cor 4:4) In order to believe what you do you would have to say this verse is no longer true.. That's correct. Look at this, Romans 16:20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you. Paul was telling people that were alive in the first century that God was fixing to crush Satan under THEIR feet. ..and if that is the case why is there still sin?.. Why would there not be? Sin came in via Adam, people today still have sin nature, they always will. We as humans are our own problem. Our sin nature is why there is sin in this world. ..In Rev 1:7, "BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him," I personally have never seen Him... Yes you have, you aren't realizing it though. You desire to see Him in the flesh, that's all. But He's here, you see Him in fellow Christians. ..How could Jesus clearly tell His disciples that He would be back in 40 years? When He didn't know Himself. "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." (Mat. 24:36).. Actually, the answer is in that verse. Jesus as a man did NOT know the day or hour. But he did know it would happen within 40 years. That's the difference. ..Explain to me if Jesus came back 40 years after He left in Acts 1 why is it that John wrote the book of Revelation which clearly states the day of the Lord and the day of perfection when John didn't write the book until after 90 probably closer to 95 AD? John didn't write Revelation in 90 or 95 AD. That's a incorrect date, that unfortunately hinders people. A more correct date is between 60 AD and 67 AD. I can give you some info on this if you like. ...Out of the book of Acts and Revelation? show me.... Acts is easy, there's nothing to state that we are IN the Book of Acts. Acts is very much a historical book of the early, early church. Revelation was given to John to warn the early Christians that everything they had been taught over the past 40 years was in fact coming to a head. He warned seven literal churches that he probably established and warned the Christians in Jerusalem that they were to leave the Harlot of Babylon. That's right, Jerusalem was the Harlot of Revelation and was judged in 70 AD, again just as God said he would. ...The bible states in 1pet 2:24 I guess that verse no longer applies according to your theology... No it still does. I in no way remove Christ or His sacrifice for us the undeserving. ..Just one more thought. If the gifts have ceased where do you draw the line. At salvation? or has that GIFT ceased as well?.. Salvation is a gift from God in the form of grace. However, "gifts" or spiritual gifts typically imply tongues, prophecy, and perhaps healing. That's what most mean by "gifts". Has grace passed. Never. Have gifts like tongues passed? Yes. ..Also have you ever gotten a cold or the flu? And are no longer sick? If healings have ceased tell me this how are you cured?... Yes, our natural body has obvious failures. And we can heal those on natural terms, i.e. medication. Now, can God heal people? Yes, he's God. But is this still a valid common gift found in Christians? Not really. Healing is a tough one. Now as far as tongues and prophecy go, yes, without a doubt and full authority those have passed. Thanks for asking question, I hope you have more and will contiune the dialog, I'm enjoying it and I hope you are too, take care, SUEDE |
||||||
106 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93303 | ||
Hey Retxar, Sorry this is a late response. 1 Cor 13:8 shows us that gifts will cease. At the time of 1 Cor 1:7 spritual gifts were very much abound still. Both 13:8 and 1:7 show us that they cease upon Christ's return. Now it's just a matter of when you feel Christ will or has returned. Take care, SUEDE |
||||||
107 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93301 | ||
Hi Darcy, ...Just curious if you are referring to 1 Cor 13:8 were paul writes and says the tongues, prophecy, and knowledge will cease but Agape love won't cease?... Yes I was. ...Because if that is the verse you are referring to, you are taking out of context because in verse 10 it says "but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away." We live far from a perfect world. Perfection won't come until Jesus our Lord and Savior comes back to sit on the throne of David.... Brace yourself, I'm NOT taking that verse out of context. Perfection has come, just like He said He would. Shocking? It shouldn't be. His disciples flat out ask Jesus when he is going to return and Jesus flat out tells them within 40 years. Jesus IS on the Throne, again, just like he said. ...One more thing in Revelation 19:10 It says that the testimony of Jesus Christ IS the spirit of prophecy. If prophecy has ceased you would also have to say that Jesus' testimony has also ceased since it is the spirit of prophecy.... Yes, the testimony of Jesus is the SPIRIT of prophecy. That's correct. Now, that was more apt back when John wrote Revelation, but still today as we preach the Gospel. Only for us, it's not really prophetic, it's a reality, it did happen. ...One more thing people who believe the gifts have not ceased aren't all charsmatic... That is true, but most aren't far from it. ...I do not believe that Satan or another spirit will heal the afflicted and bring people to Jesus, only the Holy Spirt can and will do that... I agree, but one, who says those people really needed to be healed. And two, I don't deny that God is all powerful, He does as He pleases. However, spiritual gifts as a whole have passed, again, just as the Bible says. ...If you read the book of Acts you will find that the book doesn't end. It doesn't end because we are in the book of Acts... This may be shocking, but we are out of Revelation! We are not in Acts by a long shot, haven't been there for almost 2,000 years, haven't been in Revelation for basically 1,900 years. I'm sure you don't know how to react right now, but hopefully your curiousity has spiked. Take care, SUEDE |
||||||
108 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93300 | ||
Hey Tim, Sorry this is a late response, still getting used to the lay out here. Yes, the other person said it correct, 1 Cor 13:8 shows that all but Love will cease. I'll go into more depth on the response initally given to you by Darcy. Take care, SUEDE |
