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1 | True believer | Rom 10:9 | gracefull | 95746 | ||
I am saying that you have done the very thing you accuse others of, and not just me...allowing your opinions to dictate the forum discussions rather than allowing scripture and the Holy Spirit to minister. If a Muslam or Islam comes on the forum...welcome them to hear scripture. Rebuttal their discussions with scripture and God's love..not ridicule and personal attacks. They need to see the difference in their god and our God, not just another dictator god that rejects them. Purhaps you have forgotten God saved you in you when you were still IN YOUR SIN by revealing His great love and mercy. And purhaps you have forgotten that YE, my brother, there are things you are abslutely wrong about. I do not know this based on my beliefs...but based on the mere fact that YOU ARE STILL HUMAN. The forum would benefit greatly from the oportunity to stretch and grow into ministry rather than rejecting all who do not fit YOUR INTERPRETATIONS. DEAD SEA Secondly:"You compare me to Saul are you saying WOF is truth and that orthodox Christianity is false? Saul rejected the truth Christ revealed. Therefore you must be inferring I'm rejecting the truth of WOF that your revealing while clutching to the falsehood of orthodox Christianity." You are persecuting as the Pharasees did any who do not fit your 'Orthodox Theology'..Jesus did not fit the 'Orthodox Theology' and was rejected also. I am not saying 'Orthodox Theology' is all wrong..but this term should not be used on the forum as a WALL against scriptural discussions because it is man's interpretation of scripture and not scripture. It should not be the 'end of the matter' as you have stated often in our discussions. Yes, you project yourself as a Pharasee of the forum...policing all 'unorthodox' posts rather than promoting real unity by encouraging all forum members to participate in discussions that promote the exploration of scriptural TRUTH. Instead, you decided to WARN them not to participate but to reject thus you made yourself the one who decides what is right and wrong for discussion rather than the Holy Sprit of God. As for the discussion of Jesus calling Himself a worm on the cross...He was doing exactly what I did when I went to an alter of repentance...He recognized He had become sin for mankind. As has been pointed out now that Martin Luther and Spurgeon both understood this...these were VERY ORTHODOX men of theology...And yet you still allow your bitterness to dictate the rules of the forum hindering truth sekers with YOUR choice of 'Orthodox Theology'. Don't ask me any more questions. I have given my leave of absense in order to allow the forum to return peacefully to it's closed world rather than a place of real truth seeking and ministry. God bless |
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2 | Good bye | Matt 5:44 | gracefull | 95653 | ||
I sent a test E-Mail to koppie@chartermi.net. Is that correct? |
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3 | Good bye | Matt 5:44 | gracefull | 95645 | ||
Too bad the forum does not abide by these simple guidelines or rules of engagement. It would be a good place for the Holy Spirit to work. Also, too bad scriptural opposition is not the reason I am leaving. God bless |
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4 | Good bye | Matt 5:44 | gracefull | 95641 | ||
I have decided to leave the forum. While I tried to remain here and post free from harassment, it was impossible. There were some who would not allow it because they did not believe as I believe on some points. These few could not see the value and wisdom of allowing me to disagree with them, nor could they see that their beliefs are just as fallable as mine. Humility is far from them. A Bible study is good only as long as everyone can come to agreement with these few in the end. Otherwise, you are dubbed as divisive and unwilling to hear truth. I am leaving my profile and statistics for somone who may actually want to see the truth in how the forum has been conducted, and how these few abused the forum rules and got away with it... Who really does 'OWN' the forum. I thought it was a diverse group willing to admit they did not know it all, and willing to open heart and mind to what the Word says (God written). But I found, rather, that 'Orthodox Theology' which is man written is actually the final word. So Be It God bless to the few that actually had courage to speak on my behalf and actually acknowledge I was correct on some points. With your attitudes, the forum could do well. Too bad all could not share your Godly demeaner. God bless |
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5 | True believer | Rom 10:9 | gracefull | 95633 | ||
"The only person that would view this post or any I have written on this matter as divisive are those that hold to the falsehoods of WOF." You don not even realize you are acting in a controlling manner do you? Your actions are forcing me in a position of compromise or leave the forum. I respect your right to disagree with what I believe and even post opposing scriptural posts, but you refuse to do the same...And you see no problem with that? Your zeal in your beliefs is good, but when your zeal blinds you to the right of others to disagree to the point that you drive them away is not a positive position for forum to take. Agree or leave? Disagree, yes...harrass and ridicule them and then blame them for the state of the forum? No, Ed, our differences does not create discord in the forum...your attitude is the divisive force. The forum can handle disagreements. But it can't handle is you drawing a line drawn in the sand and saying... 'Choose which side your on! Mine or hers!' Ed, I am humble enough that I would never do that. I would trust the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth. But that is what you have done. And what is so sad about it is you believe like Saul did, you are doing God a favor...You are taking care of all the heretics that dare to tread on your territory...the forum. God bless |
