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1 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54603 | ||
Dear Indiana...... Done deal Steve.....the babies are officially in bed. Bub |
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2 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54577 | ||
Dear Indiana, Please see Lev 26 for the good news, the bad news and the grace of the LORD. Notice that the "good news" bottom line is "I will set my tabernacle among you....and I will walk among you, and will be your God, and you shall be my people." (Lev 26:11-12). This promise of the "good news" of Lev 26 is fullfilled in Rev 21:3 practically verbatim. There's a lot of "Jewishness" going on in the Revelation. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb.....Bub |
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3 | What commandments to keep? | 1 John 2:4 | bubbatate | 54576 | ||
continued from previous…………… I got a flyer for a two week prophecy conference at a nearby church…..I was extremely interested in prophecy and decided to go….if it was junk I just wouldn’t go back. When I got to the church I found, to my chagrin, that it was an SDA church. The first night of the conference was really interesting and I decided to stick it out….however, I went right home to get my “Sunday is the Sabbath” ducks in a row because I was sure that 7th day issue would come up. I went to my trusty Nave’s Topical Bible to get my ammo. All the “Sabbath” passages were listed, followed by a “Christians and the Sabbath” segment. There were a few resurrection passages cited plus a statement that went more or less, “Sunday is called the Lord’s Day in the Revelation.” I about flew off my chair……that was an out and out lie! I was in total despair……is there such flimsy evidence for Sunday that they actually had to lie? How could I go back to the SDA’s with this? I did a massive search of the scriptures and the world as I knew it totally collapsed……can Charles Stanley be wrong? Can Billy Graham be wrong? Why didn’t D. L. Moody get it? I called my assistant pastor (my nephew-in-law), I was sure he would have the missing piece. I explained my dilemma……he gave me the usual song and dance about resurrection day is now the Sabbath……I said, “I know…..but I have to prove it.” After an hour on the phone he could not scripturally verify anything……and his bottom line was, “It’s not important, it’s not worth my time.” That statement hit me like a sucker punch. Nave’s lied…..and now this. I ran my dilemma past many of the “Spirit filled” pillars of the church……all I got was nonsense……I never felt so alone in all my life. There was no doubt in my mind now that the 7th day is the Sabbath and that main stream Christianity was wrong and had no interest correcting it……I had been duped. I was no longer confused….I was hopping mad! I finished the conference at SDA and continued there….they taught that the 7th day was changed to the 1st day by the “Holy Roman Church” who did so to accommodate the pagans whose big day was Sunday (I’ve since learned that the practice began long before as a “delete all things Jewish” movement…..the Romans merely codified it.) SDA was adamantly against mixing paganism with Christianity, I was already on that page, so it looked like I found a home of like minded believers………until two months later when they announced that they were getting their Christmas choir together. Another smack upside the head. You say paganism has to go and you do Christmas? Goodbye SDA, you also speak with a forked tongue (and as for the Ellen White thing………). Now I’m the lone ranger again……I cried out to the LORD……..I know your word is true and I know Your Sabbath is the true one and I know that Christianity has been tainted, but I can’t find anyone else willing to throw out all the garbage. I asked for conformation that I was not the only one in the world who had so concluded. This was a Saturday….my last day at SDA…..I had nowhere to go the next Sabbath. That Monday I ran into a Christian friend……I explained my plight……within five minutes he concurred that the 7th day is the Sabbath…….he then said, “Ya know, I just heard that a “messianic” group is organizing and will begin meeting next Saturday.” Halleluyah!! Confirmation! I was there on the first Shabbat five years ago and have been there ever since. I’ve been challenged to name the name of the group with whom I associate……..we have no label……”Messianic” has already been taken and has certain connotations we chose not to identify with. My “will the real Sabbath please stand up” experience has led me to challenge everything….main line Christianity is wrong on the Sabbath and Christmas…..now you’ve got to prove EVERYTHING to have any credibility with me…….I’m not buying pat statements, doctrines and sacred cows that cannot be proven with a “thus saith the LORD”. Unscriptural tap dancing is disgusting, sometimes laughable, and I will challenge it at every turn……in turn, I welcome challenges………and will give chapter and verse in defense of my position......mere opinions will be stated as such. As for inerrancy of scripture….my position is this. Y’shua said (to Satan, in fact), "It is written: Man does not live on bread alone, but on EVERY WORD THAT COMES FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD. " (Mt 4:4). He didn’t say Paul’s word, or anybody elses’. If anything contradicts a “thus saith the LORD” I’m not including it in my theology. I do not have to give an account to Paul, Christianity or any man or I would be in big trouble……which many on the forum have already concluded that I am. I hope I was able to communicate with lucidity……thanks Brad. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb…..Bub |
