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1 | Spare the rod, spoil the child | Prov 13:24 | lookwhojesusloves | 178422 | ||
I am not sure to whom you are referring when you wrote, "As for you - I will not discuss this matter....". I assure you (and everyone else) I do indeed plan to study this thoroughly. Posting in this forum was just a beginning. Posing this same question to my brothers and sisters in Christ via e-mail was another means. I wanted some objective points of view and subjective--meaning insight from folks I do not know and folks I do know. I have copied and pasted what everyone wrote in response to "Spare the rod, spoil the child". I want to say, "Thank you," to all who have responded. By the way, just as follow-up, a fellow Believer was also at that church on Sunday and agreed that the pastor did not properly "frame" what he was trying to convey to his congregation. "Snatching a child up [in anger, as he clearly meant] and spanking his/her bare bottom" is not a proper way to teach on this topic...those were the words he used. Perhaps this is what offended me; regardless, I am studying and searching for truth. One thing is for sure, whenever I am offended by a fellow believer, it gets me in God's Word, so thank God for that! ;) | ||||||
2 | Spare the rod, spoil the child | Prov 13:24 | lookwhojesusloves | 178361 | ||
This came via e-mail from a sister-in-Christ: For one thing, the story is used as a metaphor for GUIDING a herd of sheep. I believe when people pull one verse out of the Bible for their own agenda is wrong. One must read the verses before and after scripture to get the entire concept. I have not read what comes before and after that particular verse. Jesus certainly did not preach hitting children at the Sermon on the Mount or the Beatitudes as they are known by some. There are a number of verses that can be taken from what Jesus said to contradict "Spare the rod and spoil the child." Jesus loved children and I do know that is mentioned many places in scripture. And then there is always, "What you do to the least of these, you do to ME also." My personal belief is that sometimes a child must be spanked to get his/her attention in terms of respecting the parent, just as God sometimes disciplines us for our behavior as our Heavenly Father. This method is usually due to the fact that the child has not been appropriately disciplined up to that point. Usually when a child is spanked once or twice, one does not have to do it again. Also, I believe that some parents resort to spanking when nothing else has worked. Unfortunately, parenting skills are not taught the way they should be to so many. Hitting a child really means you are only bigger than he/she is physically; it teaches hitting and so the chain of physical abuse can start with that child acting out towards other children also and becoming a physical bully. Although some children may require being spanked a few times as I mentioned previously at a fairly young age; but usually if a child has to be spanked, it is because the parents have not been verbally teaching the child what is acceptable behavior and what is not. When disciplined is required, I believe in "time-outs" and then talking with the child after the time out to discuss punishment. "Child's Name, what do you think your punishment should be for hitting your sister?" Then help them along with a few options of no Play Station for a few days or other privileges. Hitting is just plain wrong and one finds it in the Bible only when punishing criminals (as some believed Jesus to be a criminal for professing to be God's son), not children. At some point, people must accept that what they have been taught is wrong...not only wrong, but does more damage than harm, continuing the generational sin that Beth Moore speaks of in Breaking Free. I would research the Bible thoroughly with a Concordance (they even have them on line), and take that minister to task on his statement. The child that hit his parent has been taught to hit somewhere along the line, without any scriptural reference you can be sure. Sparing the rod simply means not to spare the child GUIDANCE as you teach the child the ways of Jesus. |
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3 | Spare the rod, spoil the child | Prov 13:24 | lookwhojesusloves | 178360 | ||
Where does it say anywhere in the Bible to "hit or strike" a child? This is what I want to know. Will you please explain to me why some Christians believe that striking or hitting a child is what God intends by disciplining our children? I do not recall anywhere in the New Testament Jesus teaching anyone to hit his/her children or that He Himself hit anyone. In some research and prayer about this topic, The Holy Spirit told me that "rod" also means "staff" and that staffs were used to guide. Yes, I believe strongly that I am to discipline my children--am re-reading Elisabeth Elliott's "Discipline: The Glad Surrender" currently--but I would think that we should treat our children as disciples, teaching them in the ways of our Lord. | ||||||
4 | Spare the rod, spoil the child | Prov 13:24 | lookwhojesusloves | 178356 | ||
For Christians, any use of the above references must take into account the instruction of Paul in the New Testament: "Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord." (Ephesians 6:4) Again, I ask, WWJD? |
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5 | Spare the rod, spoil the child | Prov 13:24 | lookwhojesusloves | 178355 | ||
I would like someone to define "discipline" for me, as the Bible/God's word intends it. I have been studying Elisabeth Elliott's "Discipline: The Glad Surrender". I believe God disciplines His children, yes. However, in my studies, "rod" has also been refered to as a "staff"--used to guide. I believe that as parents we are to discipline our children as a means to guide them in the way they should go. I just cannot see Jesus striking anyone--especially children. Further, God does not have any grandchildren, only children, so our children are also His children. | ||||||