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6 | True believer | Rom 10:9 | gracefull | 95600 | ||
Ed, Colossians 1:9 9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; This should be our prayer for one another on the forum. Once again I ask...Who made you the final judge of correct scriptural interpretation? Are you a HUMAN? Are you FALLABLE? Purhaps some humility might be in order for you. Once again I remind you, this is an open forum BIBLE STUDY and you do it a great injustice by not simply presenting your opposing views scripturally and allowing the Holy Spirit to do the rest. You have violated two of the four recomendations from the foundation... 2. This post is not intended as a personal attack on the authority of the Bible OR on other USERS of this forum. 3. This post is not submitted as an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or other disruptions to this forum. This is not conducive to a Spirit guided Bible study. God bless |
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7 | Providing with Life Assurance-Biblical? | Bible general Archive 2 | gracefull | 95599 | ||
Dear brother, Thank you for that testimony. I thought you probably were a bother in Christ, but am glad you shared your testimony. My admonishment was one spoken from experience. Often we observe the walk of others and desire to 'correct' them. Testimony: A year ago a dear sister shared with me that she had presented to the Lord in prayer the desire she believed He had placed on her heart for employment. She was so specific and the substance was so specific I doubted. She said she believed God would lead her to this 'perfect'(for her) job. My internal response was doubt, but the Holy Spirit checked me and warned me not to interfere. I said a word of hope and asked what this sister was doing as far as searching for this job. She said she was praying about it. My response (burned into my mind now as a reminder) was, 'Someone is not going to come knocking on your door offering you a job'. We then changed the subject. 2 months later a lady called her. She neither knew this lady or the company she was owner of. This lady told her that she had an opening and that someone had recommended her for the position. This lady had called several people she knew in various churches in the area asking for recomendations, and my sister was recomended. She had no qualifications or previous experience in this field. She was hired on the first interview. God had not only given this sister the job He had placed on her heart, He had sent the job TO HER. God has rminded me several times since then that I should 'mind my own business' when it comes to someone's personal walk. Now the exception to this is someone who would tell me God told them to do something I know is in conflict with the Word. I said all that to say this Harry..The issue of life insurance is for most of us not a lack of faith. But we do not know what God may be teaching this brother. His dependance on life insurance may actually HINDER his faith in what God wants to do in his life. That is why I said to let your concern go through prayer for him and recognizing he belongs to God. God very well may be using him to teach you something. John chapter 14 is a wonderful chapter. In it Jesus reveals the depth of our personal relationship with him. How He wll abide with us and IN US through the Holy Spirit. Sometimes we want to hold onto others like parents who do not want to let the children grow up. But if they are born again Spirit filled believers they have GOD INSIDE...We just have to learn to hear and trust. John 14:16-18 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. "God does not want quantity, but quality. It is not for me to say God will not save someone by Grace, but that would mean the person has to uphold the Law" The beauty of such a diverse group for Bible study is a boundless opportunity to openly discuss scripture and share understanding in hopes that someone, incuding self, will learn and grow. It is surprising to see how diverse the 'Christian' community is in their beliefs though. I was truly amazed when I first came to the forum..As for quality..after we are saved by grace, we are to be maturing to the image of Christ..(Romans 12:1-21 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.)but if God were looking for quality to save...we would all have been miserably lost. God bless |
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8 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95483 | ||
