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1 | communion: symbolic or something more? | 1 Cor 11:29 | Perceval96 | 85053 | ||
Although this was linked as a reply to me, I did not even mention transsubstantation, let alone equate it with cannibalism. Although I believe the elements are symbols, to characterise those who disagree with me as condoning cannibalism would be tendentious and impolite. | ||||||
2 | communion: symbolic or something more? | 1 Cor 11:29 | Perceval96 | 85049 | ||
You wrote: "Jesus' words in verse 25 of 1Corinthians 11 says that "this cup is the new covenant in my blood". It is with the cup of Communion that he establishes his covenant." Only if 'cup is covenant' (your first sentence) is taken symbolically can your second sentence avoid saying 'Jesus established the covenant with the covenant'. I disagree with neither of your sentences, separately or together -- only with your unstated conclusion. In asking where the "must" came from, I was suggesting that your remark, "Since the covenant that Jesus instituted is the Lords Supper, that same presence must be manifest in the elements of the covenant", was a non-sequitur. As far as I understand your new note -- in essence assertion rather than an argued case -- I now feel sure it is a non-sequitur. This is my first foray onto this board, which I thought was about questions and answers on Bible verses and passages. I'm not up for doctrine wars, and I do wonder how much all this stuff is really helpful (or even meant to be helpful) to the enquirer, proffitt_79? Forgive me, please, if I sit this one out! |
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3 | communion: symbolic or something more? | 1 Cor 11:29 | Perceval96 | 84958 | ||
I'm not sure I follow. Money *is* a symbol (a coin is a token, a note is a promise). It would help me if you could put your point in other terms. In addition, I could not follow your reasoning in "Since the covenant that Jesus instituted is the Lords Supper, that same presence must be manifest in the elements of the covenant". I didn't think the covenant was the supper, and I didn't see where the "must" came from, especially since Jesus named the (let's call them) equivalences before his body was crucified and his blood was shed. Help me out here, please. |
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