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1 | Triune gods began in babylon? | 1 Thess 5:23 | Julian Hawyah | 57487 | ||
You added the word Christ for Logos. Take out the genetive pronouns from which the greek can show in verse 2 that it is 'the same' not 'him' God's word about the coming savior was made a reality - flesh...finally happened. The only begotten of the Father was born. Careful to not add to the Word when studying it. Look at the account of Eve being tricked by the serpent... Genesis 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, NEITHER SHALL YOU TOUCH IT, lest ye die. Genesis 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. I don't see God saying that they couldn't touch it, yet Eve said that - and she was headed down the wrong road then - Thou shalt surely die is not the same as lest ye die. Shall means absolutely. Dictionary: lest (lst) conj. For fear that: (ie. tiptoed lest the guard should hear her; anxious lest he become ill. ) Just a reminder of what can happen when you change the word of God. |
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2 | Triune gods began in babylon? | 1 Thess 5:23 | Julian Hawyah | 57486 | ||
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: The term in Hebrew is one - singular - none else beside. If you want to read into it and say there are three - yet still one - go ahead. but the doctrine from God is that he is one. I believe people can twist that around in their mind to make it seem like '3 is 1' but that's impossible and confusing. You can't teach a child the trinity doctrine and have them understand it without having them break rules of language and logic. Three are not one in the same. Our Heavenly Father and his son Jesus Christ are one in purpose, not one in being. Jesus Christ said: John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. He (Jesus Christ) is standing in front of these people and saying these words. Simple. Jesus Christ didn't teach us to pray to himself in any way - rather to God-his Father (Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven..) He didn't pray to himself. Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Jesus Christ didn't offer himself to himself - rahter God. John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. Jesus Christ was born - there is no word incarnate in the bible Plus Psalm 106:48 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting to everlasting: and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the LORD. God need not be born, and likewise God couldn't die if that verse is true. John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. Not his own will, but the Father's John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise Nothing of his own self. And to top it all off - a verse clear as day - that many people do not know or respect: 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Who is God? The Father. That's what the Word says. His wonderful son, the Lord Jesus Christ is our Savior Most Christians today don't ever get the chance to be taught that God is One, not three, and that his Son Jesus Christ was born of God, man's perfect redeemer, and not God. It just get's forced on them - they are ridiculed and outcasts if they even look into the truth of Jesus Christ's nature. Most Christians today are not loving to someone who sees anything but the trinity. How ridiculous this has become - how far from God's plan and respect toward him he deserves. Without God's son - we'd be unsaved and without hope in this world. But without God - nothing would be. Glory to God - the Creator of heaven and earth. Praise and thanksgiving to his wonderful son, our Lord Christ Jesus - who did what no-other could do - and paid the price for our redemption. Julian The word of God began to fit wonderfully in my mind once the mis-conceptions of tradition and error were taken away from that which I was raised to believe. But confusion and lack of answers from the men - had me turn to the Word of God and led to a diligent study - letting the Word of God speak for itself and not makind. I suggest you do the same if this at all interests you, a knowledge of how to study the word rightly divided is necessary. See my post on that subject elsewhere on the forum. Understanding unclear verses in-light of clear verses is a key to this as well. God-Bless. |
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3 | Triune gods began in babylon? | 1 Thess 5:23 | Julian Hawyah | 57411 | ||
I have studied all of those verses in great detail and have come up with a differing view based on the rest of the clear principles in the word. You still did not answer my questions though. | ||||||
4 | Who are we? | Gen 1:26 | Julian Hawyah | 57402 | ||
If you note the context of the book of Ephesians Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: It's clear that this book is written to and can be applied in light of those who are faithful (gk. pistis - believers) in Christ Jesus. Along with those saints (believers) at Ephesus. I am interested in your and Serenetime's talk on letting the word of God interpret itself. I'll have to post an in-depth guide on letting the scriptures interpret themselves soon. God Bless, Julian |
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5 | Triune gods began in babylon? | 1 Thess 5:23 | Julian Hawyah | 57375 | ||