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4 | What commandments to keep? | 1 John 2:4 | bubbatate | 54575 | ||
Dear Brad, I have been asked by others the same questions, albeit from a position of hostility…..as you request is calm and reasonable I would be more than happy to give you my “testimony”……a blurb on the members’ profile page would not present a clear picture. On my first Sunday on earth I was in church. I was raised in Evangelical and Reformed…..now UCC. “Church” was an absolute every Sunday and for every other church function, but there was no “God-talk” in the home throughout the week. In college I attended a Lutheran church as there was no UCC……the pastor died and his replacement was boring….my friend invited me to her Catholic Church. I was impressed with the solemnity……there wasn’t a lot of socializing going on. I went to classes to see what it was all about…..I became a Catholic. I first read the Bible cover to cover when in college. I truly loved God and was seeking Him. I became a Catholic and married a Catholic…..after seven years and two wonderful children, and every Sunday in church, my husband divorced me to pursue his philandering on a full time basis……he paid the “church” thousands of dollars for an annulment in lieu of child support. I knew this was not in the Bible…….exit Catholicism. I tried other churches and was left cold……I started doing cable church……I was exposed to yet another facet of Christianity. I learned a lot and became a big Charles Stanley fan as well as all the other big boys (Kennedy etc.). I was reading the Bible again. During a one year stint in Nevada, I felt the need to get real serious with the LORD….I acknowledged that any problem I had in my life was of my own making and it was because I was not following the LORD, this was in my living room, not in a church…….I poured out my heart to the LORD and received an incredible peace…..there was not enough tension in my body to keep me on the chair…I slithered to the floor. I professed my love for the LORD and, He said to my spirit (I don’t know how else to put it)…..you can’t love what you do not know…..I went back to Genesis and began a voracious study…..and I’ve been studying with a passion ever since. I began attending a Church of God and then Calvary Chapel. I listened to Christian radio from rising to retiring…..I heard a mind blowing message from Irwin Lutzer as to how the “Holy Roman Church” brought paganism into Christianity to make it more palatable to the pagans they conscripted….I sent for his tape series and became adamantly against anything that hinted at paganism…..goodbye Christmas……goodbye Easter…..I kept them as my personal sentiments not wanting to offend my Christian brothers and sisters because, after all, they were sincere believers, and much more spiritual than I.....I wasn't comfortable making waves. Upon returning home from Nevada, my niece invited me to her church….Assemblies of God. Great music, dynamic pastor etc. I was baptized and became an enthusiastic member. The Toronto revival and later the Brownsville revival kicked in…..there was a lot of revival enthusiasm. I thought it was exciting yet on another level disturbing……I was searching the scriptures for verification of what was going on and finding none…..of course the take was that I was just not on the same Holy Spirit level as everyone else which is why I wasn’t totally getting it. continued next…….. |
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5 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54525 | ||
Dear John: You quoted, “Col 2:16,17 "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." What exactly were you trying to convey to me……keeping in mind that the topic at hand was “hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ”. (v8). Thanks………Bub |
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6 | What commandments to keep? | 1 John 2:4 | bubbatate | 54519 | ||
Hi Kalos, I have aired exactly the same sentiments and have been railed against as a liar, heretic, judaizer and legalist and my forum membership has been threatened. I just happen to love the word of the LORD above doctrine and this is seen as heresy. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb.......Bub |
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7 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54516 | ||
Dear Indiana..... I did not say that the word "gospel" was the word "Torah". The word "gospel" in Heb 4 is referring to Torah. Hebrews is saying that Moses taught the "gospel" to the people he brought out of Egypt and then goes on to say it is the same gospel that was taught unto "us". Heb 4:2 "FOR UNTO US (new testament types) WAS THE GOSPEL PREACHED AS WELL AS UNTO THEM (the old testament types)." What then was and is this gospel that both groups received? Bub |
