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101 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226245 | ||
Glenda, I reply to Ed's post but really this is meant for the original poster. I do so because I want to comment on Ed's point but I'm not really wanting to get into a debate on it. I simply would like the original poster to know that the teaching that Christ went to a subsection of Hades known as paradise in order to preach the gospel to those that are dead is certainly not an undisputed teaching of scripture. Incase it isn't obvious, I personally think its rooted in completely missunderstanding a few passages. If any wish to discuss the passages I am happy to, but for the moment I merely wish to make readers aware that the passages ought to be studied themselves so they can come to their own conclusions. In Christ, Beja |
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102 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226248 | ||
EdB, I find no scripture whatsoever saying that Christ went to Hades. Second, I find no passage in SCRIPTURE that teaches a two fold division of hell where once good dead people lived. Second, I find no passage in scripture whatsoever that teaches some great jail break from one of those sections of hell after individuals are already there. I find no passage in scripture that teaches dead people were later preached the gospel so that they could be saved. In contrast, I see scripture affirm that the old testament saints saw the promises of Christ from afar and believed. So in short, I question the entire line of thought from start to finish. You ask me to accept your entire elaborate notion of all these things and then once granting all of that, you then say how do I argue against a minor point? The problem is that I see no reason anywhere to think that any of it is more than our own imagination. In Christ, Beja |
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103 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226250 | ||
EdB, Its going to be hard to come to any real communication between us that is anything but us repeating our party lines unless we are willing to stop and evaluate points one at time and slowly. Therefore to that end, if you really want to analyze this with me, I will take the only passage of scripture you quoted and I will show you why I think it is utterly absurd to interpret it as if scripture is sugesting there is a location known as 'Abraham's Bosom.' Now, lets see Luke 16, what does it actually say? Luk 16:23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom." Now, it says he looked up and saw what? Abraham. He saw the person. Not a place called Abraham's bosom...he saw the person Abraham! If you have any doubts to this, read the rest of the passage and understand that he was speaking with whom? Abraham! So he saw the person, and he saw Lazarus in his bosom, in other words held to his side. The picture here is that he saw abraham holding and comforting Lazarus. So how on earth can you tell me that from this statement I must accept that this passage is teaching a place under the earth that is named Abraham's bosom, which was a temprory holding cell for righteous people until Christ come emptied them from the place called Abraham's bosom? I ask anybody with common sense to tell me this isn't a huge case of reading your pre-existing thoughts into the text. Indeed, this is your only passage! Everything else you bring is speculation by uninspired authors! If you want any address to the apostles creed, I refer you to John Calvin's address to itin the institutes of the Christian religion. So now, if you wish, debate my interpretation of Luke, or if you'd rather, put forward some other evidence for this elaborate view. But please, lets bring your evidence forward one piece at a time so that we might inspect the quality of the things you say. In Christ, Beja |
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104 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226257 | ||
EdB, You state: "I guess if you are going to summarily discount the Talmud and Jewish oral tradition that agrees with the description of Hades found in Luke 16" Response: I most certainly am going to dismiss it, and I feel you ought to give answer to my exegesis of Luke 16 before you just go on acting as if there is a parallel. You said: "...any further discussion on the subject is pointless." Response: Have you no scripture whatsoever then for these things you are teaching to young Christians? In Christ, Beja |
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105 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226266 | ||
EdB, I'm tempted to reply to several things you said in your last post. You always seem to assert your view all over again in the posts where you intend to move on. However, as per your wishes I will let it drop with only one exception that I feel I must correct. You said, "it is obvious to all that neither of us are going to change the others mind." However, I insist that whether it be this day or sometime down the road, I stand more than ready to recant and accept the teaching should you be able to show me that it has sound basis in the word of God. May God bless you as well. In Christ, Beja |
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106 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226288 | ||
EdB, You keep saying that in luke 16 "Jesus clearly painted a word picture of Hades." May I ask what specifically in that passage you would point to in order to prove that Jesus is speaking of two sections of Hell as oppossed to one person in Hell and another person in heaven being comforted by Abraham? In Christ, Beja |