You owe the responsible users of this forum an apology. --Hank Excuse Me? No I don't. Was my initial post to other forum members or to you? You...was the next post to other forum members or you? You So why now all of a sudden my post is supposedly directed to other forum members? Now answer the question...when was the last time you actually presented a scriptural response to any of MY posts? "Given these sentiments, it should not surprise us that Luther frequently contradicts himself, as well as Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition. He even blasphemes Jesus by claiming that our Lord offered to be consigned to hell for us (as if it is possible for God the Son to be eternally separated from God the Father -- this is impossible to even consider as any sort of potentiality at all): He found Himself in a state of condemnation and abandonment . . . He actually and in truth offered Himself to the eternal Father to be consigned to eternal damnation for us. His human nature did not behave differently from that of a man who is to be condemned eternally to hell. On account of this love of God, God at once raised Him from death and hell, and so He overcame hell. [Grisar, ibid., vol. 1, 239-240; from Commentary on Romans (1515-1516); edition of J. Ficker, Leipzig: 1908, 218 ff.) But Christ took upon Himself all of our sin, and thus He died upon the cross. Therefore he had to become that which we are, namely a sinner, a murderer, evildoer, etc. . . . For insofar as he is a victim for the sins of the whole world, He is not now such a person as is innocent and without sin, is not God's Son in all glory, but a sinner, abandoned by God for a short time; Psalms 8:6. [Detailed Explanation of the Epistle to the Galatians, part 2, fourth argument, Walch edition, vol. 8, p. 2165, nos. 321-324; cf. Commentary on Galatians, tr Erasmus Middleton, ed. J.P. Fallowes, London: 1850; reprinted by Kregel Publications, Grand Rapids, MI, 1979, 164-165] This is heresy. Jesus (being God incarnate) cannot cease to be holy at any time, nor can he be a "sinner" -- not even on the cross. But Luther goes on and on in this line of thinking: " Galatians 3:12-15 Acts 2:19-28 Psalm 22 God bless |
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9 | Providing with Life Assurance-Biblical? | Bible general Archive 2 | gracefull | 95476 | ||
Harry, I will write this post as if you are a Christian brother, If not, I pray you soon will be. The same Word given to him can also set you free. After presenting scripture and planting seed of the Word, let the Holy Spirit do the work. If you love him pray for him. I suggest you read Colossians Chapter 1..this is an excellent prayer for others.. Two things to remember.. Roman's 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. He belongs to God..God loves him more than you ever could...trust God's love for him to keep him. This will set YOU free. John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Unless the Holy Spirit reveals the truth which is God's heart and will revealed through scripture one cannot see. Let the Holy Spirit do His job, and you love and pray for your brother. God bless |
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10 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95470 | ||
And that scriptural accuracy would be....? How far back would you have to go to actually get a post that actually met the requirements of the Lockman Foundation? God bless |
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11 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95462 | ||
No Ed, there has been ZERO scriptural discussion. CORRECTED? By whose standards? This is a Bible Study forum not a dictatorship...equal access... Only MORE OF THE SAME slanders and accusations of heresy and victory chants... I intend to remain on thd forum and only carry on scriptural discussions. It can be done if courtesy, respect and scripture rule...But I will not be caught up in these petty nonproductive posts. God bless |
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12 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95458 | ||
Ed.. Your post did not address the topic... How would you respond if you were invited to someone's home (the Lockland Foundation) and you were told the group would be diverse in scriptural understanding, therefore there are rules of engagement that must be adhered to. Would you demonstrate such an arrogant response even if you felt like it? How long would you be allowed to stay? This forum study would be much more productive and a much better place for other believers who wonder in. Did your post meet even most of the following criteria? 1. This post is biblically based and whenever possible, I have included Bible references to support it. 2. This post is not intended as a personal attack on the authority of the Bible or on other users of this forum. 3. This post is not submitted as an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or other disruptions to this forum. 4. I have carefully proofread my post and believe it represents my best efforts. Most of your posts to me have missed three out of four. Proverbs 16:19 Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. 1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. God bless |
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13 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95457 | ||
Darcy, How would you respond if you were invited to someone's home (the Lockland Foundation) and you were told the group would be diverse in scriptural understanding, therefore there are rules of engagement that must be adhered to. Would you demonstrate such an arrogant response even if you felt like it? How long would you be allowed to stay? This forum study would be much more productive and a much better place for other believers who wonder in. Did your post meet even most of the following criteria? 1. This post is biblically based and whenever possible, I have included Bible references to support it. 2. This post is not intended as a personal attack on the authority of the Bible or on other users of this forum. 3. This post is not submitted as an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or other disruptions to this forum. 4. I have carefully proofread my post and believe it represents my best efforts. Most of your posts to me have missed three out of four. Proverbs 16:19 Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. 1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. God bless |