First off, I have love toward all our brethren and wish not to cause any contention between belivers. 2nd I do believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and God raised him from the dead - that's how you get born again Romans 10:9-10 Romans 9:5 shows that God blessed Christ. One need not switch the wording around, the same as in other places where it mentions that God blessed something or someone. Without our Savior, we would still be dead in our sins. And as I mentioned in the last posting, Christ is our Lord and Savior. Don't jump to conclusions and get all upset about things, say things that aren't being said - it doesn't profit if one person starts that. Jesus Christ was our perfect redeemer, a man, just as you wrote in Phil 2:7 He was born, God is his Father, he had all the rights, privileges that a son today would have as being born of someone great, but the thing was that he didn't brag about it, didn't try to intimidate people, but rather he became a servant, and lovingly did his Father's fully. Also from your quote on 1 Cor 15:27-28: ...But when it says, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that He [God] is excepted who does the subjecting of all things to him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him [Father] that put all things under him, so that God may be all in all Obviously the Father is God - but when God subdues even his son, Christ, unto himself - it shows that it is necessary for even Christ to be under the Father - or else God would not have said it. The afore-mentioned "Doctrine of the Trinity..." is showing in its title that the doctine was inrtoduced and elevated to a point where it is taking away from the greatness that God has shown in his Word, keeping things simple as the word declared them will be much more profitable for the believer. The book is written in a well manner it unfolds many things people are ignorant of. Here's some questions that must be answered if Jesus Christ is truly God, not the Son of God: #1) Jesus Christ was a man 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; yet God says in his Word that God is not a man, how can that be? Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: It could have just said that God would not ever lie - but it didn't. Yet if Christ is the son of God - a man, the one who died and paid the full price for the whole world's sins - then this fits perfectly with the rest of the Word #2) If Christ is God, then how could an eternal, everlasting God die? God cannot die, the creator who lives for all eternity. Yet it says in the Word that Jesus Christ did indeed die - and was buried- Christ himself spoke this verse: Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. When I have something confusing I tend to not like it, just as 1 Corinthians 14:33 says: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.. To try to make sense of God being the creator of heaven and earth - and God being spirit and being completely a man at the same time - and dying -yet being able to bring himself back from the dead when he was dead - praying to himself, and asking that not his will be done buy God's, and not knowing the time of Christ's return, and saying that the Father is greater than he: John 14:28 ...If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I John 4:24 God is a Spirit... He's either spirit or not, Jesus Christ was either dead or not, and if not dead then we are not saved, God is either greater than Jesus Christ or not, you read it, you decide. How much more fulfilling to see that Jesus Christ - God's only begotten son - walked a perfect walk doing always the will of his Father - and was the one who fulfilled all that was required to bring man back to God. Hebrews 4:15 ..but [Christ] was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. When you try to fit it in that it was God who walked perfectly - there is nothing to it for him - for God is perfect and in him is there no darkness at all. But for a man - Jesus Christ - to have fully accomplished what we needed in a redeemer - so see how perfectly he walked with the Father - that's amazing. Every situation he had to hold fast the word in his mind - to love - to know his Father's will - and to carry it out. Now that's a savior - one who has to endure the world - being able to have a choice - there's no controlling of posession when it comes to the true God - but Christ had to walk perfectly to be able to fully accomplish God's plan of salvation. |
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6 | 2corth12:7 | 1 Cor 12:7 | Julian Hawyah | 57320 | ||
The messenger of Satan to buffet Paul - then you can read about all those things that happened to paul in chapter 11. It's all in the context. Right on with your studying of the word 'in the andes' | ||||||
7 | I Cor 12:7 | 1 Corinthians | Julian Hawyah | 57319 | ||
God bless. One thing important to see is that the verse 1 Corinthians 12:11 says: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. The phrase severally is from the greek word: idios - meaning one's own or his own . Thus all these manifestations of the spirit (nine) are divided to every man his own as he wills. God doesn't control you - or possess you, but you by the freedom of your will decide when you are going to manifest the spirit which verse 7 says: But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. |
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8 | Triune gods began in babylon? | 1 Thess 5:23 | Julian Hawyah | 57317 | ||
The teaching of the trinity did indeed begin many years after the final books of the bible were written. One would think our Lord and Savior would have taught on the Trinity - but as the word says - not even Christ himself knew the time of his return: Makr 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. The trinity was propounded well after even Paul's ministry - but it wasn't until 325 A.D. that the counsel of Nicea that it was made a requirement to the 'church' or what the ruling body at that time came up with. I'd suggest looking into a book called: The Doctrine of the Trinity - Christianity's Self-Inflicted Wound There is a lot to be studied about this topic - but just remember that the Word of God is meant for us to believe and God would not give us a doctrine that even our minds could not comprehend - such as the proposed complexity of the trinity. If you'd like to ask me more or know anything else - please do. |
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