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107 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226289 | ||
Thread, I can't help but to think about my own question, and what possible answers there might be in the passage. First I've shown clearly that the passages displays Abraham himself as being there. But if I recall at some point it was asked, how can one be IN another person's bosom? As if that would show that clearly a location must be meant by Abraham's bosom and not Lazarath being held to Abraham, the person's, side. Let's see if this holds up to scripture. Look with me at John 13:23 Here it is in the NASB Joh 13:23 There was reclining on Jesus' bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. Here again in young's literal Joh 13:23 And there was one of his disciples reclining (at meat) in the bosom of Jesus, whom Jesus was loving; I post YLT, because the NASB here has cleaned itup some for english. In the Greek both Luke16:23 and John 13:23 use the greek preposition en. It quite literally says that as they reclined there, John was "in" Jesus' bosom. However, quite clearly it meant laying upon his bosom, hence the NASB making it more understandable. So clearly "in his bosom" can very comfortably mean being held at Abraham's side. If this is not enough see these verses. Gen 16:5, Exo 4:6, Num 11:2, Ruth 4:16, 2 Sam 12:18, 1 Kin 1:2, 1 King 3:20, 1 King 17:19, Prov 6:27, Isa 40:11, Isa 49:22, Micah 7:5, Luke 6:38, John 1:18. I hope this shows conclusively that the word "in" is no reason to interpret Abraham's bosom as anything other than the man's bosom. However, lets see what Gill has to say. I dare say he's a man who knows Jewish thought quite well. Abraham's bosom is meant heaven, a phrase well known to the Jews, by which they commonly expressed the happiness of the future state: of Abraham's happy state they had no doubt; and when they spake of the happiness of another's, they sometimes signified it by going to Abraham. I know it might offend EdB that I continue the discussion after we called it off. Yet I feel that continuing to speak as if it is a given that luke is saying this deserves to be challenged, and that he should exegetically defend his interpretation of the passage before continuing to present it as a given. In Christ, Beja |
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108 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226291 | ||
EdB, So nothing whatsoever in the actual passage that you can point to. In Christ, Beja |
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109 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226294 | ||
EdB, You said: "First you believe Jesus wasn't the only way into heaven that there was another way." It was very ungracious of you to put words such as these into my mouth. You have your wish, I'll comment on this thread no further. In Christ, Beja |
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110 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226297 | ||
EdB, How about you follow the words "you said" with an actual quote or please just don't do it with reference to me if you can't. In Christ, Beja |
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111 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226301 | ||
EdB, I did what I ought to have done much sooner and I stepped away from the forum for some prayer. All is forgiven. However, I just ask that you will take care. Two posts in a row you stated that "I said" some things that are absolutely heretical. Namely that Abraham was saved apart from the cross of Christ and that there is some other way to salvation other than Christ. Both of these things I reject and if you look through my posts you will see that I never said either of them. Now I may have said some things which you believe start a train of thought that culminates in them, but never did I say any such thing. And I say now, I do not believe them nor do I believe my theology necessitates such views. Anyways, it is forgiven and from this point on with God's grace to help me no thought will be given to it again. Though I felt I should state it here so that you'd know what my feelings were offended over and more importantly so that any readers would know that I do not dare believe or teach such things. For my part I'm sorry as well, and God has certainly shown me that there are things I have done in the posts to help steer this thread to its current lack of edification for readers. In Christ, Beja |
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112 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226326 | ||
EdB, I agree with you that what you described is a horrible heresy, and I'm glad I've seen no sign of it in my church. However, I do believe that Christ was truely held up to Old Testament believers, though only in types and shadows. Now that Christ has come, the types and shadows pointing to him are done away with. This would be a lengthy bible study indeed, but I point you to Colossians. Col 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. It says that these things were a shadow of what was to come, and what was to come was Christ. So I believe we err should we say that the Old Testament was not truely pointing towards Christ. However, we also stray into error if we suggest they continue their work of displaying Christ after he has come. So I do believe that believers pre-newtestament had a faith in the Messiah, and I believe it was on this basis they were justified before God. How could we argue