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2 | Where and when did Gentiles originate? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 208098 | ||
Hi homer4v, I think you may be right about Jews being from the House of Judah in modern times, but not in Bible scripture. The name “Jew” is now defined three ways: 1. The Israelite people as they descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. This definition is not scriptural. 2. A descendant of the patriarch Judah, one of the twelve sons of Jacob. This definition is also not scriptural, except to say that they would be Jews as members of the kingdom of Judea. 3. A subject of the kingdom of Judah, or Judean. This is the definition of Jew(s) found in numerous scriptures, including the first scripture to use the term “Jews”. After King Solomon, the nation of Israel was broken, by God, into two nations, Israel and Judea. The 10 tribe northern kingdom of Israel was also called “Ephraim”, after the second son of Joseph, and “Samaria”, after the capitol city. The southern kingdom of Judah was also referred to as “Jerusalem” and the “Jews.” When God made the covenant with Abraham, it was twofold: 1 – He would be the father of many nations and his descendants would be as numerous as the stars or the sand of the sea, too numerous to count; and 2 – In his seed all the nations of the earth would be blessed. This is the promise of the Messiah or Christ. The promise of “many nations” was a birthright promise, which went to the sons of Joseph and later to the northern kingdom of Israel. The promise of the Messiah went to Judah, the southern kingdom. The first use of the term “Jews” in the Bible is found in II Kings 16:6. King Rezin of Syria recaptured Elath from the Jews. King Rezin had waged war against Jerusalem with his ally, King Pekah of Israel! So here you see Israel at war against the Jews! When the kingdoms were divided, God gave to Judah the tribe of Benjamin, so “that David My servant may always have a light before Me in Jerusalem . . .“ Also, many of the tribe of Levi, the priests, moved to Judea because they were replaced by the King of Israel in their priestly duties. These individuals were also referred to as “Jews” because they lived in Judea. There were individual members of other tribes which fled Israel for Judea. These were individuals and not tribes. Judean consisted of two tribes, Judah and Benjamin. Both the tribes of Levi and Simeon were scattered among all the other tribes. Simeon was not absorbed by Judea as some contend. Their land was, but not the tribe itself. When the Judeans (Jews) returned from captivity, as recorded in Ezra and Nehemiah, there were only those from Judah, Benjamin and Levi. The northern kingdom of “Israel”, the heads of which are the birthright holders, are not Jews and are never referred to as such in the Bible. Israel was carried off into captivity by the Assyrians and fell below the historian’s radar. There were only 7,000, yet they would grow to be as numerous as the stars and a group of nations. Later, Judea was carried off into captivity to Babylon. They returned 70 years later and rebuilt the temple. Their descendants are recognized today as Jews. Thus, modern Israel is Ancient Judea, not Ancient Israel. Judea and Israel are yet to be reunited. Where is Ancient Israel today? See Genesis 48 and 49 and Genesis 17:4-6. Your Brother in Christ, Jim |
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3 | Harvest Time | OT general | Jim Estes | 207311 | ||
Very helpful, excellent. Thanks Cheri |
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4 | pure isrealite | Matt 1:1 | Jim Estes | 207256 | ||
Hi Son of God, As much as we would like Jesus ancestry to include Gentiles, it does not make it so. The Israelites were the chosen people, not the Gentiles. I’m sure you have been reading the thread in regards to Rahab. My post on Ruth is 193476. I don’t know of any scripture that Bathsheba was not an Israelite. In Matthew 15:24 Jesus states, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Therefore, it does not seem logical for Jesus to have Gentile ancestry. That said, this certainly changed when Christ was crucified. All families are blessed and God is able to raise up children of Abraham from stones. Please don’t read into my observation something that isn’t there. In the Book of Nehemiah, Chapter 13: 23-27, “ 23 Moreover, in those days I saw men of Judah who had married women from Ashdod, Ammon and Moab. 24 Half of their children spoke the language of Ashdod or the language of one of the other peoples, and did not know how to speak the language of Judah. 25 I rebuked them and called curses down on them. I beat some of the men and pulled out their hair. I made them take an oath in God's name and said: "You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves. 26 Was it not because of marriages like these that Solomon king of Israel sinned? Among the many nations there was no king like him. He was loved by his God, and God made him king over all Israel, but even he was led into sin by foreign women. 27 Must we hear now that you too are doing all this terrible wickedness and are being unfaithful to our God by marrying foreign women?" Had Nehemiah not heard of Rahab and Ruth? Of course he had, but they were not foreign women! The significance to me is that God’s word is consistent and in harmony. I do not think Paul was referring to the genealogy in Matthew 1 or else why would it be there. Deuteronomy 7:6 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. Deuteronomy 14:2 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. 1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10(I)for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY. Your Brother in Christ, Jim |