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8 | Honor the Sabbath | Ex 20:10 | bubbatate | 54473 | ||
Dear Nicki, According to your unique method of reckoning, since the resurrection was on the first day of the week, on what day of the week does this annual celebration fall? Thanks, Nicki........Bub |
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9 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54466 | ||
Dear Indiana (to keep from getting the Steves mixed up), My specific question was, “To what is the word “gospel” referring in Heb 4: 2 and 6?” Your response was: "Gospel" refers to The good news of God's grace - attainable in the OT by obedience to the Law and attainable in the NT and today by faith in Christ.” I realize it would be painful to directly answer the question in that Hebrews 3 and 4 is talking about Torah, the teachings of the LORD…..it is not talking about OT grace or NT grace, although that was certainly available in both….Heb 3-4 is talking about the "gospel" and “obedience”......how often do you see those two words anywhere near each other? Heb 3:5 “MOSES was faithful as a servant in all God's house, TESTIFYING TO WHAT WOULD BE SAID IN THE FUTURE.” (read that again) Heb 3:16 “Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not ALL THOSE MOSES LED OUT OF EGYPT?…..[18] And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to THOSE WHO DISOBEYED? (disobeyed what?) [19] So we see that they were not able to enter, BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF.” (NOTICE……”DISOBEDIENCE” IS PARALLELLED WITH “UNBELIEF”) Heb 4:1 “Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. [2] For WE ALSO HAVE HAD THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO US, JUST AS THEY DID; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith.” (i.e. they were unfaithful to the gospel as evidenced by their disobedience.) Heb 4:6 “It still remains that some will enter that rest, and THOSE WHO FORMERLY HAD THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM (i.e. all those Moses led out of Egypt; 3:16) DID NOT GO IN, BECAUSE OF THEIR DISOBEDIENCE.” (disobedience to what?) Heb 4:11 “Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, SO THAT NO ONE WILL FALL (future tense) BY FOLLOWING THEIR EXAMPLE OF DISOBEDIENCE.” (it would appear that this is a warning that whatever Israel in the wilderness was disobedient to, we need to be obedient to it………then, it would be important to know what it was that they disobeyed. Reading ahead to v 12…..it must be “the word of God”……..where would one find that?). Heb 4:12 For the WORD OF GOD is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Also…….have you noticed the word “gospel” in the Revelation? Rev 14:6 “Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had THE ETERNAL GOSPEL to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people.” Notice…..it does not say the “NT gospel”, it is the “eternal gospel”……it is the same gospel that Moses preached in the wilderness in Heb 4:2,6 (the Song of Moses); it is the same gospel that Y’shua preached (the Song of the Lamb) and it is to reach every nation, tribe, language and people…….the gospel that Moses preached and the gospel which Y’shua preached, are one and the same and meant for the whole world for all time. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb………Bub |
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10 | Phil 3:2/ Legalism | Phil 3:2 | bubbatate | 54455 | ||
Dear Hank, In response to your comments: You said, “I don't know precisely what you are trying to teach on this forum.” Mt 5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and TEACHES others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and TEACHES these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. MT 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] and TEACHING THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING COMMANDED YOU. “ Since Y’shua was addressing Jewish guys……what was commanded of them was within the context of Judaism……that’s what they were to teach. Ever notice that when Christians quote the “great commission” they totally ignore v 20? Many don’t even know that it’s there. Re: “but it (what I am attempting to teach) gives every appearance to my mind to be something other than orthodoxy”. Define “orthodoxy”? Do you mean man made tradition? If so, you’d better believe I’m not trying to teach orthodoxy! As for: “And I don't know what your definition of Christianty (sic) is” Briefly put, it is the culmination of the attempt to remove all things Jewish from the belief system that characterized the first generation congregation. When things got hot for the Jews circa 66AD…….a certain faction of this heretofore strictly Jewish sect (see Acts 24:5; 24:14; 28:22) sought to remove all associations with anything that might have pegged them as “Jewish”, thereby saving their chicken necks……voila……christianity……”hey, we’re just a bunch of Greeks……look, even our lord is Greek, he’s “iesous”…….he used to be Jewish but he repented.” You continue: “mine (definition of Christianity) is based on the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ and the inspired writers of the New Testament”. Are you sure you don’t mean on the “selected” teachings…….or “inferred” teachings? And then, “And to say that the Christianity of the Bible contains paganism is pernicious heresy and blasphemy, regardless of who says it, whether you or an angel from heaven.” I don’t believe I said that the Bible promotes paganism; in fact it is vehemently opposed to any taint of paganism………Christianity, however, has no problem with it……what are the holiest days of the Christian calendar? From whence cometh they? Respectfully submitted……….Bub |
