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1 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18906 | ||
Ok. I'll try. But I will do it later because today is friday and the Sabbath is coming (at the down of the sun of today) and I've too much work. So once I've finished my labours (I hope before Sabbath) I'll repond your request. Let me tell that you are one of the most kind and openminded "contender" wich I have talked about this issue. Most of them are very insolent and rude. Praise the Lord for your capabilities. God bless you and by the way... Happy Sabbath, Yehoshua |
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2 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18902 | ||
Your're right. My last post was taken from a site that I discover recently. By digging a little bit more deeper, I've found some "gymnastic" doctrinal phrases too. So, I think some aspects are valid, some not. But if you don't mind I recomed you a favorite site: http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/sabbath/bacchiocchi-2.htm. This article is from Samuele Bacchiocchi. He's a very respected biblical scholar. Sorry brother, I've lost the sequence...What passage of Colossians do your refer? I do agree. The Law must be seen as a whole. And indeed it is moral basically. My point -perhaps I wasn't clear- is that the 10 Comm have a differente treatment by God that the other rest of the Law. The most valid argument to sustain my point is the Bible itself. The Holy ghost, through Paul, stablishes the 10 Comm as the basis to determine what is sin (Rom 3:20). You can say that ANY rebellion against the will of God is sin. And it is (remember Adam). But I would like you to tell me ¿why does the Holy Spirit inspires Paul to use the "Not covet" commandment and not a ceremonial rite? "Being a revelation of God's will for mankind, the law reveals the nature of sin as disobedience to God. Paul explains that "through the Law comes the knowledge of sin" (Rom 3:20) because the Law causes people to recognize their sins and themselves as sinners. It is evident that this important function of the Law could not have been terminated by Christ, since the need to acknowledge sin in one's life is as fundamental to the life of Christians today as it was for the Israelites of old." Samuele Bacchiocchi Thanks for your time and interest. God bless you, Yehoshua |
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3 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18866 | ||
I can agree with your perspective about the perfection of sacrificial law at the Jesus death. The point is that this law is no longer valid. The Ten Commandments are moral. See their nature (Exodus 20). None of them could be taken away as the sacrifice of a lamb can be, for example. The Sabbath is inside the Ten Commandments, therefore its a moral issue. ¿Do you want to see the difference between these two laws? Well first of all, I ask the Holy Spirit guides us. He will respond your question. Lets see Deuteronomy 31: "24 After Moses finished writing in a book the words of this law from beginning to end, 25 he gave this command to the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD: 26 "Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you." ¿Do you see? God himself give clear instructions to Moses about one Law, the one Moses wrote: "place it beside the ark of the covenant" On the other hand, God give clear instructions about the 10 Comm. See Deut 10:1-5: "1 At that time the LORD said to me, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones and come up to me on the mountain. Also make a wooden chest [or an ark] 2 I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. Then you are to put them in the chest." 3 So I made the ark out of acacia wood and chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I went up on the mountain with the two tablets in my hands. 4 The LORD wrote on these tablets what he had written before, the Ten Commandments he had proclaimed to you on the mountain, out of the fire, on the day of the assembly. And the LORD gave them to me. 5 Then I came back down the mountain and put the tablets in the ark I had made, as the LORD commanded me, and they are there now." Obviously there were two laws. both are different. One was put ASIDE the ark the other was put INSIDE the ark (by the way ¿do you know waht does it mean the ark?). The difference between them roots in its nature. The 10 Comm, first given in Exo 20, are preceed by His declaration as the Saviour of Israel (see Exo 20:2). As you can see the very nature of Sabbath is moral. Read the Commmandment: Exodus 20 8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. What is the reason to keep Sabbath? The verse 11 gives the answer: because "the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day." And continues reafirming the reason "Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." The Lord made it holy and saint. Its a time to communion with Him,to remember Him as our Creator and Saviour. There's nothing ceremonial with that. Its totally moral. A relation with our Almighty Lord can not be "ceremonial" but moral. Something deeply personal. ¿Don't you agree? God bless you brother, Yehoshua God said to Moses |
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4 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18864 | ||
