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1 | did only men have the right to divorce? | Bible general Archive 3 | rodent_tamer | 182281 | ||
oh ok, that makes sense. thanx |
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2 | did only men have the right to divorce? | Bible general Archive 3 | rodent_tamer | 182257 | ||
Doc, I don't understand. How did the bill of divorcement protect the woman? monica |
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3 | Requirements of a valid marriage? | Rom 13:1 | rodent_tamer | 182256 | ||
I agree. I think if the state views common law marriage (cohabitation) as covenant marriage, the governing authorities, in this instance, is not consistant with God's higher moral law and therefore no longer acting as God's agent. Although I'm confused since there are instances in the old testament when cohabitation and consummation constitutes marriage. Am I wrong in my understanding? Monica |
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4 | Was the creation account viewd literally | Gen 1:1 | rodent_tamer | 182255 | ||
thanx for the info. monica |
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5 | Roman documentation of Christs execution | NT general Archive 1 | rodent_tamer | 182254 | ||
Thanx. It's so creepy how he calls tortures "exquisite". Very telling of the Roman brutality for those who didn't tow the company line. I remember reading somewhere that if any Roman soldier abandoned or even fell asleep at their post this was punishable by death. As told in the gospels, for fear of the body being stolen, the pharisees requested that the Roman soldiers guard the tomb right? If so, do you know if there is anything about this? Or any record that the soldiers abandoned their post? monica |
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6 | Is marrying for citizenship real? | Matt 19:5 | rodent_tamer | 182253 | ||
What literally took place was this: He confessed he was not a believer, I determined I could not marry a nonbeliever, he agreed that we should not get married, I begged him to reconsider the truth of the gospel as truth and even offered a possibility of working towards restoration with the help of a christian counselor, but after one visit, his decision was basically: "religion was not for him", we went our separate ways and he immediately became involved with another woman as soon as he knew I was not going through with the "genuine" wedding plans. I remained single for years after the break up and after the legal divorce and about a year after our separation he filed for divorce because he received his citizenship (the citizenship process is a lengthy one). I believe the only justifiable reason for divorce, according to the bible, is adultery and desertion. It would follow that under those 2 reasons a divorced person would then be free to remarry. That is, without those 2 reasons, divorce would be a violation to God's law and remarriage considered adultery. Now with that in mind, if my "legal" marriage to this man was actually sanctioned by God, does that mean my "legal" divorce to this man justifiable or permissible by God, since he technically committed "adultery" unbeknownst to either one of us? Am I then to conclude that in God's eyes, he did commit adultery even though neither one of us understood it as such? In other words, even though I didn't feel betrayed, did he indeed betray me since our legal marriage was a binding one in God's sight? So is it safe to conclude that since our legal marriage was a biblically genuine one, would it follow that our legal divorce was a biblically justifiable one as well irregardless of our perceptions of both? What is my standing with God now? Am I free to remarry in good conscience? I hope I have made my spaghetti explanation solid and sound. I apologize to those who have been following my thread for my initial dishonesty by not stating that it was I who I was referring to. Please pray that God reveals His truth to me regarding this matter. My earnest desire is to live rightly before him. humbly yours, monica |
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7 | Is marrying for citizenship real? | Matt 19:5 | rodent_tamer | 182252 | ||
I don't know if you followed the entire thread and I think I have failed to express myself correctly. I am not questioning whether justice of the peace marriage is binding to God. I believe it is. I'm not questioning the method, or the spiritual standing of either party. You don't have to be a christian to be married, nor do you have to marry a christian in order to make it binding. My central initial question was did this particular marriage become binding in God's sight even if the 2 people did not perceive themselves as making a consiencious, sincere vow? That legal vow, as far as they were concerned, was "fake" because they only did it so that one of the parties could get their citizenship. What I was questioning was does their perception make a difference to God or does God hold them accountable to that vow even though they didn't mean it? Some have made the argument that since the state is God's agent and the state constituted this vow as