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1 | what is baptism | Not Specified | kin | 25320 | ||
What verse(s) in the Bible define what baptism is or means for the sinner/beleiver? |
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2 | Eternal Security? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 15764 | ||
Hey Tim, Those are some great scriptures! I am one of those in the forum that believe that you can walk away from God and lose your salvation. So when I read these scriptures I take them for what they say."if you hold firmly";"if you continue in your faith";"not moved from the hope"; "be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure". There are many more scriptures that teach these things. They by no means teach that we can be saved by "works". Works are something you do to earn something. Nothing I can do will make up for my sin. The only way the wall of sin comes down is through the blood of Christ. And that is not my doing that is the arm of God. So God has done his part for man. Given man a way to life. Do all get life? Only those that choose it. And that by faith. It is funny that so many say you can't choose to leave God. You choose life or death when the word is preached to you, so why,after you have recieved life, does God take away your freewill to choose? He doesn't! Where is the ability to love when the will of choice is taken away? God does not force us to love him or we would just be like puppets. In my marriage I want my wife to love me, to choose to love me. What kind of relationship would we have if I forced her to stay married to me? I believe that the sacrifice on the cross COMPELS me to love God. I believe that Gods mercy COMPELS me to stay faithful. Many things compel me to do Gods will, but nothing can force me. Know what I mean? If you ask me what eternal security is, it is simply Gods promise that there will be a reward when this life is over. There are a lot of scriptures written to the christians during their time of persecution in Rome. Some were there watching their chilren being fed to the lions. Some watched their loved ones tortured and killed. And all because they wouldn't deny christ as Lord and confess Ceasar as Lord. If they couldn't lose their salvation, why would these christians stand by and watch these things happen to their loved ones? When all it would take is a simple word to chage the minds of those killing and torturing. They held firmly to their confession of Jesus, they stood by and watched their belongings taken, their loved ones killed because they new that "if they held firm" they would recieve the eternal life promised them. That, my friend, is faith. I have so much to say on this subject. Consider James 2:14-26. "faith without deeds is dead". I wonder what the church in Corinth would have been like if the christians didn't repent of their "sexual immorality"? Can we live a sinful life and not harden our hearts towards God? Our deeds reflect our faith. Or consider the parable of the sower ( Mark 4). vs.21 trouble and persecution causes a falling away. vs. 22 worries, deciefullness of wealth and desire for other things choke out the word. If we don't gaurd our hearts against the things of the world, we can be drawn away and enticed. " be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion waiting for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith," 1 Peter 4:8-9 We are forgiven of our sins but satan is still out there. Our shelter from him is Jesus! So we have a choice to make everyday. Do we walk the narrow path or do we take the road most traveled, the easy road to destruction? I wish I could say more on this subject, but I am out of time. I look foward to hearing from you Tim. Kin P.S.- I know a Tim Moran in N.H. Where do you live? |
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3 | Where is the answer to these verses? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 15966 | ||
Hey Tim, I never got a response to my comment to you. Was I too long winded? Did I come across the wrong way? I apologize if I did and would like to hear some more of what you think and have further disscussion. Kin |
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4 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 15969 | ||
Tigerman, Do you think we continue to have freewill after we are saved? The choice to leave God? Kin |
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5 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 15970 | ||
Where does it say in the Bible that baptism is a "symbol"? | ||||||
6 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 15972 | ||
The scripture says Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."[2] 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died Paul said that "once I was alive apart from the law." I have to wonder when sin sprang to life in Paul. It seems to me Paul is referring to an age when he became accountable; when he understood what the law said. Children don't understand the law. You can testify yourself if you have seen a baby or a toddler how innocent they are. I won't say when the age of accountability is, but a guess would be around the preteen years. (my son is a preteen!)They are going through all sorts of physical, psycological, and mental changes. So I would say a child is saved up to their age of accountability. Their ability to choose Jesus or not. And only God knows that time. |
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7 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 15973 | ||
If baptism has nothing to do with getting to heaven then why does Paul write in Rom. 6: What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with,[1] that we should no longer be slaves to sin-- 7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him Paul states clearly that we are buried with christ through baptism into death and raised with him to a new life. He says we need to die with him to live with him, and baptism is the place this takes place. |