Continued... Now notice that the word "day" in the authorized version is in italics. This means it is not found in the Greek manuscripts, but is a help-word added by the English translators. In most cases these help-words clarify and aid us in a better understanding of the Bible. But in this passage the added word "day" is quite misleading to the Bible student. The key to the significance of verse 7 lies in a proper understanding of Yahweh’s seven Annual Holy Days that are listed in order in Leviticus 23. Acts 20:6 reveals that Paul arrived in Troas after the Days of Unleavened Bread. Our attention is called to these special days to emphasize that they were still being observed. First of the Week The verse under consideration deals with the first day of the week. As already mentioned, in the Greek the verse reads "first of the sabbaths." Dr. Bullinger notes in his Companion Bible that this was "the first day of the sabbaths, i.e., the first day for reckoning the seven sabbaths to Pentecost." Paul continued preaching to the brethren in Troas quite late, for we note that many lamps or torches were in the upper chamber (Acts 20:8-9). As Paul continued speaking, likely the fumes from the lamps made Eutychus sleepy, causing him to fall three stories below. While we have no record of Paul’s topic, his discourse very likely centered on an explanation of Pentecost, the next Annual Feast day, and how to count the seven Sabbaths. Upon counting the seven weekly Sabbaths (49 days), the next day would be the 50th day or Pentecost. Pentecost was clearly on Paul’s mind, for he was hastening to arrive in Jerusalem by then, verse 16. See John 20:1, Luke 24:1, Matthew 28:1, and Mark 16:2. According to Dr. Bullinger and the Greek texts, these verses relate to the first weekly Sabbath which begins the counting of seven weekly Sabbaths toward Pentecost. Acts 20:7 cannot be taken as evidence for a change of weekly worship from Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday because Paul himself was a teacher to the Gentiles, Acts 9:15. The Savior chose a strict observer of the letter of the law, a Pharisee of the Pharisees, to go to the Gentiles and teach them Yahweh’s way of life. Paul was this choice, and he continued to teach the Gentiles on the Saturday Sabbath (Acts 16:13; 13:42-46; 17:2; 18:4). The context of the passage shows that the center of attention is on Yahweh’s Holy Days. Keep in mind that the early Greek manuscripts do not contain the Greek word meaning day ("hemera"). The word for "day" simply is not found in the Greek and has been added by translators. Acts 20:7 literally reads, "on And one of the Sabbaths, having been assembled the disciples to break bread, Paul reasoned to them, being about to depart on the morrow; he continued and the discourse until midnight" (J. P. Green). What we find there is the spirit of truth through the Apostle Paul’s teaching Yahweh’s Word as found in Leviticus 23:15-16. He showed the Gentile brethren how to count the seven complete Sabbaths to arrive at the correct time to observe Pentecost. Paul also taught the cosmopolitan, pagan Corinthians about Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread: "For even Messiah our Passover is sacrificed for us: therefore let us keep the Feast..." 1Corinthians 5:7-8. He explains that because Yahshua has become our Passover sacrifice, let us get cleaned up, be clean from our old ways, and feed on the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 2) About 1 Cor 16:1 "The collection for the saints" features prominently in Paul's letters and seems to have been his project for nearly twenty years. One central concern of his was the reconciliation of Jews and Gentiles within the church (see especially Eph. 2:11-22). The collection of funds from his largely Gentile churches to aid impoverished Jewish believers in Jerusalem gave Paul a practical way in which to manifest his desire for reconciliation between these groups. Such a project also reflects Paul's belief in the words of Isaiah 58:6-8 and Matthew 25:34-46. How we treat those less fortunate than ourselves reflects in a major way our love for the Lord. Paul encourages the Corinthians to make advance preparation for "the collection for the saints," which is to be gathered when he next arrives. "The context has little to do with church assemblies. What is called for is the private budgeting of an individual."--D. R. de Lacy, "Holy Days," Dictionary of Paul and His Letters, ed. Gerald F. Hawthorne and others (Downers Grove, III.: InterVarsity Press, 1993), p.404. The passage may actually be taken as evidence for the continuing significance of Sabbath among Paul's churches. The "putting aside" is an individual act done at home and likely represents the use of the first day for financial activity that would have been judged inappropriate on the Christian Sabbath. God bless you, Yoshua |
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5 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18863 | ||
1) About Acts 20:7 Does Acts 20:7 Teach Sunday Worship? Was Paul really preaching on Sunday in Acts 20:7? A close look dispels this popular belief and discloses important days for observing today. A most controversial and debated passage in the entire New Testament is found in Acts 20:7: "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." Often cited as proof that the early disciples had been instructed by the Savior to observe Sunday, this verse supposedly shows that they were indeed now keeping the first day of the week instead of observing the day we know as Saturday. Certain translations of this passage render it the same as the King James Version, namely, "the first day of the week." However, other translations render it Saturday night (New English Bible, Good News for Modern Man). How are we to understand this enigmatic passage? Churchianity’s understanding of this passage is divided. Those who worship on Sunday insist this is a powerful passage in support of Sunday-keeping, and is a paramount verse used to show that the