valid, then God did as well irregardless of the couple's perceptions and the state being deceived. These are the questions I presented to the forum. I have presented it in 3rd person here because I didn't want to get too personal. I apologize for my dishonesty. The truth is that I am the female that legally married the nonbeliever for the purpose of the attainment of his citizenship. I am a christian and dated this man who claimed to be a christian. Turned out he was pretending so that I would remain with him. He knew I wouldn't date a nonbeliever. About 6 months into the relationship, he was about to lose his job if he didn't produce proof of legal status and asked me to help him in this way, but it was perceived by the 2 of us that this was not a genuine vow on both our parts, it was a vow we were pretending to make so he could get his citizenship. My reasoning at the time was that it was a "technical marriage", but not a spiritual and therefore God recognized one. I thought then and do now that it doesn't matter who "joined us"; whether the state or a pastor, (that is not the significant issue for me). My thinking then was that since neither of us intentionally, conscientiously and sincerely believed ourselves to have actually joined before God, that God therefore didn't join us. As we continued dating after that legal contract was signed we never once believed ourselves to be married but lived as though we were not. Even more so than this, when he later proposed to me, as our relationship progressed, that is when I considered the notion of possibly marrying him. Does that make sense to you? When it came to light that he faked being a Christian, I cancelled the "genuine" wedding that was about to take place 4 yrs after the legal marriage took place. When I made that decision to not marry him genuinely the 2nd time, I felt then and find it difficult now to deny that God was prompting me to do so. I am having difficulty accepting that I imagined all that, but I want to be submissive to that possibility if it is true. Now here is my second question if the argument made is true. If it is true that "A state sanctioned marriage constitutes "What God has joined together" irregardless of what I believed to be doing, how then does God view the legal divorce? Understand that when we separated, we separated with the belief that our break up was not one from marriage, but one from dating. In other words, in our perception, we believed that a marriage never took place though one did according to the state of NJ. Now here is where it gets weird for me. Assuming it is true that our first legal marriage was binding and genuine in the sight of God, then did this man commit adultery in the sight of God when he entered a sexual relationship with this other woman immediately after our mutual break up and cancellation of the second so called "genuine" wedding? It was no secret to me that he became involved with this woman after our break up and I never thought of it as adultery since I never considered us truly married in the first place. As far as I was concerned he was free to date since we no longer were in a relationship or going ahead with our so called "genuine" wedding plans. What literally took place was this: (continued on the next post since there is not enough room here) |
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8 | Was human propogation incestuous? | Bible general Archive 3 | rodent_tamer | 182191 | ||
When webster's dictionary defines incest as "unlawful" is it referring to God's law or man's law? I'm assuming the latter. Your answer explains what the negative genetic outcome of incest is, but doesn't God condemn incest in his law? Is this condemnation only because of the genetic defects? If he condemns incest after the fall, why would he condone it prefall? |
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9 | Men had multiple wives in the old test. | Matt 19:5 | rodent_tamer | 182190 | ||
Personally, while the sanctioning of polygamy does not sit right with me in my gut, I don't see anything in the Old testament that condemns it. The worshipping of idols, breaking the sabbath, dishonoring parents, lying, stealing, coveting, adultery, rape, incest and murder are all clearly condemned in Old testament, but I see nothing that condemns polygamy. In fact, David who was considered a man of God had multiple wives. If polygamy was a sin how can David be seen by God as righteous? The account of Bathsheba is condemned as adultery, not because she was taken as his number whatever wife, but because she was another man's wife. Polygamy was a socially accepted norm in those days, did God just tolerate it and overlook it? It doesn't seem characteristic of God to over look a sin just because it is a cultural norm. I don't understand when and why this shift from polygamy (OT) to monogamy (NT) occured. I'm stumped. | ||||||
10 | Is marrying for citizenship real? | Matt 19:5 | rodent_tamer | 182145 | ||
