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1 | if sabath means sat(day) why we take sun | Ex 20:11 | oscar2 | 31633 | ||
I want to give ARISE the benefit of the doubt, and therefore the credit that he already searched for answers, but he was not satisfied with them. I tried to give a little bit more than we had on those days of discussion and I am happy you agree with the main point. I think it is a great idea to look for answers before asking, even if it is not indicated. It could be that being one of the founders, you some times could get a little bit tired of some body else interventions. But I think we all share the most important thing, the love of Our Love. Your brother on Jesus. Oscar |
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2 | wandering why the forth commandment is | Col 2:16 | oscar2 | 31222 | ||
To exhaust the matter: I do not think we should stick on the intents, as Charis thinks, maybe you should read Dante's Divine Comedy to know that Hell is paved of good intentions. I keep God commandments, because we love Him, and He says, "if you love me, keeps my commandments”, that is very clear. The fact that Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath does not mean that we have authority to change His Sabbath. “But the seven day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God” Ex 20:10 “For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, an all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it” Ex 20:11. “ Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you Ex 31:4. Therefore is not only a day to rest and worship, it is holly. For a perpetual covenant, it is forever, eternal Ex 31:16. It is the day of holly convocation. Lev 23:3 We must “Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.” Deut 5:12, not because He had an intention with that. We do not interpret His intentions as his ways are higher that our ways. The Sabbath is to be a sign between God and its people. Ezekiel 20:12, is more than a day of rest, or a holly day, it is a sign. Ezekiel 20:20 Mathew writes; “In the en of the Sabbath, as it began to down towards the first day of the week ..” Mat 28:1 and Mark equates the dawn with “the rising of the sun”, “and when the Sabbath was past, … And very early in the morning of the first day of the week” Mark 16:1-3. Another reference Mark 16:9 “Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, …”, and a Fourth reference Luke 24:1-2 “Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning …” , and a fifth reference John 20:1 “The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, …” There is no doubt that Jesus rested on the grave on the Sabbath and resurrection occurs on Sunday. John mentions the “first day” on the same chapter, and sometimes is mistaken as a Sunday worship. “The same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors where shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, …” John 20:19 Even when they were gathered it was not for worship but because of fear of the Jews. In Corinthians 16:1-2 Paul wrote: “Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come, …” Lets notice what the apostle said and also what he did not say. Paul was writing appeals to the churches in Asia Minor, not talking about a collection plate being passed, and it was because many of the Christians in Jerusalem were suffering for lack of food and daily necessities. Paul asked the church in Corinth to gather food, clothing, etc. and store it at home until he could send men to transport it to Jerusalem. “lay by him in store”, in the original Greek has the meaning of putting aside at home. There was no service on Sunday. The gathering up and store was to be done on Sunday. The letter was to be shared on the Sabbath, when all were gathering for worship, and the first opportunity to do the collection and store was on Sunday, the first day of the week. Now lets review Acts 20:6-13, There are some unusual things on this all-night gathering in Troas. First of all, it had to be a solemn occasion for the speaker and the congregation, as Paul was living forever “shall see my face no more”. The night setting would require that it be held on Saturday night. The Sabbath ended at sundown, and the first day of the week began. Paul, who had stayed a full seven days so that he could be with the people over the Sabbath, decided not leave with the ship on Saturday night. Instead he fellowshipped all night long and then walked twenty miles across the peninsula on Sunday morning to joint the boat in Assos. Some people confuse the breaking of the bread with the holly communion; Luke assures us that those early Christians broke bread daily. Said this I cannot find another scriptural sustain for the Sunday to be holly, instead of the Sabbath of the Lord. God Bless you Oscar |
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3 | 7th day | Col 2:16 | oscar2 | 31208 | ||
As Charis wrote: "Jesus rose on the first day of the week", he kept the Sabbath. the days are named in the Bible as: -The first day of the week. -the second day of the week. -the third day of the week. -The fourth day of the week. -the fifth day of the week. -the day of Preparation -the Sabbath. The first day of the week is the Day of the Lord, it is when creation began, it had also to be the day of resurreccion (for the same reason), we can celebrate this day as we should celebrate every day. The day of preparation is the sixth day, but the Sabbath is the day that the Lord rested, after creacion and after his passion, he rested on the grave He did not violated it. I respect the fact that you consider Saturday a day of Preparation, that is your decision. But the point is not that you are wrong, but that the day of Preparation (biblically is Friday). I agree that the day of the Lord is the Sunday, but do you agree that the Sabbath is Saturday? That's the day that is commanded to rest, because in the seventh day He rested, and because he put not your Sunday, but the Saturday as a sign, by which he will recognize us. After all, He put his laws in our heart, but it is up to us to follow them or not, and nobody can judge us if we do not do it. God Bless you Oscar |
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4 | Do you keep ALL of the Mosaic Law? | Col 2:16 | oscar2 | 31205 | ||
I do agree that to say error is to err. To point it out in the mid of a conversation as you did is not what we can expect from a Christian. That person that wrote error, instead of err, maybe speaks more languages that you ever did, and is writing very well for a language that is not his mother's tongue. He can solve the err using a Spell checker and that takes few seconds, can you be nicer in such a short term? Two are the laws. The Ceremonial Law and the Law of God, and you know that very well. The ceremonial law is abolished, but not the Law of God, where did you study your theology? God Himself inspired all the Pentateuch, but even so, these two laws had different categories, and Mosses order to put the ceremonial Law not in the arc but besides the arc, that is the temporary law, the Eternal Law was in the arc of the covenant, inside to be kept forever. God Bless you Oscar |
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5 | Do you keep ALL of the Mosaic Law? | Col 2:16 | oscar2 | 31204 | ||
I do agree that to say error is to err. To point it out in the mid of a conversation as you did is not what we can expect from a Christian. That person that wrote error, instead of err, maybe speaks more languages that you ever did, and is writing very well for a language that is not his mother's tongue. He can solve the err using a Spell checker and that takes few seconds, can you be nicer in such a short term? Two are the laws. The Ceremonial Law and the Law of God, and you know that very well. The ceremonial law is abolished, but not the Law of God, where did you study your theology? God Himself inspired all the Pentateuch, but even so, these two laws had different categories, and Mosses order to put the ceremonial Law not in the arc but besides the arc, that is the temporary law, the Eternal Law was in the arc of the covenant, inside to be kept forever. God Bless you Oscar Oscar |
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6 | Sabbath laws....do? or don't? | Col 2:16 | oscar2 | 31201 | ||
Do you mean that traditions of man could be before the Law of God? and, nobody should question it before the time? Do you think that a question on the subject is a judgment? Could it not be love? I understand that Beatitudes are not laws but eternal truths, so Jesus do not command you to be poor on Spirit, but tells you, among others: Oh Bless! poor on Spirit, yours is the kingdom of heaven. That you can interprete as: Happy are you that do not believe to know every thing, because you will know the will of God. Oscar |
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7 | wandering why the forth commandment is | Col 2:16 | oscar2 | 31200 | ||
There are two laws: the ceremonial law and the law (the ten commandments). With Christ the ceremonial law was abolished. When was the fourth commandment abolished or changed category? Please let us know. This is something that is not that clear. Oscar |
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8 | Newcomer's response sabbath questions | Col 2:16 | oscar2 | 31199 | ||
Hi Tim, I didn't know that the New testament was plenty of writting telling that it is not necessary to keep the Sabbath, I missed them all. Would you please post them? It will also be nice to now when did Jesus abolished the Sabbath. Sorry, this is so new for me. Oscar |
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