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11 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54454 | ||
Dear Ed, You said, “I understand how Jesus is a fulfillment of the festivals”. Do you celebrate the festivals with that in mind? Bub |
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12 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54453 | ||
Dear Joe……. Do you have any Spanish friends, Joe? Do you call your Spanish friend Jose, “Joe”? Do you call Pedro, “Pete”? Do you call a Spanish person named “Jesus” (hay-soose), “Jesus” (gee-suhs)? If not, why not? Do you respect the integrity of his name and heritage perhaps? As for: “Likewise, "Jesus" comes from the Greek version of the Hebrew name. That is why we see Moses' successor being called "Joshua" in the Hebrew Scriptures and my Redeemer being called "Jesus" in the Greek ones.” How can a translator translate “iesous” as “Jesus” in one place and as “Joshua” in another? SEE HEB 4:8? That is sloppy, inconsistent translating. Again, I ask……..Strong’s et al acknowledge that “Joshua” is the proper translation for Yehoshua and Iesous………where did “Jesus” come from? As for, “And lest we insist that the Savior of the world be called by his Hebrew name or be dishonored, let's remember that the Holy Spirit inspired the Greek transliteration that the apostles penned....” WHHHHHAAAAATTTTTTT? That’s a ROFLOL!!!!!! El Bubbo |
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13 | Phil 3:2/ Legalism | Phil 3:2 | bubbatate | 54452 | ||
Dear Joe….. As for, “Oh, here it comes! The old "Constantine corrupted that olde tyme religion" line of thinking.” God forbid that the history of your religion be explored! I’d be embarrassed to look at it too. As for my having “an allergic reaction to the epistle to the Hebrews”, I beg to differ, I think it’s a great epistle…..check out Steve’s “allergic reaction” to the word “gospel” in Hebrews 4:2 and 6……why don’t you check it out for yourself, I’m sure you allergies will kick up as well. As for, “Please be honest and forthright enough to tell us the name of the body in which you "Sing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb." ………if you need a “label” I can’t help you out……but I’ll work on one…….maybe the “nikao crew”. Still singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb………Bub |
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14 | Honor the Sabbath | Ex 20:10 | bubbatate | 54450 | ||
Dear Nicki..... You mentioned, "God said" twice in your brief treatise on the Sabbath........what do you do with "God said" the SEVENTH DAY? Thanks Nicki.........Bub |
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15 | Phil 3:2/ Legalism | Phil 3:2 | bubbatate | 54394 | ||
Hank, Too bad the paganism in christianity doesn't bother you as much as Judaism. Bub |
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16 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54391 | ||
Hank, I'm sure that you know that the proper translation for Yahoshua into English is Joshua.....I have no idea where "Jesus" came from. The angel of the LORD gave Him His name......on what authority does anyone have the audacity to change it? I realize that Y'shua is a transliteration, hopefully it sounds like the name His mother called at dinner time. Would you turn around if anyone called "Harry" to get your attention? Bub |
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17 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54352 | ||
Steve, You definitely need a chill pill.........what is the "great commission"? And again (3rd time).......what is the word "gospel" referring to in Heb 4:2 and 6? Thanks......Bub |
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18 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54350 | ||
Ed, I'll thank you to cease using your psychic abilities to tell others what it is that I worship. Bub |
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19 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | bubbatate | 54316 | ||
Dear Joe, I did not intentionally ignore you.......I'm having a hard time keeping track of who's on first etc......I simply lost you temporarily....thanks for getting back. I never intended to imply that the Y'shua was not the Passover Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.....the OT blood sacrifice teachings prepared us to accept that future reality. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb....Bub |
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20 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | bubbatate | 54313 | ||
Dear Brad, Thank you for your response, I apologize for my insolence......I admittedly have a problem with controlling my sarcasm. Bub |
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