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8 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 16610 | ||
"there is one baptism" Eph. 4:5 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"[6] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. Acts 836-38 Show me where the bible makes a difference between water baptism and being baptized into the body? The eunuch was baptized with water. There is no mention of a "sinners prayer" or of confession, in which many declare is the only thing needed. So how else was the eunuch baptized into Christ? Why do people get baptized at all? Please show me where this is taught in the scriptures. |
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9 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 16615 | ||
Hi Tim, Thank you for your response. Upon reading 1 Peter 3:21 I would have to say that the symbol is not the baptism, but the symbol is the water from the flood. who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge[5] of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Peter says Noah was saved through the water, (which was an act of obedience). This water (the flood waters) symbolizes baptism that now saves us.(vs. 21). When I think of water baptism saving us, I have to agree. It is a command of God ( Acts 2:38, Matt. 28:18-20 etc.) Consider 2 Kings 5:1-14. Naaman was cleansed from his leprosy only because he obeyed. If he didn't dip himself into the river would he have been cleansed? No. Did the water cleanse him? No. But that was the command given by God so Naaman did it, as much as it didn’t make sense to him! If we can understand this illistration we can understand how our water baptism saves us because it is an act of obedience. Will we be saved if we don't obey this command to be baptized? I don't think we would be saved any more than Naaman would have been healed if he didn't obey. Wow! I can really get into this stuff. I hope you would put up with me! I am interested in hearing what you think. And I hope we can talk about this (very controversial issue) in good spirits. I haven’t been so lucky as yet on this forum. I have deep convictions on what I believe, but there is the need for me to repent in the way I come across. And I need to get back to those I might of run over with my words and make amends. I want this forum to be a source of truth and not hostility. So if I get going on an issue, let me know if what I say is not with the “gentleness and respect” 1 Peter 3:15 teaches us. Thankx, Kin |
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10 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 16873 | ||
CDBJ, Jesus has the authority to forgive sins on earth. When he was alive he forgave people. Baptism is the participation of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. ( Rom. 6:1-9) Did you read the scripture I wrote to you? Jesus was alive on the cross when he forgave the thief’s sins. It wasn’t until he died did the new covenant get established. Which is evident in the tearing of the curtain of the temple, the earthquake, etc. That is why he replied in his last words “it is finished”. He came to do what he was born to do. To die and give us a way to life. So I would say that no, Jesus did not make a mistake. Kin |
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11 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 16878 | ||
Hey Tim, Good to hear from you. Thanks for your heart to want to look into this with me. I certainly have a lot of scriptures to share, but I believe that this discussion could go on for some time. I’ve studied a lot about the opposition to baptism and I have found that there is much bias on the doctrine of belief that shuts off the doctrine of obedience. I believe in both. My stance is that you need to start with belief in Christ (Heb. 11:6 ) and obey his teachings (1 John 2:3). John 8:31-32 is a great scripture to prove this. Jesus here was talking to the Jews who had “believed in him”. He told them that they would know the truth if they held to his teachings. Heb. 11 is a good chapter to study. These people obeyed God because they believed in Him. Gods example of Naaman in 2 Kings 5 is another great scripture on combining belief with action. So about baptism. Jesus commanded it. Matt 28:18-20; Mark 16:16;John 3:5(which is a debate within itself);Peter commands it. Acts 2:38. Paul talks about it throughout his letters. Rom. 6:1-9; 1 Cor. 1:13; Gal. 3:26-27;Eph. 4:4-6 (note: “one baptism”); Col 2:12 The book of Acts has many great examples. 2:41;8:36-38;22:16. Again, I know that there are a lot of scriptures that will give a good argument against baptism, which in length I believe we can come to agreement on, but where does that leave all these scriptures and many others I didn’t get a chance to look up? Look forward to hearing from you Tim. Kin |
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12 | Where on the ladder of experience? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 16956 | ||
CDBJ, Thank you for your response! I have believed since my conversion that I am going to heaven. That’s not to say that I don’t wrestle with the issue on occasion. But those are the times that I’m not in the word everyday and maintaining a good prayer life. Satan uses those times in my life to instill fear and doubt. But on those occasions I talk to my brothers and get back on my knees and pray and study out the issues that make me struggle and God makes things clear again. Sometimes it takes longer than other times to work through things but ultimately I know that God has promised me life if I stay faithful to Him. And that always has pulled me through. Kin |