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5 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207254 | ||
Hi Azure, Thank you for your kind invitation. I will give it careful consideration. I am somewhat reluctant to share too much about myself. I often find the forum to be somewhat frustrating. It is often difficult to get an answer to the call of the question based on scripture. Then you are hit with the opinions of experts, but lacking the scriptural support for those opinions. Then the discussion is framed as the questioner vs the experts. Then the un-Christian personal insults and snide remarks start. Meanwhile, the call of the question remains unanswered. There have been many excellent postings on the forum, but many of those individuals don’t seem to stick around very long. I consider the forum a place where the truth of scripture can be sought and shared with others. I have no denominational ties. I go to church and study the Bible with an eye to the truth, wherever that may lead. I am just an everyday lay person and I try to strengthen my faith by the study of God’s Word. I try to follow the example of the Bereans of Acts 17:10-11 “As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” What better expert than Paul. Note: They examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Today, we are expected to accept the experts and blindly follow. Thank you again, Jim |
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6 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207252 | ||
Hi Val, See Joshua 2, wherein Rahab conceals the two spies and negotiates with them the safety of her parents, brothers and sisters. Therefore, Rahab appears to be somewhat mature in her actions. For the purpose of the timeline I put her age at only 20 because it was more favorable to a lower age to see if she could have been the mother of Boaz. Salmon was born in the wilderness and therefore under the age of 40. I used age 20 for him also for the purpose of the timeline to match Rahab. The range in their age at the time of the battle of Jericho would be 20-39 years. The timeline simply puts Rahab the harlot has being too old to be the mother of Boaz. Since Salmon would have been about 96 years old, Rahab the harlot would be about the same age. Please do the math yourself; perhaps I made an error somewhere. You don’t have to rely on experts, this is fairly objective. This is not me versus the experts and I am not seeking to make any other particular point. Just that Rahab the harlot would have been too old to be the mother of Boaz. Please show me where and how I am wrong in the timeline. I have read that this tread is too long and fruitless. Perhaps so, the reason is no one has answered the call of the question. I hope this has answered the call of your question. Jim |
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7 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207241 | ||
Thanks Doc, Very well stated. Jim |
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8 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207209 | ||
Thanks Doc! Estesian assertion? I just hate to admit it, but you got me with that one! I just hope my wife never sees it! I still would like to see the numbers worked out to show "not beyond possibility". A certain amount of guess work yes, but still within a certain range. Jim |
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9 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207208 | ||
Hi stjohn, Was Jesus an Israelite or a Nazarene? It doesn't appear you read the thread. Of course Ruth was a Moabitess, from the Land of Moab. As for Rahab the Harlot, this all started with a timeline which shows she would have been about 96 years old at the time of the birth of Boaz. That timeline remains unchallenged. If it is true, then all the rest is academic. If I am wrong, show me HOW I'm wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. Jim |
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10 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207199 | ||
Hi Doc, I look forward to your answer. As for your question, I think it has been asked and answered in the scripture I have cited. Still waiting for some scripture in return. On what scripture are we to judge that all of these men are correct? Jim |
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11 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207198 | ||
