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1 | meaning of Matthew 27:52-53 | Matt 27:52 | Listener | 102905 | ||
Great observations, Makarios. Thanks, Listener |
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2 | meaning of Matthew 27:52-53 | Matt 27:52 | Listener | 102714 | ||
As you say, this line of thinking does inspire deeper study. In looking at all the verses in the NT which contain a form of the word "resurrect", I noticed a couple of things which tend to confirm our thinking (or at least what I think is our thinking): 1) The passages which reference the resurrection almost all seem to point to Jesus' singular resurrection. Rom 6:5 For if we have become united with [Him] in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [in the likeness] of His resurrection, 1 Cor 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 1 Cor 15:21 For since by a man [came] death, by a man also [came] the resurrection of the dead. and there are many more examples. 2) The few passages which reference a past plural resurrection seem to be more like Lazarus', not a glorified, incorruptible body. Heb 11:35 Women received [back] their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection; Note that this passage even indicates a difference between past resurrections (other than Jesus') and "a better resurrection". 3) If many were resurrected in glorified bodies along with Jesus, wouldn't they all be "declared the Son of God", according to the following verse? Rom 1:4 who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord, Hope I'm not wearing this topic out. Thanks, and God's peace be with you. Listener |
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3 | meaning of Matthew 27:52-53 | Matt 27:52 | Listener | 102618 | ||
Greetings Makarios, I think your first post was more in line with scripture. 1 Cor 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come... This verse says that those who belong to Jesus will be resurrected when He comes, not at the crucifiction or His resurrection. Those in Matthew 27:52 were likely raised like Lazarus, not with glorified, incorruptible bodies. Listener |
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4 | Does the OT talk about resurrection? | Matt 22:30 | Listener | 72549 | ||
Tim, I know it's been awhile since you wrote the note - but... Carefull examination of the context of 2 Thess 2:7 shows that the one restrained is the antichrist (the beast). Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Revelation 20:1 ¶And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. So it seems that an angel is given authority to remove the restraint from the antichrist allowing him to ascend from the bottomless pit. This seems straightforward to me but I've seen very few others who see it the same way. Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Listener |
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5 | Should women be teaching in churches? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Listener | 48000 | ||
rwash, I take exception to the assertion that "Paul often admists that what he writes is his opinion". In one passage he draws a distinction between truth revealed by the earthly ministry of Christ and truth revealed by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit through Paul himself (1 Cor 7:10-40). This is not the same as equating the Pauline epistles with personal opinion. Peter regarded all of Paul's epistles as difficult, yet also as scripture: 2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Listener |
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6 | Support for Israel! | 1 Chr 12:18 | Listener | 47310 | ||
Absolutely! Men will continue to say: Ezekiel 13:10 ¶Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace... But there is no peace apart from Jesus: Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) But when we pray for the peace of Jerusalem we are also praying for spiritual revival and enlightenment of the individuals who inhabit the city. That is, we are praying that Jesus would reveal Himself to them and grant them saving faith in Him, after which He will soon return. Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Come quickly, Lord Jesus |
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7 | Do not quench the Spirit | 1 Thess 5:19 | Listener | 36150 | ||
SuzyQ, Please don't give up on this form of communication. It may take some time to get used to, just like any other form of communication. You have a great deal to contribute, and it would be a shame if a bunch of "case protocol police" (like myself) kept you from sharing your wisdom. If I have offended, my apologies are sincerely offered. Keep on, Listener |
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8 | Do not quench the Spirit | 1 Thess 5:19 | Listener | 36130 | ||
Suzyq, You are absolutely right, the size of the letters is not what matters. Please remember though, that communication by definition requires a receiver of the message. If a reader interprets upper-case letters as shouting, then to him or her it IS shouting. WHAT MUST I DO TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? Of course, it is not the font or even the words you use that is important, it is the message. But, to the reader, the words, and yes, even the font, define the message. And please, keep the messages coming. I like them. Listener |
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9 | Tribulation before rapture? | Matthew | Listener | 35832 | ||
Steve, Dan 7:25 'He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, ... and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. Rev 13:5 There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him... Rev 13:7 ¶ It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, ... Rev 13:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. Listener |
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10 | The Restrainer - Revisited! | 2 Thess 2:7 | Listener | 35730 | ||
Robert, You are as sensible and articulate as anyone I have heard defending pre-trib doctrines. I find some inconsistencies in all the ___-trib rapture theories, but it seems to me that the pre-trib is the most challenging to defend. I certainly don't have it all figured out, but I'm praying that I'll be faithfull to both watch and be ready. Come quickly Lord Jesus. Thanks, Listener |
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11 | The Restrainer - Revisited! | 2 Thess 2:7 | Listener | 35565 | ||
Robert, Thanks for all the descriptive info regarding ancient middle-eastern marriage customs. I have a hard time, though, picturing the Lord and the raptured church enjoying seven days/years of intimacy while the tribulation saints are enduring the worst persecution of all time at the hands of the antichrist. Does this seem consistent to you? Thanks, Listener |
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12 | The Restrainer - Revisited! | 2 Thess 2:7 | Listener | 35564 | ||