Here are the details of the case: These 2 people dated before and after the sham state marriage. When they legally married they were dating for about 6 months. The christian girl never would have even considered dating him if she thought he wasn't a christian. Before they dated, they were friends and he knew what her beliefs were. She shared the gospel with him and he claimed to have accepted the message of christ. It turned out that his conversion on his part was false. He knew she wouldn't date a nonbeliever and in order to not lose her, he claimed to have accepted Christ. Throughout the relationship they remained sexually pure. In the beginning of the relationship he went to church with her, prayed with her and was even baptised. I want to make clear that even though they cared for each other and were dating when they both married legally, neither of them believed they were truly married. She only knew him for 6 months and would still need the test of time to know him and know God's will regarding marriage. After 2 years dating him, he proposed and she reluctantly said yes, but something in her heart told her to delay the marriage. At that point, she started to suspect something was wrong because she didn't see the fruits of spiritual growth in him even if his moral outward life wasn't blatantly rebellious. She shrugged off that feeling by telling herself he just needed time to mature as a christian. As a result of her being with this man, the girl's relationship to God began to slowly suffer. She stopped going to church, barely prayed, hardly read the word etc.... She became attached to this man and felt stuck. Towards the end of the relationship, the girl's mother began to pressure them to start the wedding plans since their engagment was so long. The wedding plans were taking place and finally after seeking God's will through prayer, she confronted this man and he admitted to her that he didn't truly believe in God. She realized then that she couldn't marry him, but she still was struggling with fear, attachment and insecurity. One day, she went to church, heard a powerful message about maturity and contentment in God and the holy spirit empowered her to have the courage to do what she felt God was asking her to do. She believed God was telling her, "do not be yoked to an unbeliever......choose me and my will above what you will". The girl broke off the relationship and cancelled the wedding. She reconciled to God and remained single for 4 years until now. The nonbeliever who she broke up with immediately entered into another relationship with another girl who he lives with to this day. At the moment, this christian girl is dating a christian man who clearly shows the fruit of his spiritual closeness to God. In other words, there is no doubt in her mind that he is a christian. As her relationship deepens with this man both spiritually and emotionally, they are both thinking about marriage and that is how this whole issue came up. She asked me to post this question on the forum out of curiousity. She is studying about what makes a marriage valid and things of that nature. When the possibility presented itself that she may have inadvertantly married this man in God's eyes all those years ago, it really did a number on her. She and I are not seeking counsel on this forum , we are trying to understand what scripture teaches regarding what makes a marriage valid in the eyes of God. We are hoping to find some answers that could clarify or put to rest any doubt. The girl has presented this situation to her pastor and is currently awaiting a response. Please keep her in your prayers. Thank you |
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11 | When is divorce recognized? On paper? | Matthew | rodent_tamer | 181980 | ||
I don't see your answer to this question. Did you try to answer it? | ||||||
12 | Is marrying for citizenship real? | Matt 19:5 | rodent_tamer | 181977 | ||
no it wasn't consummated | ||||||
13 | How wer early church services structured | NT general Archive 1 | rodent_tamer | 181128 | ||
thanx doc you rock I will attempt to tackle the info. you recommended. |
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14 | How wer early church services structured | NT general Archive 1 | rodent_tamer | 180934 | ||
Thanx for the link. In my readings there I found mention of deaconesses through one of the letters written by Pliny the younger. I then looked up the actual letter on line and found the exact quote. He writes: “These examinations made me think it necessary to inquire by torments what the truth was; which I did of two servant maids, who were called Deaconesses: but still I discovered no more than that they were addicted to a bad and to an extravagant superstition“. This letter must have been written in latin. I wonder what the latin for Deaconess was? It does seem to suggest it was an official title doesn't it? -M |
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15 | Taking medication/Giving medication? | Phil 4:6 | rodent_tamer | 180930 | ||