Hi John, Can't disagree with your observations, except that Jesus ancestry down to his mother,Mary, was pure Israelite. I am yet to see scripture that it was not. Jim |
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12 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207197 | ||
Hi BradK, Like I said, that was just my personal opinion and that really doesn't matter. I would just like someone to address the specific issues I raised, based on scripture. What proof is there that Rahab the harlot is the ancestor of Christ? Just saying it does not make it so! Jim |
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13 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207195 | ||
Hi stjohn, See Post 193476 in regards to Ruth, the Israelite. Jim |
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14 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207194 | ||
Hi bowler, Thank you for your thoughts about the “Great Divines.” I have no objection to the opinions of persons who have spent a considerable amount of their lives in study of scripture. However, having gained such insight into the scriptures, it should not be too difficult to explain how they arrived at their conclusions and what scriptures they base their conclusions on. How did they arrive at the conclusion that the “Rachab” of Matthew 1 is the same person as “Rahab, the harlot” of Joshua, Hebrews 11:31 and James 2:25? How do they reconcile the timeline that makes it impossible for Rahab, the harlot, to be the mother of Boaz? How do they reconcile the blatant violation of God’s commands for which there is reward and no punishment, the difference in names, and that the Israelites were the chosen people and not the Gentiles? How are we to know if the things they say are true? It is our responsibility to “See to it that no one misleads you.” (Matt. 24:4) We cannot abrogate this responsibility to the “Great Divines” or anyone else. Jim |
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15 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207177 | ||
Hi BradK, I realize I am going against all the experts and commentaries. Why do so many come to the conclusion that the Rahab of Matthew 1 is the same as Rahab the harlot? The only proof I see is the name and that evidence is pretty thin! The quote of CH Spurgeon, I think, gives the answer. People want it to be so! They want it to show that Jesus Christ had Gentile blood and this shows his humanity and it is something the Gentiles can “rejoice in.” How wonderful it is that one of his ancestors was a harlot! Today, we would call that “Political Correctness.” Just my personal opinion. To answer your question: 1. As stated In my previous post, it was physically impossible to the same woman. Rahab, the harlot, would have been well beyond her child bearing years. 2. In Leviticus 21 the Lord instructed Moses to speak to the sons of Aaron. Verse 7: “They shall not take a woman who is profaned by harlotry, nor shall they take a woman divorced from her husband; for he is holy to his God.” Verse 9: “Also the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by harlotry, she profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.” Verses 14-15: “A widow, or a divorced woman, or one who is profaned by harlotry, these he may not take; but rather he is to marry a virgin of his own people, so that he will not profane his offspring among his people; for I am the Lord who sanctifies him.” In view of these strict scriptures, it would not seem possible then that Jesus, our High Priest after the Order of Melchisedek, could be the descendant of either a harlot or a Canaanite. 3. The names of Rahab, the harlot, and the Rahab of Matthew 1 are actually two different names of two different women. In the Greek text of Matthew 1:5, the name is “Raxab,” but in Hebrews 11:31 and James 2:25 it is “Ra'ab.” Nor in Matthew 1:5 is she identified as either a harlot or Canaanite. This is further illustrated in the King James Version. In Joshua 6, Hebrews 11:31 and James 2:25 it is “Rahab” and in Matthew 1:5 it is “Rachab.” 4. The Israelites were under the commandments of God and when they disobeyed, they suffered swift and fatal consequences. Before crossing the Jordan, they were encamped in the Land of Moab across from Jericho. There they committed idolatry and fornication with the women of Midian and Moab. For this, 24,000 Israelites were killed in a plague (Numbers 25:9). After the fall of Jericho, Israel was again punished by God because one soldier (Achan) took gold and silver and hide it in his tent. Because of this God allowed the death of 36 Israelites in the next battle at Ai. When Joshua found out the cause, Ai and his family were stoned to death. After these events, it is highly unlikely that any Israelite would have married, or been allowed to marry a Canaanite harlot in direct violation of God’s commandments. Rahab and her family were not even allowed into the Israelite camp. (Joshua 6:24) Joshua spared Rahab and her family and they lived in the midst of Israel (Joshua 6:25). Why no mention of a marriage to Salmon? 5. As much as we would like Jesus ancestry to include Gentiles, it does not make it so. The Israelites were the chosen people, not the Gentiles. Deuteronomy 7:6 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. Deuteronomy 14:2 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. 1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10(I)for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY. Jim |