Robert, Thanks for your thoughtfull response. I guess I'm having a little trouble following your train of thought. You seem to be agreeing that: 1) It is the antichrist that is being restrained. 2) The place of restraint is the abyss. Yet you maintain that it is the church/Holy Spirit that is doing the restraining? Please clarify. The Holy Spirit as the restrainer via the church seems inconsistent to me. The church is not present in the abyss, where the antichrist is restrained. Further, the picture in Revelation of the beast ascending from the pit when the key is given to a fallen angel seems unrelated to the church. Thanks, Listener |
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13 | What does Fear God really mean? | Acts 13:16 | Listener | 35401 | ||
Wak, My favorite "fear God" passages are actually "fear not" passages. Like Luke 2:8And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. 11Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ[1] the Lord. This illustrates both the fearfull and the freindly aspects of Holiness. Listener |
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14 | nephillim offspring of fallen angels? | Gen 6:1 | Listener | 35399 | ||
Prayon, If the verse is describing intermarriage between godly and ungodly persons, then why do they have giants for offspring? Listener |
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15 | The Restrainer - Revisited! | 2 Thess 2:7 | Listener | 35370 | ||
Robert, Regarding the issue of Christ coming "for His saints, then with His saints". I do not find a second coming, then a third coming, described anywhere in scripture. The second coming is clearly stated: Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. But I find no mention of a third coming. What do you make of the following passage? 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Doesn't this verse indicate that those suffering persecution will get relief when Jesus is revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance on the wicked? This doesn't seem to fit a second, then third return of Christ. Also, the passage you cited regarding the "for His saints" return, seems to me to portay an audible, visible return in the clouds, rather than the secret, mystery rapture portayed by Lahaye, Inc. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. There is additional info on this topic at www.signministries.org but IMHO they do a better job of refuting the pre-trib position than defending their own (pre-wrath) position. I have a couple of other problems with the pre-wrath position. That interpretation seems to equate "not appointed to wrath" with "not appointed to persecution". The antichrist will "wear out the saints" for 3.5 years (Dan 7:25, Rev 13:7-10). To say the "not appointed to wrath" promise applies to us but not to the "tribulation saints" is inconsistent. Will we be feasting at the marriage supper of the Lamb while our brethren in the faith are being killed for their testimony about Jesus? Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Certainly, no believer will suffer the wrath of God, but we may need to endure the wrath of evil, as have all our brethren in the faith before us. Heb 11:32-40, Rev 1:9 2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. These are some of the main issues I have with the "for His saints" then "with His saints" scenario. If you know of a specific passage which supports the second, then third coming of Jesus I would be interested to see it. Thanks, Listener |
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16 | The Restrainer - Revisited! | 2 Thess 2:7 | Listener | 35329 | ||
Hi Robert, Thanks for responding to my post. I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately I raised too many issues in my previous post, please let me stick to "the restrainer" for a moment. I agree with your observation that the "star fallen from heaven to earth" would seem to be a spiritually fallen angel in Revelation 9:1. The angel in Revelation 20:1, which throws Satan into the bottomless pit is apparently not fallen. Taking both these passages into account, along with what was previously posted, one may assert: 1) The antichrist/beast is the entity restrained. 2) The location of restraint is the bottomless pit. (from previous post) 3) He (the Lord Jesus) who owns the key to the pit is the restrainer, directly or indirectly. 4) When He yields the key of the pit to the fallen angel, the beast will arise from the pit. 5) At the end of the tribulation period the beast will again be restrained there for 1000 years. Would you agree with these assertions? Could the pit be synonymous with hell or Hades? The passages below may be helpfull. Why does 2 Thess 2:6 refer to "what restains" while v. 7 refers to "who" restains "until He is taken out of the way"? This post is getting lengthy - perhaps we can take up the "with His saints vs. for His saints" issue in another thread. I shouldn't have raised the issue in this one. 2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 3:7 ¶And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; |
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17 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Listener | 35162 | ||
Thanks Mommapbs, Your response really got at the meat of the passage. There is a new day coming, to be announced by the voice of an archangel and the trumpet of God. The King of Kings will appear in blazing glory, all flesh will see Him together, and He will put all things under His feet. We will enjoy a wonderfull banquet together - Him and all His own. Come quickly Lord Jesus. See you there, Mommapbs, Listener |
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18 | Will all of Israel be saved? | Rom 11:26 | Listener | 32358 | ||
Kalos, While I agree with the specifics of your response, the I would like to clarify the general tone. Believers today inherit THE promise to Abraham. Romans 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. It is through the Son that Abraham is a blessing to all people. This is the substance of the promise. Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Through Jesus, His Divinity, His humanity, His death on the cross in payment for our sins and His resurrection, we inherit THE promise. We obtain forgiveness, the fellowship of the Spirit, resurrection and an eternal home with Him. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. While we inherit the substance of the promise, the kingdom of heaven, we do not inherit the kingdom of David, the land of Israel, etc. |
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19 | Two witnesses of Revelation - prophets? | OT general | Listener | 31733 | ||
Kalos, I did search for my question before asking, that's why it was posted to a thread on the topic. I had not seen the idea that the two witnesses could be gentile and Jewish believers addressed in the thread, and was hoping for feedback on this. Thanks, Listener |
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20 | Is Israel still chosen? | Joel 3:20 | Listener | 30849 | ||
It has been bothering me that my answer omitted the best NT reference on this topic - Romans 11. The entire chapter discusses your question, but verse 29 has particular relevance: ... for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Hope this helps, Listener |
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