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1 | 2 corn. 4:4 the god of this world hath b | 2 Cor 4:1 | victorA | 136652 | ||
1) god of this world--The worldly make him their God (Phi_3:19). He is, in fact, "the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that ruleth in the children of disobedience" (Eph_2:2). “A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments,” by respected Biblical scholars and Drs. R. Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and D. Brown of Great Britain 2) They are under the influence and power of the devil, who is here called the god of this world, and elsewhere the prince of this world, because of the great interest he has in this world, the homage that is paid to him by multitudes in this world, and the great sway that, by divine permission, he bears in the world, and in the hearts of his subjects, or rather slaves. And as he is the prince of darkness, and ruler of the darkness of this world, so he darkens the understandings of men. Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible (1662 - 1714) 3) There can be no doubt that Satan is here designated by this appellation; though some of the fathers supposed that it means the true God, and Clarke inclines to this opinion. Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible (1798-1870) 4) I must own I feel considerable reluctance to assign the epithet (ha theos), The God, to Satan; and were there not a rooted prejudice in favor of the common opinion, the contrary might be well vindicated, viz. that by the God of this world the supreme Being is meant, who in his judgment gave over the minds of the unbelieving Jews to spiritual darkness, so that destruction came upon them to the uttermost. Satan, it is true, has said that the kingdoms of the world and their glory are his, and that he gives them to whomsoever he will. Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible (1715-1832) 6) “The god of this world. See Joh_12:31, Joh_12:40; Phi_3:19. Satan is called the prince of this world, and the god of this world. By his devices he blinds the eyes of men so they should not see the light of gospel.” The People's New Testament (1891) by B. W. Johnson 7) “If then this revelation was hidden, it was in the case of those who were lost, whose minds were blinded by the god of this world, lest the light of the good news of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine into their hearts.” Synopsis of the Old and New Testaments John Nelson Darby (1800 - 1882) 8) 2Co 4:4 - “The God of this world - What a sublime and horrible description of Satan! He is indeed the god of all that believe not, and works in them with inconceivable energy. Hath blinded - Not only veiled, the eye of their understanding.” John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible God defined: A) 1. The Supreme Being; Jehovah; the eternal and infinite spirit, the creator, and the sovereign of the universe. God is a spirit; and they that worship him, must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4. 2. A false god; a heathen deity; an idol. Fear not the gods of the Amorites. Judg 6. 3. A prince; a ruler; a magistrate or judge; an angel. Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people. Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English B) theos Thayer Definition: 1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities 2) the Godhead, trinity 2a) God the Father, the first person in the trinity 2b) Christ, the second person of the trinity 2c) Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity 3) spoken of the only and true God 3a) refers to the things of God 3b) his counsels, interests, things due to him 4) whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way 4a) God’s representative or vice regent 4a1) of magistrates and judges |
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2 | 2 corn. 4:4 the god of this world hath b | 2 Cor 4:1 | victorA | 136650 | ||
Hi Tim, I’ve read your posts very carefully and what you say simply is not true. Your reasoning is not sound. No matter how you try and “twist”, the loving Creator would not blind anyone for any reason. The theos referred to in 2 Cor 4:4 is the same one mentioned at 1 John 5:19, which says: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” And surely one cannot ignore what the leading respected Bible scholars by both you and I, understand this verse to mean. I feel it apropos to mention that allowing one’s preconceived ideas to sway one’s thinking can easily prevent one from drawing accurate conclusions. Respected in virtually all theological circles, John Wesley, considers it a horrible description of even Satan much less Jehovah God! Undoubtedly, 2 Cor. 4:4 is an example of the Bible’s use of “theos” clearly making application to Satan. Satan is a creation of the Almighty Theos who turned evil. Nonetheless, Satan is identified by the Almighty Theos as a “theos” but of course, not the Almighty theos since there is only “one” Almighty theos that is to be worshipped as such. At 1 Cor. 8:4-6 Paul says, “Now concerning the eating of foods offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called ‘gods,’ whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords,’ there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him.” To Paul and the first-century Christians, true religion was not the worship of many gods, not polytheism,(not of Jesus as Almighty God and also the Father as Almighty God) but was devotion to only “one God the Father,” whose name the Bible reveals when it says: “That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18. Let’s not forget that the Bible teaches that the spirit creature who transformed himself into Satan the Devil was originally one of those “sons of God” or one of those “godlike ones,” one of those elohim (Bible designated “gods“). Also the spirits that became demons under Satan were once numbered among those “godlike ones” (and again the Bible uses “gods”). So it is no remarkable thing that the apostle Paul calls Satan “the god of this world,” or that he says that the pagan nations have made the spirit demons their gods and offer sacrifice to them.