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1 | Lev. 10:1-2, Shouldn't we hesitate to | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167787 | ||
Greetings Tim, I am afraid that I might get yelled at for responding Tim and I want to emphasize I am not trying to debate but just express my side. The points you give do not address what I am speaking of. The place to worship is no longer of consequence because of what Jesus tells the woman at the well(John4:21-24). Otherwise temple worship in Jerusalem would still be enforce.The scripture also gives us many examples of time though most tend to occur at night. The point would be that the time would not change the content of what we offer as worship. I desire to worship God and to have that worship be acceptable and pleaseing to Him. It is my heart -felt belief that the best way to do this is to offer to Him only what He has asked for in worship. I believe to offer more is contrary to His wishes.It is sometimes hard enough to "sing with the spirit and with the understanding"1cor14:15. The old adage you refered to is actually a Biblical principal that runs through out both the old and new, num24:12, 11peter3:1-2, Rev22:18-19, to name a few. The best reference I think is math15 where Jesus is confronted by the scribes and pharisees.The Jews are upholding what is not spoken in scripture as equal or more important than the words of God and it is still that way today. The Talmud which is the now written oral traditions has an equal or higher authority than scripture. This is what Jesus condemned. Thank you for your consideration and time but I doubt either of us will change our minds so let us agree to disagree. In Christian Love Dan |
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2 | Everthing is O.K. for worship? | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167727 | ||
My apology to you kalos, I was simply asking a question so that I could understand your point of view better. And to Tim also. Phil 2;12 says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. As I oppose your stance on this subject but seem to be breaking rules, I will stop, leaving the 2 of you with the last words. | ||||||
3 | Did other churches use intruments | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167685 | ||
Please remember that those are under the old covenant. To apply to us they must be brought forward into the new covenant as an instruction to us. Please understand, I do not hate instruments but I desire to offer to God as an act of worship what I know He has asked for not what I feel He night like. Worship should never be about what I want, think, or like but what God has asked for. | ||||||
4 | Lev. 10:1-2, Shouldn't we hesitate to | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167682 | ||
Dear Brother Tim, For the record I am talking about the acts of worship scripture details them. I do not wear a suit as an act of worshipor drive a car ect, as part of my acts of worship. The Sermon could be included as an act of worship. In Christian Love, Dan |
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5 | Using instruments at worship service | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167562 | ||
Dear Hank, I just went back and saw this older post and while not wanting to be argumentative, the context is "making melody in the heart", Thus the instrument being played is the heart. You also mentioned the idea of scriptural reference for or against instruments. I would encourage you to understand the true issue which is Biblical authority for the things we do in worship. Consider Lev10:1-7. Nadab and Abihu attempted to worship God. They used incense and made their offering to God. Please note that God never said not to use what they offered yet they were rejected. The point is that God specified what He wanted and shouldn't need to tell us what He doesn"t want. You asked for proof, examine every historical document and you will see that instruments in worship did not occur untill the 4th or 5th century. |
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6 | Did other churches use intruments | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167560 | ||
Dear Doc, Thank you for responding to me. I am glad that we can be on opposite sides but still be respectful with each other. Perhaps we will arrive at a point where we will simply have to agree to disagree and leave it at that,however, in your response I see some common ground. You use the term universal church and also gathered into one. So universal means that christians can come from all races and languages and from every corner of the earth and are the called out the elect of God united under theleadership of the bridegroom, Jesus the Christ. That is exactly how I would define the one true church. Belonging to the one true church is not a matter of the sign out front of the meeting place, though that name is not with out significance. While I assemble in a building with a sign out front saying church of Christ, there are many other terms or names found in scripture that could be just as good. In fact, the most common reference to a name or title found in scripture is church of God. There are other excellent names but the fact is the sign outside is less important than the hearts of the members inside. God has always and forever been after our heart. Some of the most beautiful words given to us from God are found in Deut4-8 where God asks us to love Him with all of our hearts. His will not mine be done. In Christian Love Dan |
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7 | Did other churches use intruments | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167542 | ||
dear brother doc, The scripture you qoute in eph4:4 says there is one. Chapter 5 says there is a singular body not many bodies. With the greatest respect,I belong to the one true church. It is the only one to belong to. If I didn't believe it was the one true church I would immediately leave. Don't you likewise believe where and how you worship is the true way to follow after Jesus. Of course you do. Ultimately, it won't be what I think or what you think but what scripture says, how we practice what it says, and most increble of all the power of the blood of Jesus Christ to wash away our sins. Thank you for your consideration. In Christian Love Dan |
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8 | Did other churches use intruments | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167541 | ||
Dear brother Hank, I wasn't attempting to push or debate the merits of the fellowship I belong to only to correct a a serious misunderstanding. I would ask only this right as I participate. Also, I would hope that the one great character trait of all the participants is not to just be like the Bereans but also that we have the attitude of Apollos. The reason I joined is not to confront but to explore and learn how others approach scripture and like wise to share. This doesn't change the fact that I like yourself have strongly held views. I will gladly listen to anyones views with the utmost respect. we are all entitled and encouraged by scripture to make up our own minds, philipians2:12,11tim 2:15. And if I disagree it will likewise be with respect.Having said all this I ask you to examine what I respond to doc and let me know what you think. |