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16 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207174 | ||
Hi Doc, You asked, “On what basis are we to judge that all of these men were in error?” You yourself, in a note to Jamison, dated July 8, 2008, warned of the practice of depending “on authorities external to the Scriptures,” and “doctrine without the authority of Scripture.” Are we to depend on “authorities external to the Scriptures” and “doctrine without the authority of Scripture” or not? Is it just authorities that agree with you that are acceptable? Jim |
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17 | What is the "Lord's Day" | Rev 1:10 | Jim Estes | 206777 | ||
Hi Bowler, Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. It appears there is no scriptural support for the interpretation that the “Lord’s Day” is Sunday, just the traditions of men. The “Lord’s Day” appears to be the same as “ the Day of the Lord” as defined in Isaiah 2:12, 13:6, 13:9, Jeremiah 46:10, Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3, Joel 1:15, 2:1, 2:11, 2:31, 3:14, Amos 5:18, 5:20, Obadiah 1:15, Zephaniah 1:7, 1:14, Zechariah 14::1, Malachi 4:5, Acts 2:20, 1 Corinthians5:5, 2 Corinthians 1:14, 1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10. These scriptures describe the actual events that Jesus Christ was revealing to John. Jim |
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18 | 3 brothers descendants changed | Col 1:16 | Jim Estes | 205961 | ||
Hi Jim, I know I am getting in very late in this tread, but would like to add my 2 cents. John makes a very valid point. The 4 wives on the Ark were not Noah’s descendants. We do not know their ancestors, except to say it goes back to Adam. Genesis details the origin of the Hebrews. They descended from Terah and his wives. The Moabites descended from a daughter of Lot, the Ammonites from his other daughter. Esau’s descendants were the Edomites. This all happened well after the Tower of Babel. Deuteronomy 32:8 - When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel. Acts 17: 26-27 - and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; Hope this helps, Jim |
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19 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205775 | ||
Hi Val, No offence taken. I agree with you on the light of the whole Bible and that we are not meant to know everything. I think there are many Bible truths that are counter to the traditions of men. What I think is not important, but I would refer you to my other posts. The debate over 3 days and 3 nights has been long debated and I am sure it will continue to be. I think the scriptures concerning the spices in Mark and Luke offer the solution. If this tread caused some to examine the scriptures more closely, that's not a bad thing. What we believe, we must believe in faith. Jim |
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20 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205752 | ||
Hi Val, When I find scriptures that, on their face, contradict each other I like to study them and see why there is a conflict. (Such as the women buying the spices after the Sabbath, but preparing them before the Sabbath.) Almost without fail, it is due to a wrong interpretation. I have found that the Bible will interpret itself. However, this often results in an interpretation counter to the commonly held view. Views people have held since childhood and by various denominations. Views that people have a personal commitment to. In 1 Thess 5:21 we are told “Test everything. Hold on to the good.” Jesus told us, "If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? (John 3:12) When Paul and Silas arrived in Berea, they went to the synagogue. They found the Bereans to be of noble character. Why? Because they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Paul didn’t tell the Bereans he was an expert and far more knowledgeable than they were and criticize them for checking scripture. So when I submit a question, I’m looking for scripture that I may have overlooked. Some answer the call of the question and support their view with scripture. Others cite some expert or commonly held belief or doctrine, but with no scriptural support. If I don’t accept that, some quickly turn the discussion to personal insults. I don’t have any particular interest in science or math. Would it matter if I did? I’m not sure what you mean about the 72 hours. None of this is about me, but about scripture. I believe with all my heart that Jesus is the Messiah and the Son of God. I also believe he was saying exactly what he meant. Hope this answers your questions. Jim |
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