—2 Cor. 4:4; 1 Cor. 10:20, 21, Authorized Version. Again stop ignoring what Paul said: “Though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many)”; but Paul was not teaching polytheism thereby. For he added: “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” (1 Cor. 8:5, 6, AV) We worship the same God that the Lord Jesus Christ worships, and that is the “one God, the Father.” This worship we render to him through the Son of God, our “one Lord Jesus Christ and mighty theos (not Almighty theos) as Isaiah 9:6 makes application to Jesus Christ. How can you ignore our leading Hebrew Lexicons when they say that Psalms 89:6 makes application to angels as “gods” using the Hebrew word “el” according to Strong’s and other Hebrew Lexicons. -Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity): - God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.” Psalm 8:5, the angels are also referred to as ´elo·him´, as is confirmed by Paul’s quotation of the passage at Hebrews 2:6-8. They are called beneh´ ha·´Elo·him´, “sons of God” (KJ); “sons of the true God” (NW), at Genesis 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; 2:1. Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros, by Koehler and Baumgartner (1958), page 134, says: “(individual) divine beings, gods.” And page 51 says: “the (single) gods,” and it cites Genesis 6:2; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Hence, at Psalm 8:5 ´elo·him´ is rendered “angels” (LXX); “godlike ones” (NW). |
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3 | Proverbs 8 Wisdom Equals Jesus | Prov 8:22 | victorA | 129368 | ||
Translations that properly translate Proverbs 8:22 1. Rotherham 1897 ............................................................... “constituted” and “created” 2. Jerusalem Bible 1966 (Catholic) ..................................... “created” 3. Berkeley Version 1963 (Baptist) ..................................... “made” 4. Revised Standard Version 1952 .......................................“created’ 5. New English Bible 1970 ................................................. “created” 6. Living Bible 1971 ........................................................... “formed” 7. Thomson’s Septuagint 1808 ............................................ “created” 8. Brenton’s Septuagint 1879 ...............................................“created” 9. Confraternity of Christian Doctrine 1955 (Catholic) .......“created” 10. Jewish Publ. Society 1955 .............................................“made” 11. Leeser, I. (Jewish) .........................................................“created” 12. Today’s English Version (A.B.S.) 1972 ....................... “created” 13. Basic Bible 1950 .......................................................... “made” 14. Lamsa, G.M. 1957 ........................................................ “created” 15. Restoration of the Original Sacred Name Bible 1970 .. “constitute” 16. Byington, S.T. 1972 ..................................................... “framed” and “constitute” 17. Fenton. F. 1903 ............................................................ “framed” and “constitute” 18. Knox, R. 1956 (Catholic) ............................................. “made” 19. Confraternity Version (Catholic) 1963 ..........................“begot” 20. Moffatt, J. 1950 ............................................................ “formed” 21. Amplified Bible 1965 .................................................. “formed” 22. American Standard Version 1901 ................................. footnote - “formed” 23. Revised Version 1898 .................................................. footnote - “formed” 24 Moulton, R.G. 1914 ...................................................... “formed” 25. Kent, C.F. (Shorter Bible) 1922 .................................. “formed” 26. New World Translation 1963 ......................................“produced” 27. Goodspeed 1963 ........................................................ “formed” and “fashioned” 28. Common Bible ........................................................... “created” and “set-up” 29. New American Bible 1970 (Catholic) ....................... “begot” and “Firstborn” 30. BECK, W. F. ...............................................................“Became my Father “ (PREFACES with the sub-heading - “God’s Son”) In Addition: The Greek word for "Created" is EKTISEN (#2936). It is used at Mark 13:19; 1Tim 4:3 and Revelation 10:6. The Septuagint uses this word only once in Proverbs, and that is at chapter 8 verse 22. PS You may email me at varnold@id7.com for the reasons why these scholars translate as they do. victorA |
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4 | Jehovah's Witness Question | Bible general Archive 2 | victorA | 124934 | ||
Hello Emmaus, Thank you for responding to me. Please explain "begotten not made" to me a bit more if you can before I can comment on your question to me. |
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5 | Jehovah's Witness Question | Bible general Archive 2 | victorA | 124901 | ||
Wow, Steve you answered all of them exactly as I would have. And thanks for responding. Now let's see what the Catholic thinking is. |
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6 | Jehovah's Witness Question | Bible general Archive 2 | victorA | 124897 | ||