Apostle Paul was now keeping Sunday as a day of worship. But Sabbath-keepers contend that it is indeed a Saturday evening message Paul preached that lasted into the night, into the first day of the week that begins at sunset (known to us as Sunday). They cite verses 8 and 9 to substantiate that it was evening and that there were many lights in the upper chamber. The evidence indicates that this latter understanding provides a clearer explanation. Biblical days end with sunset as well as start at sunset. No Communion Happening Here Believe it or not, Acts 20:7 was never inspired by Yahweh’s Spirit to support Sunday worship! It has been twisted to teach a counterfeit day of worship. These verses have nothing to do with observing Sunday, but actually show that Paul was keeping the same Holy Days given to Israel that will be kept in the Kingdom. Neither does this verse teach us to partake each Sunday of the symbols of the body and blood of our beloved Savior by taking the cup and breaking of bread. The expression "breaking of bread" here simply means sharing a common meal such as in Acts 2:42; 46. Note especially Acts 27:35: "And when [Paul] had thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to Yahweh in presence of them all: and when he had broken it, he began to eat." Bread in those days was not sliced as today, but broken off in chunks, then often dipped in a sauce or broth before being eaten. Acts 20:11 shows that Paul, having revived Eutychus, went back up and ate bread, continuing his conversation until daybreak. This Was 25 Years AFTER Yahshua Verse 6 tells us that Paul sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, arriving in Troas five days later where they stayed for seven days. Passover and the days of Unleavened Bread always come around the time of the spring barley harvest heralding the first of the seven annual Feast Days for Israel. Why does Luke, in the year 57, make special mention of the Days of Unleavened Bread, which always follow the spring festival of Passover? This is some 25 years after the Messiah’s death and ascension to the heavens! If the Days of Unleavened Bread are now done away, as some erroneously teach, why does Luke call attention to them in Paul’s dealing with the Gentiles? Paul had evidently stayed in Philippi to observe these days with the non-Israelite Philippian brethren. Notice that the cup or fruit of the vine is nowhere mentioned in Acts 20:7-11, as it is in 1Corinthians 10:16. The cup would be required had this been an observance of the Passover or the "Master’s Supper." Furthermore, verse 6 reveals that Paul had already kept this annual memorial service before his arrival in Troas. It is quite clear that upon Paul’s planning to depart from Troas, the brethren came together for a common meal, a "farewell supper," and Paul preached a discourse unto them, continuing until midnight and beyond. Paul was not partaking of a "Communion" or "Master’s Supper." He ate later, verse 11. The cup or "fruit of the vine" are nowhere mentioned. This was a common meal. This verse has a much more profound meaning for those who are searching for Yahweh’s truth and seeking His will. Understanding this verse will help us go on unto perfection. Paul Observes An Annual Sabbath In Green’s Interlinear Bible, where the English is translated directly under the Greek, Acts 20:7 reads, "on and the one of the Sabbaths." In the King James the word "week" is the Greek plural of No. 4521 in Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance and means the Sabbath. It is the equivalent of the Hebrew No. 7676 and means the Sabbath, the day of weekly repose, a rest from secular avocations. to be continued... |
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6 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18846 | ||
With these two passages I don't think you have the freedom to choice wich day you want to adore Him. Let's clarify the issue: The Law of GOd (Moral or 10 Comm)is eternal. The 4th Commandment (note says commandment not proposal) its included in that Law. Therefore, the Sabbath is the day Lord asks us to keep holy. The Bible doesn't change these day. Your two verses don't validate the adoration in sunday in the way the Bible validates the Lord's adoration in Sabbath. Paul and the apostles preach in Sabbath. See Acts 13:42,44. And Paul by these time wasn't jewish ¿isn't he? But look Acts 17:2. "As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures," His custom? And he wasn't jewish no more? So he kept Sabbath! OH praise the Lord!, the Bible does validate teh adoration on Sabbath/Saturday. It is written. |
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7 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18845 | ||
True, you never said New Pact abolish the Law. But the Lord gave a Moral Law and a sacrificial Law (Moses). The Moral Law is applicable to everybody in every age. The sacrificial Law was nailed with the death of Jesus at the cross. His Law is eternal as He is. God bless you, Yoshua |
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8 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18844 | ||
The Creation was sealed with a Day of Rest: the Sabbath. The Redemption was sealed with a day of Rest: the Sabbath. That's what the Bible says. Jesus rested in the grave all the sabbath just as He did in the Week of Creation. He doesn't change His day of rest. It's the Seventh not the first day of the week. God bless you, Yoshua |
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9 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18840 | ||