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13 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 16960 | ||
Hey Tim, Great points made. I tend to agree with you that our salvation produces good works and that works cannot save us. I also agree that there is a point in our life when we cross over from life to death, not a “growing into”. As Peter states “But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.” There are clearly two options: being a people, not being a people; receiving mercy, not receiving mercy. Light and darkness. Paul makes it clear when this process takes place. Rom. 6:1-9 “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, [1] that we should no longer be slaves to sin-- because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him “. Paul states that we live “a new life”. He gives us insight into what actually is taking place in our conversion. I don’t think you would argue this point with me. There is a point where one needs to make a decision. Some say “accept Christ into your heart”. My belief is to make the decision to obey the command to “repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins”(Acts 2:38) That is the place where I believe “obeying the commands” comes into place and salvation is gained. From that point on we are compelled to obey the rest of the commands out gratitude for our salvation. So it is not obeying the commands that saves us but rather obeying initially THE command .But now the debatable part comes in. What is this baptism that we participate in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ? Eph. 4: 4-6 tells us that there is only “one baptism”. I would say that this one baptism is not the outpouring of the spirit on the day of Pentecost. (That is a whole other topic we can discuss later.) When we study the book of Acts the baptisms we see are water baptism, with one or two exceptions (which can be part of the “Pentecost topic” I would like to discuss.) SOOO, my question is (and I think I wrote this before and you replied to it under the “unapprised children” topic) if baptism isn’t water baptism (which I obviously lean towards) then what is it and where are the scriptures to show it? P.S.- Read 2 Kings 5 and you will see that Naaman was cured of his leprosy because he obeyed God and dipped himself into the Jordan. Did the water actually cure him? I say that it did in the sense that if he didn’t obey God and go to the water he wouldn’t have been cured. There was a reason God wanted Naaman to go into the water, and I believe the same principle applies to our water baptism. The water it doesn’t save us but if we don’t obey the command of God we have failed to make THE decision to cross over from life to death. (And I add, that only by God giving us the opportunity through His Grace). I look forward to discussing this further, Kin |
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14 | Where on the ladder of experience? | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 17024 | ||
CDBJ, Thanks for the reccomendation. I will keep it mind next time I am at the book store. And how about your feelings on going to heaven? Kin |
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15 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 17025 | ||
Tim, Thank you for your response. I would like to agree with you on this subject. But you need to give me some clear scriptures to prove it. The Acts 2:38 debate doesn’t convince me. “repent AND be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” tells me why I need to be baptized. No other scripture tells me to be baptized for any other reason (after the new covenant was established). The scripture also does not tell us to “confess”. Does that nullify the need to confess Jesus as Lord? Gal. 3:26-27 “ You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.” Here Paul says we are sons through faith and he goes on to tell us that when we were baptized we put on Christ. Does it not take faith to believe you are participating in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ at baptism? (Rom. 6:1-9) I have brought up Naaman time and time again because to understand what cured Naaman is to understand what saves us. He was cured by his faith. But without the water he wasn’t cured. A faith saying that if I do what God commands I will be cured. If we can’t find in the scriptures the reason for baptism other than for “the forgiveness of sins…” we would be like Naaman saying (faithlessly) “ But Naaman went away angry and said, "I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than any of the waters of Israel? Couldn't I wash in them and be cleansed?" So he turned and went off in a rage.” Naaman wanted to do what was logical to him and not simply obey through faith. A couple things I would ask of you. 1- Where in the scriptures does it teach the reason people need to be baptized? 2- What is your opinion on the 2 Kings passage? Talk to you soon, Kin |
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16 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 17197 | ||