Dear Cuddle, I am so over joyed that my story helped you. It is so amazing how God works. Why did your daughter want to get off her meds? Was it because of the stigma? Or perhaps the influence of family members who caused her to question the validity of this illness? Do those family members question the existence of this disorder or do they disbelieve that your daughter suffers from this illness? If they disbelieve the existence of this disorder or mental illness in general, what is their reason for disbelief? Is their reasoning spiritually oriented? That is, do they think that medication and a diagnosis of a mental disorder is un-christian? By any chance, did your daughter want to get off her meds during a manic phase? I only ask this because I have done this in the past during manic episodes. I'm not a rapid cycler. The pattern of my mood swings usually occur in phases of long winter depressions and long spring manias. One year, for some reason I had only been on my anti-depressant, but not my mood stabilizer. I had been ok (not experiencing depression), but then since I wasn't on my mood stabilizer I eventually became manic in the spring. When I became manic, since I felt so great, euphoric and invincible I concluded that I was not bipolar and that I didn't need any meds at all. Big mistake. I stopped taking all my meds and in about a month I swung hard in the other direction. I ended up having to go to the hospital. You have to be very careful during manic phases, because it can make you feel deceptively "well". Typically when manic, a lot of bipolars don't go see their Dr. or take their meds. At least, when depressed, you know you're depressed and desire alleviation, but when manic, you are often not aware of this "drunken" state of mind and, in fact, embrace it, thus rejecting medication. I will keep you and your daughter in my prayers. You are welcome to email me anytime if you should need advice or questions regarding this matter. Also I would love to know if her condition gets better if you put her back on her meds. My email is: Rodent_tamer@yahoo.com I want to encourage you to learn as much as you can about this disorder and confer with others who suffer from this illness in order to best help your daughter. There were those in my family who didn't really believe in the validity or seriousness of this disorder and, as a result, made me feel alienatated and alone in my suffering. All my best, Monica |
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16 | Wat office did womn hold in early church | Rom 16:1 | rodent_tamer | 180905 | ||
Dear Doc, Thank you so much for your contribution to this forum. I have learned so much from your sound logic and theological knowledge. What did the office of deacon entail in the early church? I.e what were their responsibilities? Also, do you know if the title of "Deacon" exist only in the Christian church or did it exist in Jewish tradition or perhaps elsewhere in that society? My second question has to do with the word "diakonos" (deacon or servant). Is there a generic word for "servant" other than "diakonos" in the NT? For example when referring to a vocational servant as opposed to a ministerial servant, are there words that differentiate these two positions? In your opinion, because of the context of the phrase: "diakonos" "of the church", is Paul referring to Phoebe as an official Deacon rather than a generic "servant"? -M |
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17 | Why "servant"? | Rom 16:1 | rodent_tamer | 180901 | ||
So since the word "diakonos" is used together in the context "of the church", are we to conclude that Phoebe was in fact most likely a female deacon? Was this office specific to the Christian church or was it a title used elsewhere in that society? Did this office exist in Jewish tradition? I can't help wondering if the disagreement in translations have more to do with the gender issue rather than the word itself. If she was deaconess then that throws a wrench in the "women should not be leaders or hold office in the church theory". In the greek, is there another word for "servant"? That is, when elsewhere in the bible the word "servant" is translated, is it this same word "diakonos"? For example, in the following verses when "servant" is translated, does the greek read "diakonos" or is it another word?: Rom 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. Luke 15:26 "And he summoned one of the servants and began inquiring what these things could be. Luke 16:13 "No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth." Luke 22:26 "But it is not this way with you, but the one who is the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the servant. Luke 22:56 And a servant-girl, seeing him as he sat in the firelight and looking intently at him, said, "This man was with Him too." Verse Info. Notes Context 785 John 2:5 His mother *said to the servants, "Whatever He says to you, do it." John 2:9 When the headwaiter tasted the water which had become wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew), the headwaiter *called the bridegroom, Verse Info. Notes Context 787 John 12:26 "If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also; if anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him. Verse Info. Notes Context 788 John 18:36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." Verse Info. Notes Context 789 Acts 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. |
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