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1 | Why does Jesus have 2 genealogies? | Rom 1:18 | ateo | 67587 | ||
Emmaus, I won't justify your facetiousness with a comment. It's obvious that you, as well as others, would like to see me go. Therefore, I'll take my ball and go home. This will be the last post I give. ateo |
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2 | Why does Jesus have 2 genealogies? | Rom 1:18 | ateo | 67586 | ||
Hank, "...what makes you think that there are 'other views' on the genealogy of Jesus..." There may not be. I'd just like to know if anyone has thought about it, and if so, what conclusions have you drawn? To give you an example, a Christian friend of mine seemed to think that "son" doesn't literally mean son, but rather descendent. I'm not going to argue his point b/c I can't remember all of his explanation. But, that's what I'm talking about. I'm not the first to raise this question here. Are you attacking others the way you are me, or is it something personal? What are you so afraid of? "...you're willing to reveal your motive in being here ..." I thought my user profile spelled it out clearly, but I'll give it one more shot. I'm here to discuss Biblical ideas. I'd be lying if I said I'm not interested in learning how Christians deal with "difficult" passages, but that's not the only thing I'd like to discuss while I'm here. In the meantime I think you should understand that free speech is not limited to those who agree with you. If you, or anybody else for that matter, don't like my questions and answers, then you don't have to participate. Find another topic to discuss. "...buzz off!" Ah, Christian love, it never ceases to amaze me. ;-) ateo |
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3 | Is anything in the bible proven untrue | Ps 119:160 | ateo | 67563 | ||
Justne, "You are very knowledgeable about the Bible." First of all, thanks for the compliment. However, I think there are those on this forum who would accuse me of being dumb as a stump. :-) "'Do you understand what you are reading?'" I like to think so. I spent the 1st 21 years of my life as a Christian. In that time I've read the Bible, particularly the NT, several times, studied the original Greek language of the NT, participated in countless Bible studies, etc. I'm not at liberty to discuss why I no longer believe in God on this forum. However, as I've told several others, I invite e-mails to discuss things 1-on-1. That said, please, send me an e-mail anytime at jl_huff2002@yahoo.com. ateo |
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4 | Why does Jesus have 2 genealogies? | Rom 1:18 | ateo | 67560 | ||
Searcher, It sounds like you're using the same arguments others have. I don't buy it b/c the writer in Luke doesn't mention Mary in the genealogy. I don't think it's intellectually honest to change the wording whenever the spirit moves you. Regardless, I'm really more interested in hearing other views about this question than I am debating the same thing I've heard over and over. ateo |
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5 | Why does Jesus have 2 genealogies? | Rom 1:18 | ateo | 67559 | ||
Pastor Glenn, "The relevance is by not having a relationship with God, there is no hope of understanding His word..." That doesn't make any sense, though. By your reasoning, I understood when I was a Christian, but now I've suddenly lost that understanding. Regardless, it seems as though you're intentionally avoiding the question. Since you don't think I can understand what the Bible is talking about, why don't you fill me in. This conversation is probably getting a little too controversial for this forum, and that was never my intention. That said, if you'd like to discuss anything with just me, please feel free to send me an e-mail anytime. (jl_huff2002@yahoo.com) ateo |
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6 | Is anything in the bible proven untrue | Ps 119:160 | ateo | 67523 | ||
Makarios, "It cannot be derived (or proved) that pi was used (or even consulted) in the measurements that are recorded in 1 Kings 7:23." Pi is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. Thus, if the Sea was truly circular, as the Scripture says, pi had to be involved. Just b/c the Bible never explicitly uses the word "pi," doesn't mean that it wasn't there. "Also considering that every copy of the Bible that exists today is a 'copy of a copy'..." Are you trying to imply that parts of the Bible don't say what the authors originally intended? If that's the case, how much of it can we consider to be genuine? My point is this, we have to take the Bible for what it says. We can't run around speculating that maybe the Bible we have today doesn't represent what the authors said. ateo |
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7 | Why does Jesus have 2 genealogies? | Rom 1:18 | ateo | 67518 | ||