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14 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95451 | ||
Non scriptural response. Not conducive to a good Bible study. God bless |
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15 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95448 | ||
Non scriptural response. Inappropriate and not conducive to a good Bible study. God bless |
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16 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95446 | ||
Non scriptural response. God bless |
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17 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95384 | ||
It proves the teaching did not originate with the so called WOF fathers. God bless |
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18 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95310 | ||
Hi John, Thank you for the post..I gathered as much from the full document. Please re read Hank's post copied into mine to get the history behind this post. The point of the post... Erasmus's reference to Martin Luther's quote was the main text. His response, however, is identical to the response received by myself and others who questioned this teaching... The point of the post is that the teaching that Jesus died as a sinner, bearing our sin judgement-not His own, and paid our sin debt is as old as Martin Luther,(most likely much older) and not new, originating in the early 1900's (through a vision?) as has been previously stated. God bless |
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19 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95295 | ||
Gracefull: To believe that Christ bore man's sin on the cross is fully scriptural. But it is neither a small step nor does it point the way to believing that Christ suffered in hell for three days. It is no small step as you say; it is a giant leap, an heretical leap, that Scripture does not support nor did Martin Luther. WOF teaching on this subject is egregious error, it is blatantly false, it is wholly unorthodox, it is heresy of the first rank. Your quotations of Martin Luther, if they are, as they appear, designed to make Luther seem to be a forerunner of the Word Faith Movement, fall light years short of the mark, and your efforts to drag Luther into the WOF camp fall flat on their face. You are not going to be able to prove WOF teachings by Scripture, or by the Reformers, or by anyone else who adheres to Christian orthodoxy. The only people on the planet who buy into the WOF lies are those who have already been deceived by them or who are so ill versed in Scripture that they are vulnerable to them and are taken this false teaching. Jesus said on the cross, and He said it plainly, "It is finished." And Jesus never uttered a word that He didn't mean. --Hank Please see this web site for the complete document. http://ic.net/(squigly line)erasmus/RAZ499.HTM "Ancient Christian Commentary (general editor Thomas C. Oden, Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1998 - ):" "Given these sentiments, it should not surprise us that Luther frequently contradicts himself, as well as Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition. He even blasphemes Jesus by claiming that our Lord offered to be consigned to hell for us (as if it is possible for God the Son to be eternally separated from God the Father -- this is impossible to even consider as any sort of potentiality at all): He found Himself in a state of condemnation and abandonment . . . He actually and in truth offered Himself to the eternal Father to be consigned to eternal damnation for us. His human nature did not behave differently from that of a man who is to be condemned eternally to hell. On account of this love of God, God at once raised Him from death and hell, and so He overcame hell. [Grisar, ibid., vol. 1, 239-240; from Commentary on Romans (1515-1516); edition of J. Ficker, Leipzig: 1908, 218 ff.) But Christ took upon Himself all of our sin, and thus He died upon the cross. Therefore he had to become that which we are, namely a sinner, a murderer, evildoer, etc. . . . For insofar as he is a victim for the sins of the whole world, He is not now such a person as is innocent and without sin, is not God's Son in all glory, but a sinner, abandoned by God for a short time; Psalms 8:6. [Detailed Explanation of the Epistle to the Galatians, part 2, fourth argument, Walch edition, vol. 8, p. 2165, nos. 321-324; cf. Commentary on Galatians, tr Erasmus Middleton, ed. J.P. Fallowes, London: 1850; reprinted by Kregel Publications, Grand Rapids, MI, 1979, 164-165] This is heresy. Jesus (being God incarnate) cannot cease to be holy at any time, nor can he be a "sinner" -- not even on the cross. But Luther goes on and on in this line of thinking: " I truly mean this Hank Thank you for challenging me to continue to check my facts. Again ,this is simply to point out that this teaching did not 'originate' with WOF teachers... This should also challenge those who believe this teaching originated with a vision? Apparently this teaching goes back at least as far as the late 1500's existed. God bless |
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20 | GOD TURNED HIS BACK ON JESUS WHEN JESUS | Bible general Archive 2 | gracefull | 94784 | ||
Hi Ray... And in this statement lies the mystery! That God could become sin for us and be forsaken...Not whether He was forsaken or not. "I see a holy God who was numbered with the transgressors and for a brief moment (see Isaiah 54:7) felt the forsaking that a man would feel. But He remained the Son of Man, even the Man crying out "My (God), My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" Matthew 27:46." God bless |
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