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9 | Did other churches use intruments | Eph 5:19 | gospelmann | 167529 | ||
With the sincerest of bortherly love to you Doc and to you Marcus allow me to correct some misstatements with Doc's reply. I belong to the church of Christ and this body of believers was not founded by Alexander Campbell or any other man. I say this not out of arrogance but out of simple fact. The fouder was Jesus Christ and if you go to any church that says it was founded by any one else then you need to leave 1cor3:11. The reformation movement that began so many centuries ago with men like Martin Luther and Tyndal and others was a recognition that the church had gotten away from the pattern that scripture outlines. The problem is that to many groups have stopped reforming. They have stopped trying to get back to the origional church. I personally do not want to belong to a man made institution but rather to Christ's body. I believe that any and all fellowships of believer can be that if that will put aside themselves and put in Christ and His word only. After all what is better an origional or a copy. Also Doc, I have never called myself a "Campbellite" and never even knew who he was till I was in my mid 30's. I am a christian, first last and always 1cor1:10-13, acts 11:26. To wear any other name would be like my wife coming to me and saying she no longer wanted to be known by my last name but by another man's last name. I have spiritually married Christ and humbly wear His great and glorious for there is none to compare to it. Finally on instruments, a little background: in about 1045 A.D. a huge split occurred out of which we now have the Roman Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox. One of the reasons for the split was the use of instruments in worship. To the best of my knowledge the Orthodox Church still does not use them. Why not?To sum up what is a very long and detailed reason, we have no Biblical authority to use them, and all the internal and external evidence shows that the early church did not use them. Speaking personally, I play the guitar a little but the is no instrument made by man that can compare to the sound of the voice and heart of a loving christian worshipping God and His Son. In Christian Love |
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10 | Congregation to pastor relationship? | Heb 13:17 | gospelmann | 162941 | ||
Paul in his letter to Titus gives the answer, 3:9-11.Your response will be dictated by who the person is and how many support him. It would not be good to cause a split or division if he is in the majority, leaving would be preferable. However if he is just a squeky wheel then the church leadership needs to confront and if necessary ask him to leave. | ||||||
11 | Congregation to pastor relationship? | Heb 13:17 | gospelmann | 162772 | ||
AS an aside and thought on the origional question, have you ever thought that the term Pastor is often missused in the church today? By my reading of Eph4:11 the word pastor is the same for shepherd. They are those who shepherd (guide, protect, and feed) the flock. The only place in scripture I am aware of where any one is given the instruction to shepherd the flock is in 1Peter5:2. Peter tells the elders to shepherd the flock. The question then is if Peter tells the elders/pastors to shepherd the flock then shouldnt every person who is going to wear the title pastor be required to meet the elder qualifications found in Timothy and Titus? | ||||||
12 | Need help with adultry and remarriage. | 1 Cor 7:11 | gospelmann | 161936 | ||
Dear kmv2h, The previous posts are excellent and I would just add a few thoughts. At the bottom of your post you sort of asked a question "if this is true", refering to the statement by the man that he is not scripturally available. There is a degree of truth in his statement. Anytime a christian enters a relationship with some one their past should always be of concern especially if a divorce occured. If you had married him and he wasn't scripturally allowed to marry then you would have been an adulter with him. I should explain to you that I am a minister in the same fellowship as his father and I can tell you from personal experience that the issue of marriage, divorce, and remarriage is one of the most debated and traumatic in the church. Many books have been written taking sides and attacking the opposing view point which you can research ,but I suggest something simpler. Pick up your Bible and read "all" the scriptures surrounding this topic and then read them again and again. The truth will come to you as to what is pleasing to the Lord. The following is some of those scriptures:Gen2:23-25,Deut22:22,Deut24:1-4,Malachi2:11-16,Math5:31-32,Math19:3-12,1cor7:10-24,11cor6:11-18. Finally you might be wondering about the very term " scripturally available". What does this refer to? In the scriptures above you will see that Jesus says that when one partner in a marriage commites adultery the innocent partner may divorce and remarry without commiting adultery. The hotly debated question is what if the guilty person repents after the divorce and remarriage of the innocent party. Is the guilty person allowed to marry again? In this question it is not about forgiveness, adultery can be forgiven. The issue is the right to marry again after repentance. All that I can say is that Jesus only gives that right to the innocent party. May God bless you in your studies. |
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13 | Dear friend | 1 Tim 2:12 | gospelmann | 161711 | ||
To Doc and Devon, I am new to the forum and have been reading many of the past posts concerning this topic. If I might add a few thoughts. The subject of the silence of women and also the submission of women is difficult in these times but we must always emphasis that this issue is not one of value or worth of the person. Gal3;28 among others teaches us that there is no difference. My soul and the soul of my wife are of equal worth, value, and importance. Nor is this an issue of gifts or talents. The Lord doesn't need leaders who are either, if He did He would never have chosen Moses to lead His children out of Egypt.No,God chose him because of his humility, Num12:3.This same trait Jesus tells is in the children we need to immulate Math18:4. I believe the greatest sign of humility is submission. Failure to submit is probably what got lucifer thrown out of heaven. Submission was also the greatest lesson Jesus taught when He prayed in the garden "Thy will be done" Math26:39. When we come to this topic we must always point out that silence and submission are NOT for women only but for all christians, note 1cor14:30. Simply put, God has told us a pattern for the worship that is pleasing to Him and that avoids confusion, 1cor14:33,40 who am I to argue. In Christian Love |
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