Chris, Thanks. I read the site you referenced. It gave the same explanation others on this forum have given, namely, that one line was Joseph's and the other was Mary's. Since I don't buy this line of reasoning for a second, I was hoping someone could give me an explanation I hadn't heard before. ateo |
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8 | Why does Jesus have 2 genealogies? | Rom 1:18 | ateo | 67515 | ||
Paator Glenn, "Were you once a Christian?" Yes, but what's the relevance? This question has been discussed in great detail by others on this website. I just happen not to agree with their explanations. That's why I was hoping someone would tell me one I hadn't read already. ateo |
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9 | Is anything in the bible proven untrue | Ps 119:160 | ateo | 67514 | ||
Hank, "...I infer that you prize the academe..." You inferred correctly. I do prize knowledge above all else. I'd like to tell you why, but unfortunately, as Reformer Joe has pointed out, I'm not allowed to on this forum. Therefore, I'll tell you the same thing I told him. If you'd like to discuss anything 1-on-1, then feel free to send me an e-mail anytime. (jl_huff2002@yahoo.com) I really wasn't trying to fool anyone. I was referred to this website by a Xian friend of mine. My hope was that I could engage in some thought-provoking discussions with Xians. I'm very sorry that you think I was trying to deceive anyone. Again, that was never my intention. Please, accept my sincere apology ateo |
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10 | Is anything in the bible proven untrue | Ps 119:160 | ateo | 67512 | ||
Joe, "Because you say so every time you sign your 'name'" Bueno. I was just curious what gave it away. "Well, I find it dishonest to impersonate a Christian on a forum specifically designed for Christians to study the Bible." You're right. It was extremely dishonest on my part not to be upfront about who I really am. I hope you'll accept my sincerest apology. :-( "Ever time that you send a post, you agree to the following terms:..." Who reads the fine print, anyway! :) I checked out both of the sites you mentioned. I went ahead and set up an account at beliefnet.com using the name jlhuff. So maybe I'll talk with you some there. However, I personally didn't like the site as much as this one, so I may not post at all. That being said, my e-mail address is jl_huff2002@yahoo.com. If you want to discuss anything 1-on-1, you're more than welcome to shoot me an e-mail anytime. "...declaring that the Bible is false..." I really wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth. I never said the Bible is false b/c of this verse. I simply gave an honest answer to the question asked. As I've mentioned several times before, this verse is not proof that the Bible is a fraud. One more time let me say how terribly sorry I am for "impersonating" a Xian. I think since I never said I was one, I didn't see it as being dishonest. However, I see now that that's no excuse. ateo |
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11 | Is anything in the bible proven untrue | Ps 119:160 | ateo | 67509 | ||
Retxar, Again, if that is how you interpret this passage, then more power to you. I just don't see it that way. ateo PS By the way, how do you pronounce "Retxar"? |
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12 | Is anything in the bible proven untrue | Ps 119:160 | ateo | 67290 | ||
Joe, What makes you think I don't believe in God? ateo P.S. Your sarcasm is childish and unbecoming. |
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13 | Is anything in the bible proven untrue | Ps 119:160 | ateo | 67287 | ||
Rextar, Thanks for your response! "The circumference of the bowl would almost have to be taken from the inside..." If this is how you interpret the verse, then your explanation is certainly plausible. However, the verse says that it took a measure of 30 cubits AROUND. (emphasis mine) So I see it as being 10 cubits from outside rim to outside rim and 30 cubits along the exterior. ateo |
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14 | Is anything in the bible proven untrue | Ps 119:160 | ateo | 67275 | ||
Joe, I'll take your questions one at a time. "How are you certain that it is not the diameter of the sea that is being approximated, or the cirumference, or both?" B/C to assume something like that is pure speculation. To the best of my ability, I try not to add to Scripture, I take it as it comes. "How precise does a recorded measurement of a circumference have to be to its diameter times an irrational number in order for it to meet the great atheist's standard of precision?" Assuming the diameter is 10 cubits, the circumference should be 31.4159265... Thus, I wouldn't have a beef if the circumference was given as 31.5 cubits. "Do you really think that something pitiful like this proves the Bible to be unreliable?" No. As I said before, it's not that big of a deal. "I suppose that if I said that I lived 400 miles away from my parents, but actually lived 412 miles away, then I suppose I couldn't be trusted to give an accurate representation of the facts." This argument looks good on paper, but you are a human being, so I expect you to roundoff a little. I don't expect God to give an approximation that was worse than ones already found by mathematicians at the time. Being a graduate student in math, I suppose I take this a little too personally. :-) As I said before, it's not earth-shattering. There's really nothing there to debate. ateo |