Hi Emmaus, Would you answer a few questions for me? 1) How would you define angel? 2) How would you define archangel? 3) Is Jesus the "only begotten god" of Jehovah as John 1:18 says? 4) Is Jesus the "only begotten son" of Jehovah? 5) How many heavenly sons does Jehovah God have? 6) Was Satan a son of God before he rebelled? A highly controversial new book published in England challenges the traditional Church teaching that Jesus is God. Entitled “The Myth of God Incarnate,” the book’s authors, seven noted British theologians, argue that Jesus was not God in human form but “a man approved by God” for a special role. In a section of the book, Frances Young, lecturer at Birmingham University, suggested that the doctrine of the incarnation of Christ was adopted by the early church through a fusion of pagan and Jewish traditions. Have you read the book? Jehovah's Witnesses are misunderstood and certainly are Christians. I personally talk to hundereds of Catholics and Protestants regularly and most do not believe what the Trinity is either. Their leaders may but they tell me they don't. Thank you Emmaus. |
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7 | jehovahs witnesses | Bible general Archive 2 | victorA | 124796 | ||
Hi podaricon, It's interesting that George Plagenz, a U.S. religion columnist, wrote about his experiences with Witnesses: “To paraphrase [American humorist] Will Rogers, who said he had never met a man he didn’t like, I have never met a Jehovah’s Witness I haven’t liked.” Then Plagenz quoted the Irish author Alan Bestic: “The rank-and-file of this much-abused movement are gregarious, cheerful and happy people. At their international assembly in London [England], I was treated with the utmost kindness, gentle courtesy and genuine friendliness by every Witness I met.” Plagenz says that former aggressive door-to-door methods of some Witnesses created a lot of ill will. “But most of that has changed.” Then he quotes a Witness spokesman: “Most who are Witnesses today once slammed the door in the face of a Witness caller.” Why is there a more positive response nowadays? “It is beginning to dawn on people . . . that there is no human solution to the enormous problems the world faces.” Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the only complete answer to mankind’s problems is indicated in Jesus’ prayer: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.” (Matthew 6:9, 10) Rulership by God’s Kingdom, acknowledged by an obedient and meek human family, is the only solution to the violence and hatred presently racking the world. VictorA |
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8 | "Least in the kingdom of God"? | Matt 11:11 | victorA | 122846 | ||
Greetings to you Angel, Your question asks me, "How can God be the least in Heaven?" I don't know. I don't know how either God or Jesus can be the least in Heaven. What's the answer? |
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9 | "Least in the kingdom of God"? | Matt 11:11 | victorA | 122712 | ||
Greeting to you Hank, I'm glad you asked, and my answer is certainly. I've been a witness of Jehovah since 1959. Before that I was in the air force and it was then that I decided I would search for God. I looked into dozens of religions and what the witnesses had was the best I could come up with out there. I personally don't like to argue the Bible or run any one's religion down or especially the person because he's of a certain religion because I think that's his choice, or his circumstances. If I were born in China I don't think God would condemn me if I never hear differently. My life's about through though in this old world but my comfort comes from the Bible's hope of living again and seeing all my family that's died. I'm not alone though, I have my God, Jehovah and his Son Jesus, and love to read his Holy Word. I have lots of time for it, too. I enjoy sharing what I learn with others but don't push it on them. If they like what I tell them then we talk, it not then that's fine too. May I ask what faith you profess, Hank? You seem to know a lot about the witnesses since you concluded what you did from what I wrote about the Bible's two rewards, heavenly and earthly. And it does seem to me, as you pointed out in sort of a way, that the witnesses are pretty unified in their beliefs and too I must say, quite different than most others that believe in the Bible. Christian Love |
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10 | "Least in the kingdom of God"? | Matt 11:11 | victorA | 122673 | ||
Great post, I see you put a lot of thought in this study. | ||||||
11 | "Least in the kingdom of God"? | Matt 11:11 | victorA | 122672 | ||
Hello again, It's really funny you tell me about reading Revelation again tonight! I read the entire New Testament every two months or so and just this morning read the first two chapters of Revelation! What a coincidence. Thank you for your kind remarks even if they are different and I do have several questions for you in Revelation if you would like one or two as John's writing are among my favorite. The first verse is my question. Would you write to me all your thoughts on this verse alone? I would like your thoughts alone though. |
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12 | "Least in the kingdom of God"? | Matt 11:11 | victorA | 122663 | ||
Three years later, on the day of Pentecost of the year 33, the apostle Peter said that the descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, namely, King David, had not ascended to heaven and so was not in any kingdom of the heavens or kingdom of God in Acts 2:34, “Actually David did not ascend to the heavens,”. Peter said that after Jesus made the statement about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in Matthew 8:11 at the time of healing the servant of a Roman centurion. So those three patriarchs could not be in the Kingdom class as joint heirs with the Lord Jesus Christ. They were his ancestors, who preceded him by more than seventeen hundred years. It is therefore evident so the scriptures harmonize, that in Matthew 8:11 Jesus referred to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob figuratively. On the occasion when Abraham offered up his son Isaac, Abraham would figuratively represented Jehovah God and Isaac represented God’s only-begotten Son Jesus Christ, who was offered up in sacrifice. Accordingly Jacob represented the spiritual Christian congregation, the “kingdom of the heavens” class; for, just as the congregation gets life through Jesus Christ, so