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1 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230187 | ||
Right. Understanding the complex nature of God is not salvational. | ||||||
2 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230185 | ||
The Holy Spirit did not originate from Jesus since he had to receive it from the Father. Since the HS is the spirit of the Father it is impossible for it to be a separate person. I already made these points previously. This is what I said "Never does Christ state the Holy Spirit is a different "person"." HS is not a person nor a separate person. The HS is a spirit OF a person. |
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3 | What? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230184 | ||
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4 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230179 | ||
Christ received the Holy Spirit from the Father. It's origin is the Father. Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Never does Christ state the Holy Spirit is a different "person". The Holy Spirit is a SPIRIT of a person. Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. The Spirit of Him (the Father) raised Jesus from the dead. Elsewhere the Father himself is given that same exact credit. How can that be? Because the Spirit of the Father is still the Father, just as a Spirit. Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead) Of course where is the Holy Spirit origin? Whom does this Spirit proceed from? John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: Here we are told two times where the Holy Spirit originates from. |
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5 | What? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230178 | ||
No because it's been translated properly into English so anyone with knowledge of English grammar can read the verse properly, without distorting it. | ||||||
6 | What? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230175 | ||
The verse has been properly translated into English and thus that translation choice stands as accurate and grammatically the "his" must refer to the subject, the King, not to Israel as Israel is not the subject of that verse. What you would need to support your view is something like this: Thus saith the LORD, the King and redeemer of Israel, yea the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. But that's not what was said nor meant. |
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7 | What? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230174 | ||
Yes the King has a redeemer. Do you even know what redeemer means in the Hebrew? And? the "And" connects the Lord the King of Israel" with his redeemer "the Lord of hosts". These are two persons (two persons from the Trinity). It might help you to see it like that: Thus saith "one person", and "that person's" redeemer "another separate person"; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Is not Jesus "Lord the King of Israel"? Isn't his redeemer (which means family member) his own Father who is called "the Lord of Hosts"? Do you not believe the Father and the Son, along with the Holy Spirit) comprise the ONE GOD of Christianity and the Bible? Is it so shocking to see them mentioned in the OT? |
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8 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230173 | ||
I am non-denom. but would be closest to Protestant. I also believe what the bible says has more authority than any tradition, doctrine or decisions of any past councils. Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Doesn't affect anything I've said. Have you read this: John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. |
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9 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230172 | ||
The Holy Spirit is a spirit, not a person. In fact, the Holy Spirit is a spirit OF a person. Have you not read this? Mar_13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. Those delivered up at this time will not be speaking themselves for it shall be the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) which speaks through them. In another Gospel we are told more information: Mat_10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. The Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of your Father". All people (persons) have a spirit within them. Shall I consider my own spirit a separate person from myself? Of course not so why should we consider the Spirit of the Father a separate person? Considering et Holy Spirit a separate person was never taught by anyone in the bible nor the early church. It was inserted by others later and made official but it is not scriptural. I believe in the original concept of "Trinity" which is a word that means "three". Trinity means "three" and is a term to describe how God interacts with Man as in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Those three is what the "Trinity" term refers to. Those three are found in many places together as well as separately in scripture. Here are some: Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway outof the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he sawthe Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my belovedSon, in whom I am well pleased. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: |
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10 | Is Belief in the Trinity Required? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230171 | ||
I don't disagree with one word of the Nicene Creed. | ||||||
11 | What? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230161 | ||
"Simply put, the "his" could refer to multiple words in the sentence grammatically speaking. Israel is one of the words in the sentence." Grammatically that is impossible. Israel does not appear there singularly but as a title of a king, "Lord King of Israel" and HIS redeemer. HIS clearly refers to the King being mentioned. Applying "his" to Israel and not the King re-writes the verse and it is serious error. |
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12 | this | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230154 | ||
The verse speaks of the "Lord King of Israel" but people are trying to change the King into just Israel so the "his" doesn't refer to the King. | ||||||
13 | What? | Bible general Archive 4 | ewq1938 | 230153 | ||
Doesn't that alter the verse and eliminate the "Lord King of Israel"? Do you know what a redeemer is? A family member. Is Christ not God, not Lord King of Israel and have a family member/redeemer in his Father who is also God? | ||||||