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1 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161283 | ||
http://www.quodlibet.net/chong-denial.shtml#tthFrefACF Check out #4 inerrency |
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2 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161216 | ||
I am glad to hear that your salvation is not based upon faith in the bible but in Jesus. I believe the bible when it says Jesus is the Word. I believe the bible when it says the Word of God is written on my heart by the power of the holy spirit. You said "The gospel has given me salvation(ROM 1:16)and the epistles is what gives me direction(ROM 6:4,COL 1:10,1 THESS 2:12)." I agree. peace |
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3 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161215 | ||
Yeah, I thought it was good too. People got into it. | ||||||
4 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161206 | ||
I liked the site I have never heard the view of list of "Partial inspiration views". Lead pipe Check out,view iii. I could almost go for that one. I particularly liked when the guy closes with... "In closing, it is only fair to say that the doctrine of verbal plenary inspiration is not without difficulties." peace wos any idea why this thread is temp restricted? who is the mod? wos r u? |
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5 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161144 | ||
Ok i am willing to accept that in 1 Cor 14:37 paul s writings about orderlyt worship is the lords command. But think about it. It sounds to me he is flexing his authority, (which he should) But if he has to say, this is from the Lord or the lord commanded this or whatever. Don't you think, hmmm, Maybe he is reffering to the passages before or after his point. Because he is. So what about the rest? 1 Cor 7:40 paul just "thinks" he is. Does paul know what he is writing will be considered some day to be the WOG? Your definition is a little biased dont you think? I am sure Your belief in the bibles being inspired is not because "easton" says so. One more time. 2tim 3:16 is refferrig to the old testament. This is not my opinion ask a WOG believing bible scholar. you wrote "if they are infallible as teachers of doctrine, then the doctrine of plenary inspiration must be accepted." What is the doctrine of plenary? I bet without knowing it is some big word to explain away a problem. But I would be interested in that definition thanks again. |
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6 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161118 | ||
"I think also that I have the Spirit of God." You are more sure that Paul is speaking from the spirit than he is. He just thinks it,and you know it. You said "Have you ever attempted to find that which supports the Bible as being the Word of God rather than looking for that which would disprove it? I think your search would be more profitable in every way if you attempted to see proofs rather than that which disproves it." I think that is why I am talking with you. There are other books which are older than the new testmament which have stood the test of time. I think many many men for many years have been trying to prove Jesus didn't exist and the bible is not accurate. I would be interested in knowing if you are aware of anyone accepting accuracy and reliability of the bible yet rejecting the WOG status. |
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7 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161110 | ||
You said, "if you are truly seeking the truth, God will reveal it in His own time to you." Same to you. If the bible is the W.O.G. then why would paul have to say in 1 cor 7:10 "To the married I give this command(NOT I, BUT THE LORD)". WHy would he have to say this is from the Lord. Isn't it all from the Lord? If he says this is from the lord here, we should assume that this statement is from the Lord, and not all others. In 1 cor 7:12 "To the rest I say this(I, not the Lord)" So, this is Paul not the Lord. Humm. Not all the W.O.G I will accept 1 Cor 7:10 to be the WOG if you will accept 1 Cor7:12 as not the WOG Peace |
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8 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161108 | ||
I would rather be inspired by god than my mailman. But Inspiration and taking control over what I am doing are two different things, I agree. | ||||||
9 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161086 | ||
So you admit there is no evidence. I can respect that. My reasons for having FAITH in the Accuracy and reliability- written by men who died for the message, they showed personal humility in their struggles and failures, they did'nt do it for the money, women or wine. You quoted above "1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. I am trying to "be sure" and "certain". If someone tell yo to "be sure" and "certain" aren't you going to investigate, think about what you have learned, think about who taught you, what were their motives if any, then take the leap of faith by "being sure and certain" I would and do. I am sure you do this all the time, except with the bible. You said "We damage so severely the word of God, our Bible, when we think we can play God and pick and choose what Scripture is inspired and which is not. In doing so, quite quickly, the rest of the Bible begins to unravel. Only God has the authority to decide what is inspired and what is not." I think your assuming I am some guy looking to evade something that I don't like in the bible. This is not the case. I think the W.O.G. is written on my heart by the power of the spirit ( as the bible states) I find that to be VERY CONVICTING. My faith is based upon faith in Christ not faith in the bible. I have faith that the message in the bible is accurate and reliable. If for some strange reason someone convinced you lets say that the bible had a minor inconsistancy. Would your faith unravel? I hope not. You said "Only God has the authority to decide what is inspired and what is not. Scripture attests to the fact that all of it is inspired, as has been pointed out by numerous people throughout this thread" The quote in timothy in talking about the old testament. The new testament had not yet been compiled. p.s., I read and liked your bio. God has blessed you abundantly! Peace |