Dear brother if some people in the early church change sunday for sabbath, they were wrong. Many members of early christians kept Sabbath as the Lord has spoken. All of you believe the apostles kept sunday and thats not true. They kept Sabbath, because they undersatnd perfectly that Jesus did'nt came to abolish the Law. With Jesus death, they understood obedience is a demonstration of salvation. They began to obey because they were already saved and not in order to obtain salvation. The majority of you think taht between the Law and the Grace exist contraposition. And that's not true. They complement each other. Let me explain: ¿for what do you need the grace? to be saved. Saved from what? From your sin. And what is sin? Transgression of the Law (disobedience). So if the Law doesn't exist how do you know waht is sin? (Paul explians that in Rom 7:7). Do you see? the grace is the gift to be saved from sin. when you're saved you demonstrate your gratitude by the obedience to your Saviour. that's why God take His people from Egypt and THEN He gaves them His Law. First, He gaves freedom and then, when you're free from sin (Egypt), He explains his will for you in order to be happy(expressed in the 10 Commandments, basically). I do not obey the Law in order to find salvation. I'm saved by the blood of Christ and that's a free gift. But, now that I'm saved I will obey because I love my Saviour. That's why He always said if you love me then obey me. (John 14:15) and (1 Jhon 2:4). You'll find none verse about the divine validation of sunday as a day of the Lord, but you can find at least 10 verses about Sabbath as the day of the Lord. Think about it... I pray the Holy Ghost talks to you and explains this theme. Sorry if I have been rude or vague. I'm just human. your brother in Christ, Yoshua |
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10 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18838 | ||
So, the New Covenant abolish the Law? If you think so, go and tell lies and kill people or even better: dishonour your parents. Or perhaps it gives you freedom to steal?...But remember Rom 3:31 and Matt 5:17 You're wrong. The New Covenant doesn't abolish the Law. And the trangression of the Law is sin (1 John 3:4). And NOWHERE in the Bible God has said Sunday is my day. He always said "my Sabbath". The tradition changes the sabbath to sunday. Not the Lord. The passages you've sent talks about collect of offerings and preaches. It doesn't mean sunday is the day of the Lord. Go, obey the tradition (Col 2:8)and think for a minute ¿the Law is abolished? ¿Jesus fullfilled the Law and I can do whatever I want? ¿Are the Ten Commandments temporal? or are eternal... Forgot the sabbath. Keep sinning. It's your choice. |
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11 | U.S.A. in Bible Prophesy? | Revelation | Yoshua | 18837 | ||
Sadly you haven't understand the fullfillment of shadows in the real things. Literal Israel is not anymore the Nation of God since the Christian Church has come to be His People through their faith in His sacrifice at the cross. So ¿why do you keep talking about literal Jerusalem? Please, explain to me that sentence about "the US is included as one of the countries in the Antichrist’s confederation" ¿from where do you conclude that? May the Lord bless you, Yoshua |
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12 | The Rapture in Revelation | Revelation | Yoshua | 18836 | ||
I do agree with your commentaries about the Second Advent in Rev 14:15-16. But I think from verse 17 until 20 it refers to the final destruction of the wicked. "This can hardly be applied at the time of the second advent, for events are here given in chronological order, and the destruction of the wicked would be contemporaneous with the gathering of the righteous. Again, the living wicked at Christ's coming drink of the "cup" of His indignation. But this passage brings to view the time when they perish in the "winepress" of His wrath, which is said to be trodden "without the city," answering completely to the description of Revelation 20: 9, this latter expression more naturally denoting their complete and final destruction." Urias Smith in "The Prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation" |
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13 | The Rapture in Revelation | Revelation | Yoshua | 18835 | ||
I have 3 questions: 1. ¿The prophecy of 70 Weeks (Dan 9:20) is for Israel or for the Christian Church? Hint: Read the inmediat context. 2. ¿When does this prophecy start? 3. ¿What does it mean, for you, the cease of sacrifice and the oblation in Dan 9:27? |
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14 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18809 | ||
I do not agree. You know waht is sin? Sin is the trangression of the Law. The Law is no a "tradition" is the Will of God. ¿Ain't it? So, if you kill is a sin, if you tell lies is a sin. ¿Do you really beleive God would take away one of His commandments? Let James provides you a big insight about the Law: James 2: 10-11. The aposles known well the sanctity and eternity of the Law of God. They accepted it as the Will of God. Later doctrines mixed up the pure doctrine of the O.T., wich was the one Jesus followed. So Saturday/Sabbath is the day of worshipfor God. For everybody else: you can do as He said or not. Yoshua |
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15 | When did the day of worship change? | Acts | Yoshua | 18808 | ||
So the people change a direct commandment from God...very human. but ¿what does God think about that? ¿Does He accept disobedience? Yoshua |
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16 | U.S.A. in Bible Prophesy? | Revelation | Yoshua | 18799 | ||
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