Hey Tim, Great thoughts. There is a lot to talk about! I will do it as orderly as possible, starting with the easier ones first and hopefully able to get to everything (I’m a slow typer!) 1- The thief on the cross. Jesus said he has the authority to forgive sins on the earth. Luke 5:24. The reason the thief didn’t need to be baptized was that baptism is the participation in the “death, burial and resurrection of Christ.” Part of the new covenant. Jesus hadn’t died yet. There was no death to participate in. That is why his last words were “it is finished”. That is when the curtain of the temple was torn in two, showing the end of the old covenant. 2- Acts 10:47-The people that received the spirit were the Gentiles (vs. 47). Chapter 11 sheds some light on this issue. "As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. Then I remembered what the Lord had said: John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?" When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life." When Peter and the Apostles received the Spirit at Pentacost, they didn’t know how or when they would receive the Spirit. They were just hanging out per order of Jesus (Luke 24:49). It came upon them suddenly. When this same event happened to the Gentiles (see 11:15; note “at the beginning”), the “circumcised believers were astonished” because no one but “Jews” had received the Spirit up till that point. When we read chap. 10 we see that neither Peter (vs. 29) or Cornelius (vs.33) knew why each other was coming. It was Gods plan to usher in the Gentiles into the Kingdom of God (11:18). |
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17 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 17198 | ||
cont. When you consider that the outpouring of the Spirit like this only happens these two times, Acts 10:47 as a opponent against baptism is not a strong argument. 3-Matt. 28:18-20- If you say that baptizing is an initiation rite into the church then teaching them to obey everything also would have to be an initiation rite (“baptize..and teach”) . It’s not clear enough to me to stand on. If we look at Mark 16:16 we see that Jesus says that those who “believe and are baptized will be saved”. This teaching from Mark would have to be what Matt. teaches or we would have contradiction in the scriptures. 3- I would say Jesus didn’t teach about baptism that much (until just before his accention and through his spirit given at Pentecost ;see John 16:12-13) because Jesus spent his ministry training the heart to love. The need to be baptized doesn’t arise until his death. Why teach it? That obligation was given to the Apostles to teach and that was the first message given. To be baptized is a simple command to follow, Jesus spent his time training the people how to change through love and mercy and teaching them about himself. Something that needed much time to be taught (see John 14:9). I see Jesus taught about baptism in its proper time and through channels he chose to. 4- Lets look at 1 Peter 3:21. “and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also- not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a good conscience towards God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” This scripture says a lot about baptism. a) it saves us; as the water that flooded the earth saved Noah and his family (vs. 20). b) it is our pledge of a clear conscience towards God. c) and most importantly, it saves us by the resurrection of Jesus. Which ties in with what Paul says in Rom. 6:1-9 5- You also referred to Rom. 6:1-9. But it mentions nowhere in this passage that baptism is symbolic. It actually stress’s the fact that during baptism we are participating directly with Christs death, burial and resurrection. Paul states in vs. 4 “don’t you know that all of us who are baptized into Christ are baptized into his death?” It says we are united with him, crucified with him, died with him and being freed from our sins. Compare Gal. 3:26-27 “You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who are baptized into Christ have clothed yourself with Christ.” And Col. 2:12 “having been buried with him through baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God who raised him from the dead.” These passages show baptism to be a direct participation with happened on the cross when all our sins were forgiven. These scriptures teach a clear definition of what baptism is. If you can show me anything that teaches specifically that baptism is a “symbol” or a “rite of initiation” than I would certainly want to hear it. But I stand at these convictions, my friend, until I see these things. Which I hope you can understand. I think that there needs to be a lot of study (on both our parts) to understand how all these passages we are sharing with each other all work together, because they should. I will pray that we can both come to the truth of this matter. I trust God will do so. Kin |
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18 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 17295 | ||
Hi Tim, If there is anything I have come to learn from this discussion is that I need to “be prepared to give a answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.” Our talks have raised a lot of good questions and I need to do some indepth study on this subject. I am not convinced baptism doesn’t have a crucial part in our salvation, because I have never been shown from the word why people are baptized otherwise. But at the same time I am challenged to find out the truth to the many questions arisen. My hope is that you don’t turn a dull ear to the idea of baptism being crucial, because this is a deep subject worth investigating. And the consequences are of eternal importance. So for now I am going to invest my time in study, so when I come back to the forum I can discuss this matter with more wisdom. Be back soon! Thanks again, Kin |
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19 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 17856 | ||