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10 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161066 | ||
Her point was that the bible is inspired. Not every word uttered was the W.O.G. If someone inspires me to paint a painting. The person who did the inspiring did not paint the painting, I did. |
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11 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160996 | ||
Jeff, Why is this thread "temporarily restricted"? | ||||||
12 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160995 | ||
hum, you gave me something to think about you said "I don't think He uttered all that we read there. I think he inspired it." Do others believe this on this thread? Thanks for the response. |
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13 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160990 | ||
You said " It is through the bible that we learn of the work of Christ that saves us" I agree. You said "I fear that your ability to believe may have been hindered by the early experiences that you mentioned earlier in this thread. It seems as though you are looking for scientific type data or other evidence outside of scripture to convince yourself that the bible is real or not." I agree. It makes me very uneasy to believe anything without some type of evidence. I am able to take a "leap of faith", I believe we all do that with the bibles accuracy and reliability. I just need more eveidence. For generations people have been taught that it is the W.O.G., that is not good enough for me. I think most of what I read on this forum comes down to the fact that you and others believe it is the W.O.G. because you have taken that "leap of faith" I can accept that answer and in fact respect it. |
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14 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160988 | ||
This is what I said in the post you are referring to " Thanks for pointing me to 2 peter. I think that is Peters opinion of Pauls writings. So your answer is basically the bible is the "word of God" because Peter said so?" I still "think" it is Peters opinion but it is the best and only point I have heard so far. |
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15 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160985 | ||
Jesus was referring to teach all nations about him. Not teach them about the bible. Me or My faith is not tossed because it has christ as its foundation, not in the bible. Ok, so you believe it is the W.O.G because you have faith in it. Period nothing else. |
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16 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160977 | ||
Gospel-Christ is God, our savior, put faith in him, him only. Heard Christ from friends and bible. You, said "If, as you seem to contend, the New Testament is not the word of God, how is it then possible to trust it sufficiently to have faith in Him of whom it testifies?" I am sure you have have reasons for believing the bible to be accurate. Like yours I'm sure, mine are,the authors showed humility in writting about their struggles and failures. The fact that they died for their faith. They didn't do it for fame, fortune, sex, power. Even if their were faults or minor inconsistencies, the meaning and message of the gospel of Christ will not change. I believe it to be accurate and reliable. I would never throw it out I believe it to be useful. The josh mcdowell book- I am not against reading it. Just really busy. I will keep in mind. Did you like it? Thanks |
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17 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160903 | ||
Now we are getting somewhere. This is a good point! Would like more of them. Thanks. | ||||||
18 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160882 | ||
Inerrancy is not the question. | ||||||
19 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160881 | ||
1. Your first point, 2 timothy is refering to the old testament. The new testament had not yet been compiled. 2. Your second point proves accuracy, not The actually literal "word of god". 3. Your third point? 4. Integrity of "human authors"? Exactly. This again prove reliability and accuracy, not the actual literal "word of god" 5. "Indestructibility in the bible". The bible has not transformed countless of lives. Christ the creator and savior has change countess lives. Reliable? yes. Accurate? yes. Usefull? yes. "word of God"? no If you believe the bible to be the "word of god" then why does it say that Jesus is the "word of God"? And by the power of the spirit writes his words on our hearts. Jesus is the "word of God" written on all believers hearts. Saying the bible has saved us is like saying to the person who witnessed to us saved us. It is not the messenger (i.e. the bible) it is Jesus Thanks for your response |
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20 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160862 | ||
CDBJ, I believe that the bible is a accurate historical account of the life of Jesus. Through which the Gospel message has been past down, to which I am thankful for. I dont think it is a "hoax". What is comes down to is making the leap from accurate historical account to the actual "word of God" The bible states that the word became flesh. Jesus is the word written on our hearts by the spirit of God. I believe those verses in John. I believe what they say. That they were written so that they would believe in Jesus not believe in the Johns words as the "word of God" Sorry for the confusion. Thanks for your response. |
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