Jacob got life from Abraham through Isaac. From this standpoint Abraham, Isaac and Jacob mentioned together in Jesus’ illustration would picture the great theocratic kingdom or government, in which Jehovah is the Great Theocrat, Jesus Christ is his anointed representative King, and the faithful, victorious Christian congregation that Revelation 7:4 and Rev. 14:3 numbers as 144,000 are the members of the body of Christ as joint heirs in the Kingdom. When this Christian congregation was founded on the day of Pentecost, its spirit-anointed members were made Christ’s joint heirs and were put in line for a place in the heavenly kingdom, to recline there at the spiritual table with the Greater Abraham and the Greater Isaac. The natural or fleshly Jews of the nation of Israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of God’s kingdom. From the day of Pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in Christ they were not in it. Hence, as Jesus said (Matt. 8:12): “The sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.” For this reason it became necessary that many Gentiles (non-Jews), like the Roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by Jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized Christians. Thus they could help make up the full number of the Kingdom class. For faithfulness to the death these converted Gentiles are resurrected to heavenly life to recline at the heavenly table, as it were, with Jehovah God and Jesus Christ “in the kingdom of the heavens.” When understood this way, Matthew 8:11 agrees with Jesus’ words in Matthew 11:11: “Among those born of women there has not been raised up a greater than John the Baptist; but a person that is a lesser one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is.” Since Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are not greater than John, they will not be literally in the kingdom of the heavens. Jesus used them only as an illustration of those who will actually be in it. Wow, you picked a deep subject, a great subject a key to understanding the Kingdom of God. |
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13 | "Least in the kingdom of God"? | Matt 11:11 | victorA | 122661 | ||
Hello Zsuzsi, You say that my starting point is the same as mine that Jesus isn’t the lesser one in the Kingdom? And in your first post on this point you say, ((Do you think that Jesus could have been referring to Himself by "the least in the kingdom of God" in Luke 7:28/Matt 11:11? Personally do I believe He was, although I read many other interpretations which are not even similar to mine…)) So I don’t understand which you are say that you agree with. Then you tell me, ((but I think have to disagree with your conclusion: maybe that is what you call 'justice' but to me it certainly isn't! Did Moses, or John the Baptist, or you or me decide for ourselves whether we wanted to be born BC or AC? I doubt... Does God then privilige some people by causing them to be born AC? )) You do make a good point here and I agree it might seem unjust to us but we (mankind, in particular Adam) made things turn out the way they have). That’s the reason we see human suffering today. Is it God’s will for man to suffer? I believe not because man disobeyed and we’re Adam’s offspring. But to correct matters, time is allowed to show Satan’s assertion false once and for all time. Satan told Eve that she should decide for herself what is right and so she did. The result for both her but especially Adam’s choice is what has come about. God’s provision for rectifying this was his sending his Son to earth as a ransom for Adam’s sin so mankind could be redeemed back to God. God made the earth for man to live on forever and never dieing. Involved in this arrangement was not only Christ’s ransom but also his kingdom. Some humans have the special priviledge of ruling in heaven over the earth, but the vast majority will fulfill God’s purpose for the earth by populating it forever in perfection. ((Ezekiel 33:20 "Yet, O house of Israel, you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' But I will judge each of you according to his own ways.")) Again, God’s reward of living on earth will fulfill man’s every desire, since man was made to live on the earth God’s original purpose for creating man. God created angels to live in heaven. So He will judge according to our own ways ('ways' is not the same as 'works'), not whether He chose us to be born BC or AC... ((Personally I think it cannot 'fully rewarding' for faithful servants of God like John the Baptist or David that they would become 'earthly subjects' to 'co-heirs' with Christ, simply because of the date of their birth... I believe Jesus died to save the whole world, not just the people who come after Him; I do not like the idea of 'limiting' God to our earthly way of looking at time. )) ((Also, please see Luke 13:28 and Matt 8:11: Jesus did say that the old prophets would enter the Kingdom: Luke 13:28 "There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out." Matthew 8:11: "I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.")) I definitely see where you are coming from and I know you and I both want all the scriptures to stand harmoniously. I’ll begin with John 3:13, where it says that no man has gone to heaven, “13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven,” and then says that Jesus would go to heaven so that everyone believing in him may have everlasting life in verse 15. Those were Jesus’ words in the year 30 (A.D.) when he told Nicodemus that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not in heaven. (more) |
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14 | what about a Bible study??? | Bible general Archive 2 | victorA | 122619 | ||
Hello Tim Moran, Read this as quickly as you can. :-) I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg THE PAOMNNEHAL PWEOR OF THE HMUAN MNID Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? |
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