that they were not justified prior to the incarnation when God clearly names Abraham righteous because he believed in Genesis 15? And in Romans 4, Paul clearly portrays this declaration of righteousness as his justification, even the forgiveness of his sins. Now again, I deny wholely that his justification before God was apart from Christ and his work on the cross. For Jesus himself said that Abraham saw his day. Joh 8:56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." I do not mean to suggest that Abraham knew everything we do, things such as Christ's occupation as a carpenter, or even that he would be named Jesus, but clearly Abraham in Faith looked forward to see that God was bringing a redeemer to him, and how much more he knew would be a lengthy discussion. And I say that all forgiveness of sins that God has ever extended in any age was on the basis of the cross of Christ. I point to Romans for this. Rom 3:24-26 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. All past forgiveness was called due at the cross. So I boldly proclaim, while the OT saints did not have the clear revelation of Christ which we have today, they received forgiveness of sins through faith, and the forgiveness of their sins was purchased by the cross of Jesus Christ, and this not from some vague faith as in blindly trusting the good will of God, but faith in Jesus Christ the messiah as they trusted in promises from God for which Christ was the fulfillment and which was presented to them in past oracles of God through manifold means. And I deny entirely that this is the same as what the Jews do now in looking forward to some vague messiah that they imagine. For the pictures of Christ were only true in as much as they actually and truely pointed to Christ. Since Christ has now arrived there is nothing left in those old instituations, for regardless of whether their belief is sincere, the objects no longer truely point to any messiah to come because there is no messiah yet to come. For we are not judged or accepted on the sincerety of our faith, but the reliability of the object of our faith, Christ Jesus. In Christ, Beja |
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113 | What happens to Israel upon Christ's ret | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226617 | ||
artmo, The answer is here in this passage. 2Thess 1:6-10 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed. In Christ, Beja |
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114 | Why use "adequate" in 2 Tim 3:17 | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226908 | ||
rowdyreader, Greeting rowdy. "all that is needed to complete a task" is just about exactly the definition of the word adequate. Now when you and I use that word, we probably are thinking along the lines of "the absolute minimum to be enough." However, that isn't actually part of the definition of the word. It just means sufficient for what is needed, without the negative connotation. In Christ, Beja |
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115 | Have we been asleep? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226920 | ||
I don't mean to disagree with your thoughts, but I am not sure this is bible study. In Christ, Beja |
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116 | Have we been asleep? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226936 | ||
Justme, I wouldn't disagree with what you are saying. But your post discussed none of those things. It did not conrast statements of the Q'uran with scripture, it didn't discuss verses used for witnesing with muslims, it didn't show how to scripturally or apologetically defend the faith. It wasn't the "deep bible study so one can defend their faith" you are saying you reccommend. Any of that would be wonderful. But rather it was just a vague post to watch out for muslims, with no actual question, left to sit on the unanswered question section. I do not mean to scold you, but that is simply outside the scope of what this forum is meant for, which is studying scripture, so I responded to bump it down. In Christ, Beja |
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117 | How to treat non-believers? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 227047 | ||
Camellia, This would be my guess. The information you give is far to little for anything but a guess though. I wish I could answer with certainty. Rom 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. In Christ, Beja |
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118 | FIG TREE | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 227062 | ||
Legsrandall, There is more than one parable concerning a fig tree, you would have to specify which one. In Christ, Beja |
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119 | what has to happen | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 227094 | ||
legsrandal, First, the gospel must be preached to the whole world. Mat 24:14 "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come. Second, the antiChrist must first come which is accompanyied by a great apostasy. 2Th 2:1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2Th 2:2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 2Th 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. In Christ, Beja |
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120 | Is loving yourself by masturbating wrong | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 227128 | ||
I think using the search feature might get you a reasonable bit of discussion on this. | ||||||
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