||||||
109 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93299 | ||
Hi Steve, no problem jumping in late either, I do it way too often myself! I'm glad 1 Corinthians 13:8 caught your eye. That one verse, and the few surrounding it, has troubled many a theologian. The sad thing is, it doesn't have too! Let me put it to you like this, there are no such things as Bible difficulties!! There is only Theology Difficulties. The Bible doesn't have a problem, our theology does. We want the Bible to fit our theology, instead of having our theology fit the Bible. ...Are you suggesting that "then" has already come? Has the event that Paul referred to - "when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears" - has already happened? Has perfection already come a second time? ... Yes, but know that it is not I that suggests, it's the Bible that tells. Let me drop this on you cause you seem ready to hear it, Christ told his disciples that he would return in 40 years. And he said his return would be a like a flash of lightning. People want to physically see Christ coming down from the sky with organ music playing and a heavenly choir. Very theatric, but not Biblically correct. If Christ did NOT return in 40 years, He was a liar and is therefore NOT the Messiah. Now, personally, I'm not going to say that. ...That is when gifts such as prophecy and tongues will disappear. 1 Corinthians 13 makes perfect sense apart from any discussion of whether or not God has suspended spiritual gifts... Yes, and this too makes sense with the rest of the Bible. Ok, there's two ages listed in the Bible, as far as the NT goes. Check it out for yourself. The apostles state that there is this Age, which was the Age relevant to THEIR lifetime, and then the Age to come, which is relevant to OUR lifetime and has be relevant since 70 AD. The Ages was the passing of the OT covenant into the NT Covenant. We are now in the eternal Covenant. Think about it like this, why do we need prophesy anymore? What on earth is left to tell? ...I'd be interested to know what you think the Holy Spirit is supposed to do "in" us. It seems to me that anything he is likely to do "in" me will probably manifest itself in some outward way - as a gift of the spirit.... Yes, the Holy Spirit, i.e. God IS in you. Your body is His temple and He dwells in you. And Paul tells us that Love is now the gift that remains. It is the only apt gift now when you think about it. You see, gifts like healing and prophesy were there to edify the early church, which desperately needed these things. Remember, Rome and Paganism was against it, but also the non Believing Jews were as well, which is equaling depressing. The early church needed something to show that it was the ONE true faith. Gifts provided that. Remember, all the prophets, and Jesus himself, could perform miracles. Why? To show that they were from God in a time of trouble. Now God IS here. Satan IS under our feet. Satan has been defeated, just like the Bible says. Gifts aren't needed anymore, we have full authority here. Now, we need to go spread the Gospel and tell the people the good news!! We win, because Christ won, just like the Bible tells us. Take care, SUEDE |
||||||
110 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93298 | ||
Well, I guess the question to ask is, why would gifts make you a first or upper class Christian? It wouldn't. Again, I'm a Preterist, so I view the Bible within in context of the 1st century. I wish more did, it makes more sense. God IS with us, now and forever. He never left. He's here, all around, so is the Kingdom of God. Too often we fail to recognize Him and it. If gifts can be done away with do to unbelief, are they really from God then? I wouldn't think so. Take care, | ||||||
111 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93177 | ||
Hi there, I think the reason that there's not "powerful works" as in gifts, is because they aren't available anymore, and have not been for a very long time. It was only til under 200 years ago that American churches started to bend towards more charsmatic views on the Bible. Sadly, it seems that study of the Word of God went away, and speaking in jibber jabber came in. This also seems to coincide with the rise of Dispensationalism, Cults like SDA, JWs, and Christian Zionism; none of which are Biblically supported. However, since people have stopped reading and studying the Bible, these things are "acceptable". I personally urge people to return to their Bibles and do some serious study. Leave "tongues" alone, and "healing" and Prophecy. This things have ceased, just like the Bible tells us. Take care, |
||||||
112 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93170 | ||
Yes, I read the verses, still they aren't matching up. We must remember, if we are "taught" something, it has to match up with the Bible. I am greatly bothered when someone reverts back to "this is what the Holy Spirit taught me" and it doesn't fit with the Bible. That "teaching" should be ignored then. If you desire to believe in gifts, that's fine, but I have never seen a Biblical proof from them past 70 AD. Gifts were for the early Church and ceased, just like Paul said they would. Take care, | ||||||
113 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 92947 | ||
DairyLeader5 I think part of the problem is you are confusing Faith with tongues or prophecy. You can't say faith is a spiritual gift and use that in an attempt to "prove" spiritual gifts. Is Grace a spritiual gift as well? Faith and Grace are seperate from tongues and prophecy and healings. You'll need better "proofs" to prove that gifts are valid for today. Take care, |
||||||
114 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 92822 | ||