I. THERE IS ONE BAPTISM A. THE BIBLE DOES DESCRIBE MANY BAPTISMS... 1. At the very least there are six... a. The baptism of Moses (Israel) - 1 Co 10:1-2 b. The baptism of John, a baptism in water - Mk 1:4-5 c. The baptism of the Holy Spirit - Mt 3:11; Lk 3:16; Ac 1:5 2:1-4; 10:44,45; 11:15-16 f. The baptism of fire (judgment) - Mt 3:11; Lk 3:16,17 d. The baptism of suffering (persecution) - Mt 20:20-33; Lk 12:50 e. The baptism of the Great Commission, which was a baptism in water - Mt 28:19; Mk 16:15-16; Ac 2:38; 8:12-13,35-38;10:47-48; 22:16 2. Some include two more... a. The baptism of Noah, metaphorically speaking, which involved water - 1 Pe 3:20 b. The baptism of Jesus, which involved water and the Spirit - Mt 3:16-17 B. THERE IS NOW JUST ONE BAPTISM... 1. In describing the unity of the Spirit... a. Paul proclaims there is one baptism - Ep 4:3-7 b. Just as there is only one Lord, one faith, one hope, etc. 2. To which of the six (or eight) baptisms was Paul referring? a. I believe we can safely rule out all but two b. The issue boils down to this: Is the one baptism of Ep 4:5... 1) The baptism of the Holy Spirit? 2) The baptism of the Great Commission? -- Or might there actually be a connection between these two, with the end result there being one baptism with two elements, water and the Spirit? [Whichever, we cannot have two or more baptisms; there is only one baptism! Now let me explain why regarding the one baptism...] II. IT IS THE BAPTISM OF THE GREAT COMMISSION A. WHY THE BAPTISM OF THE GREAT COMMISSION? 1. This is the baptism... a. Commanded by Jesus 1) For people of all nations - Mk 28:19 2) For every person in the world - Mk 16:15-16 b. Commanded by the apostles in response to the gospel 1) As proclaimed to the Jews at Pentecost - Ac 2:38 2) As commanded by Peter to the Gentiles - Ac 10:48 -- Indeed, every example of conversion described in detail in the book of Acts involves this baptism! 2. If there is only one baptism... a. It must involve this one, for it is commanded of all who would come to Christ! b. Otherwise we must throw it out (as some have done) B. WHAT ABOUT THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT? 1. This is a difficult subject, about which the Bible actually says very little... a. John promised that Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit - Mt 3:11 b. Jesus promised that He would baptize with the Holy Spirit - Ac 1:5 c. But the baptism of the Holy Spirit is then explicitly mentioned in just three places 1. At the conversion of Cornelius - Ac 10:44-45; 11:15-16 a. Which reminded Peter of Pentecost - Ac 11:15-16; 2:1-4 2. This has led to much confusion about what the baptism of the Spirit is... a. Some say that it was an event that occurred only twice 1) On the day of Pentecost, and only upon the apostles - Ac 2 2) At the conversion of Cornelius and his household, the first Gentiles - Ac 10,11 b. Some say it is an event that occurs at every conversion 1) When a person is saved, they are that moment "baptized" with the Holy Spirit 2) Occurs to all who become Christians, and no miraculous manifestations need be present c. Others say it is an event that occurs after conversion 1) A "second work of grace" that must be sought diligently 2) Many people understand "speaking in tongues" to be a sign of this "baptism of the Holy Spirit" 3) Some even say that it is necessary to be truly saved 3. I am persuaded the baptism of the Holy Spirit... a. Refers to the pouring out of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost - Ac 2:1-21 b. Was a one-time event, but with ramifications lasting throughout the gospel age 1) In which the Holy Spirit is now available in some way to all whom God calls through the gospel - 2 Th 2:13-14; Tit 3:7 2) For those who receive the Spirit, the Spirit then empowers whom He wills to the degree He wills - 1 Co 12:4-13 a) For the servants of God used in the revelation and confirmation of His Word, the Spirit imparted "spiritual gifts" (this work of the Spirit was temporary, and ended once God's revelation was completed) b) For all of the servants of God, the Spirit serves as the "instrumental agent" by which God strengthens and blesses them (this work of the Spirit continues today, and will until Christ returns) (see cont.) |
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20 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 17857 | ||
CONT..... -- This view presumes that one receives the Spirit at baptism(see below) - Ac 2:38-39; 1 Co 12:13; Ti 3:5-7 4. So while at first there may be have been two baptisms spoken of by Jesus... a. The baptism of the Great Commission - Mt 28:19; Mk 16:15-16 b. The baptism of the Spirit - Ac 1:5 ...once the Spirit was poured out, only "one baptism" remained, which was that baptism commanded of people in every nation! [Having declared the "baptism of the Holy Spirit" a promise that was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost,let me emphasize concerning the "baptism of the Great Commission"...] III. IT INVOLVES BOTH WATER AND THE SPIRIT A. THAT IT INVOLVES WATER... 1. Is evidenced by conversion of the Ethiopian - Ac 8:35-38 2. Is made clearer by the command of Peter - Ac 10:47-48 3. Is alluded to by Paul and Peter in their epistles - Ep 5:26; 1 Pe 3:20-21 B. THAT IT INVOLVES THE SPIRIT... 1. Is indicated when Jesus declared that one must be "born again"- Jn 3:3-5 a. To be born "of water and the Spirit" b. Not two births, but one birth with two elements (water and Spirit) 2.Is made clearer when Paul wrote to Titus - Ti 3:5-6 a. God saved us "through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit" b. That washing (a clear allusion to baptism) involved a regeneration and renewing of the Spirit! 3. Is seen in Paul's remarks to the Corinthians - 1 Co 12:13 a. By the Spirit were we baptized into the one body b. In baptism, the Spirit not only regenerates, but incorporates us into the body of Christ! [The baptism of the Great Commission is more than just an immersion in water. At the moment the penitent believer is lowered into the water the Spirit is very much at work in renewing, regenerating, and incorporating us into the Body of Christ. In other words...] (see cont.) |
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