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15 | Is anything in the bible proven untrue | Ps 119:160 | ateo | 67235 | ||
Joe, Quite the opposite. Estimations by their very nature are not equal to the true value and are, therefore, untrue. Now, I'm not saying this should be shattering to a Xian's faith, but don't deny that the Bible gives a bad approximation for pi. ateo |
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16 | Does "'almah" mean "virgin"? | Is 7:14 | ateo | 66892 | ||
We could argue all day long about whether "alma" should be translated as "virgin" or not. Personally, I think a more interesting topic of debate is whether or not Isaiah 7:14 is even referring to the messiah. If you read the preceeding verses and the ones that follow, it seems as though Isaiah is talking about a sign to King Ahaz. In other words, this verse doesn't appear to be a prophecy that would be fulfilled 700 years hence, but rather one that would be fulfilled in the very near future. ateo |
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17 | From where is the KIngdom Lydia? | Dan 2:31 | ateo | 60634 | ||
EdB, As always I appreciate your speedy response. I must admit I have enjoyed discussing this with you. Sadly, I feel I should bail on this topic for now. The reason is that I don't think I can do it justice, and anything I say from this point on would be repetitive. Graduate school keeps me very busy, and I don't have time to research enough. However, stay on your guard, because when I have more free time, I will probably be eager to pick up right where we left off. :-) On a different note, when I decide how to phrase it, I'm going to post a question. So this is a special invitation for you to join the discussion. Finally, I will summarize my argument one final time and offer you a chance to respond. As I'm casually reading through Daniel 2, it seems obvious that the 1st empire is Babylon. In my never-be-humble opinion, "head" is used anatomically, not as a reference to the head of Babylon. The 2nd nation must be inferior, and I see it as a military inferiority. The last nation was divided, which clearly Greece was. Lastly, if Rome is truly one of the nations in this vision, why is it the only one never named throughout the book? I'll let you have the last word. ateo |
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18 | From where is the KIngdom Lydia? | Dan 2:31 | ateo | 60562 | ||
EdB, In my post I forgot to return the question to you. Why are you trying to make Rome the 4th nation? ateo |
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19 | From where is the KIngdom Lydia? | Dan 2:31 | ateo | 60560 | ||
EdB, When Daniel tells Neubchadnezzar in verse 38 "You are that head of gold" the usage of the word head seems to be anatomical in nature. The head was at the top of the image, therefore, the 1st empire had to necessarily be the head. I'm not trying to make Greece anything. I'm reading the story and, to the best of my ability, trying to see which scenario fits best. In my opinion everything in the book of Daniel points at Greece. Let's suppose for a moment that you're right, i.e. Rome is the last nation. Why does Daniel tell us about specific visions that concerned 3 of the 4 nations, and yet, doesn't even give us a name for the 4th? ateo |
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20 | From where is the KIngdom Lydia? | Dan 2:31 | ateo | 60503 | ||
EdB, You said, "Your contention that Lydia..." I wouldn't think of it as a contention but rather as a suggestion. More on that later. Let's take our discussion about the "inferior" empire out of the Biblical context for a moment. By your reasoning our gov't in the US was inferior to the communist gov't of the former Soviet Union, simply b/c our gov't exercises less control over its people than did the USSR's. I don't think anyone of sound mind would agree with that, though. However, I think most people would agree that Iraq, for example, is an inferior nation to us b/c of our military superiority over it. They say it takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, and that's what I'm going to do. Since I posted on Thursday night, I've tried to study more about Daniel and what the image in chapter 2 could have represented. I think I may have stumbled onto a better suggestion. What if the 2nd empire was Media and the 3rd was Persia. Notice that Isaiah 13:17 predicts that God would stir up the Medes against Babylon. Also, Daniel 8:20 refers to "the kings of Media and Persia" and not the kings of Media-Persia. So, is it possible that Daniel was acknowledging them as 2 separate nations? WBS ateo |
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