Hi Dairyleader5, Thanks for writing me, I'll quote you by putting "" around your quotes. "Saying that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer needed, or just for the early Church, is the reason the gifts of the spirit are not being manifested in our churches today." This I disagree with. If merely saying they aren't needed can prevent them from being manifested, I think we need to question the reality of them then. "Which of these gifts do you say you have, according to some you cant have even faith, even thou it is a gift, so the people who say the gifts were only for the early church are mistaken." Faith is something different, it's not commonly considered a "spiritual" gift. Faith, like grace, is a gift from God. Personally when I mean spiritual gifts, I mean tongues, prophecy, healing, things more along those lines, not faith. "How many Churches have you been in that teach these gifts and how to recieve them?" None. Personally I would never attend a church that taught these things. That's fine if you wish to, I don't believe in fragmenting the church over non essentials like this, but personally I will never attend a church that has "gifts" such as tongues or prophecy. "The congregation doesnt know that these gifts are available." Well, then again we must ask, why not, if from God they should be evident. But they are not. Something to consider. "The gifts are not seen in the U.S. because the pastors have to believe they exsist." Again though, this is a pattern I'm seeing. If these gifts are from God, they would be evident regardless of what the pastor felt. I don't think the pastor has anything to with it. "The Bible says that these things will follow those who believe," Yes, that is in accordance with the Last Days, or end of the age, which being a Preterist I believe has already happened. Paul flat out tells the Corinthians that gifts are going to cease. "do you think that people are trying to follow gifts or are the signs follow the believer." I think people try to follow gifts. ", but all I wanted to say was be careful what you say about what the Bible say we can have." That's cool, and thanks for caring. Kindness is a sign of belief. Again though, being a Preterist I view the Bible within a 1st century context. Things spoken of in it, have passed, including gifts. However, if you are a believer, then that's enough for me. Again, I wouldn't try to curse you or say you are a heretic for believing in gifts, I just do not and have never seen a valid arguement for the continuation of them pass 70 AD. "In short these gifts are not manifested in churches because of unbelief." Or because they are no longer available. "God be with you." Amen, He is. Same to you, God is with you, take care, SUEDE |
||||||
115 | Problems with length of reigns of2 kings | 2 Kin 13:1 | Suede67 | 92762 | ||
seracher got it right, and let me add there is a book that deals with this topic called "The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings" by Edwin R. Thiele if you are interested in further reading. |
||||||
116 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 92758 | ||
Good question and you've gotten some good answers, but let me offer a little bit of a different view. I think your question is why aren't gifts like casting out demons and speaking tongues not evident today. Well, I'm a preterist and also a ceassionist, so let me give you an alternate take. I believe the things listed in Mark 16:17 and 18 were for a very specific time, namely til the end of the age. Now the question is, when was the end of the Age? Being a preterist I believe it was 70 AD ,that's another topic though. Another interesting verse is ACTS 2:17. This was an OT prophecy that would come true, most cite the day of Pentacost as the fulfillment of it. IF we understand that the Last Days were the passing out of the OT Laws into the Age of Grace, then this makes sense. If we see it as that, then 1 Corinthians 13:8 starts to make sense as well, "Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away." It seems that the "gifts" of the early church, were just that, gifts for the early church. They are not needed anymore, and are therefore not abound. Things that are stated Biblically to last forever are things like, love, the word of God and Jesus. Gifts are never, ever stated as lasting forever. The people of the church, their love, and the word of God, THIS is the power of the church. We just ignore its reality. Something to think about. Take care, SUEDE |
||||||
117 | John used the Book of Enoch? | 2 Tim 3:16 | Suede67 | 92245 | ||
Yes, the hands down best commentary is available on line, and in book form as well if you would rather have it on paper. It's "Days of Vengeance" by David Chilton. The best I've seen, and believe me, I've see a lot. See link below. Though not impossible that John saw and read the Book of Enoch, the only one that actually quotes it is Jude. Take care http://freebooks.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/2226_47e.htm |
||||||
118 | Eccl. 9:2-10 | Luke 23:43 | Suede67 | 92244 | ||
I'll be brief and then leave a link that will go more in depth if you wish to study this further, which I urge you to do. In short, the book of Ecclesiastes is a discourse told from the point of view of a man living without God. This is sometimes also known as proverbial literature, not too far off from what a parable is! Take care, http://www.tektonics.org/nopass.html |
||||||
119 | in ezra what was the law of moses?? | Ezra 3:2 | Suede67 | 92243 | ||
This is refering to what we sometimes call Levitical Law. In Ezra 3:2 we read that two sons and their brothers are building an altar and are giving an offering to God. This is no doubt done in accordance with the written "law" about offerings found in Leviticus, which was written down by Moses. Other sources list Deuteronomy 12:6 as a statement about Ezra 3:2 . Take care, | ||||||
120 | John the Baptist and Elijah | Matt 17:10 | Suede67 | 92239 | ||
There actually is a relationship there between Elijah and John the Baptist. We read this in Matthew 17:10-13 "10 And His disciples asked Him, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" 11 And He answered and said, "Elijah is coming and will restore all things; 12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13 Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist." |
||||||
Result pages: << First < Prev [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ] Next > Last [7] >> |