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1 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128854 | ||
I think the problem is here: "It is the claim that Matthew is using pesher contemporization of the OT, particularly in ‘fulfillment’ citations, that provides the most serious challenge to those holding to verbal, plenary inspiration." You don't like it because it goes against your a priori approach of Verbal, plenary inspiration. Therfore, you must explain this away so that your view of inspiration does not get damaged. The fact remains that Mathew was relying on the LXX for his prophesy, and recorded the event accordingly, which is contradictory to Mark's record. I realize this falls in the realm of acceptable Jewish literature, and I believe that Matthew was inspired of God to write his gospel. It is just different, that's all. If it sounds better, I will say midrashic. Whatever it is that Matthew does, it is a 1st century Jewish method which lifts an OT passage out of context and applies it to a contemprary situation. chesed |
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2 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128853 | ||
GB, the last few posts you have directed towards me (as well as your user profile info) sound a bit dogmatic, as if you have obtained some special knowledge and have arrived at the correct interpretation of every verse in the bible. I have not really been enjoying your belittlement of me. I will not return the favor, since I respect you and your opinions, though they differ from my own. Please consider speaking more out of love than out of debasement. We are all brothers and sisters here. chesed |
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3 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128852 | ||
Yes. This verse says that if you have faith in Jesus (and all that this involves) you have salvation. The negative is not present, and so I will not say that those who have no faith in Jesus have no chance of salvation. | ||||||
4 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128850 | ||
Hi Steve, I think we have differing views on Inspiration. Sometimes people make mistakes (eg. Heb.9:3-4). I know that the Word of God is inspired. That is enough for me. It is obvious though that sometimes there are mistakes that are made. To explain these away (don't bother doing this with Heb.9- I know the argument) or to overlook them is just not honest. Does everyone here believe in verbal, plenary inspiration? chesed |
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5 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128778 | ||
umm...ok. That was weird. Sorry about that. -chesed |
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6 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128772 | ||
GB, I understand what you are saying, but to me that is sounding like salvation by works. Righteousness was a gift from God, not merited by man's works. |
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7 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128771 | ||
I will take this to heart. Thank you, brother. | ||||||
8 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128768 | ||
That would be fine with me... :-) | ||||||
9 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128765 | ||
ok- I gotcha. :) I wasn't sure if this site was open to Catholics, so I wanted to state that I was not. But I am glad to see that your view is accepted here. I myself am not Catholic, but my entire extended family is, so I am familiar with it. |
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10 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128764 | ||
"What was the role of the law in OT times?" Deut.6:20-25 The law was based on Gospel. Their righteousness was not achieved, it was received. (Deut.9:5-6) The Law was given AFTER God saved his people. They were to follow it out of love for Yahweh. The 10 comandments begin not with a commandment, but with the gospel: who God is, and what he has done for his people. chesed |
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11 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128762 | ||
"Please provide some scriptural references concerning someone in the OT who was saved 'by grace, through faith.'" Abraham(Gen.15:6,Josh.24:2ff) |
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12 | to the forum... | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128759 | ||
duplicate post | ||||||
13 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128757 | ||
Grace and forgivness in the OT? Where should I begin? Abraham, Moses, David, Isaiah... The Exodus, The return from exile.. I don't understand what you are saying. Do you mean that there was no grace or forgiveness in the OT? |
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14 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128756 | ||
Hank. the only theology that any of us have is "my" theology. If you claim to be infalible, that is fine. I do not. I have been giving multiple verses in each of my posts for some time now... | ||||||
15 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128755 | ||
Perhaps you are right. Like I said, I am not the one who believes this. However, consider also II Macc.10 as well about the triumphant purification and rededication of the Jerusalem Temple by Simon Maccabeus after it had been defiled by Antiochus Epiphanes. Also, keep in mind that Jesus seems to be deliberately setting up a literal fulfillment of Zech 9:9. If we say this is an historical account, one could argue that Jesus was showing a 'messianic consciousness' and trying to make sure he fulfilled this because the people (perhaps) thought that it had already been fulfilled. He wanted to be the fulfillment of the IT ideas that has developed in order to demonstrate that he was the Christ. Also, another problem is the Johannine account of this incident clearly specifies that the association of Jesus's entry into Jerusalem with Zech 9:9 was something that occurred in the minds of Jesus's disciples only after his crucifixion/resurrection. John quotes or paraphrases a only a partial version of Zechariah, mentioning only half of the parallelism, and he also eliminates the disciples' role. Another problem here is that the translators of the Septuagint apparently missed the parallelism between Donkey and foal in Zechariah 9 and instead pictured two animals--a donkey and a foal. This translation of in the LXX becomes significant because Matthew used it as a prooftext (used in the nice way) in Matthew 21:2-7, but says that Jesus sends two disciples to fetch a donkey AND a foal 'to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet.' It is also interesting that Mark did not make this mistake, yet Matthew did. Do you see what I am saying? The NT authors (and Jesus) were using a pesher method to make Jesus fulfill these IT ideas of the Messiah. Zechariah 9 was never intended to do this. |
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16 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128747 | ||
;-) | ||||||
17 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128745 | ||
I think that one we have stated would be Hosea 11 | ||||||
18 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128740 | ||
How can I back up my OT theology with NT scriptures? My whole point is that there are not any. You are asking the impossible. What I wish we could do is focus on one 'messianic' prophesy at a time and study it. This would satify both of our needs. |
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19 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128739 | ||
I see what you mean. I am sorry that I can't agree with you here. I know what Jesus said about himself. I believe what he said about himself. I also believe that there were other people that the OT spoke about. Ultimately, the bible is about Jesus. We agree here. I simply say that many OT prophesies were also fufilled by someone else in that time. Some OT prophesies were not about Jesus, and they were never fulfilled. Some prophesies were not ONLY about Jesus, yet Jesus fulfilled them. Some passages were not about Jesus, yet he gave greater meaning to them, thus 'fulfilling' them. Some prophesies were ONLY about Jesus, and he did fulfill them. | ||||||
20 | to the forum... | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128736 | ||
No problem here. I believe exactly what you have stated, brother. I am saying it in a different way than you are used to hearing it, aparently, but that is what I am saying- I assure you. | ||||||
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