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1 | Should we ask God for the gift of tongue | 1 Cor 12:11 | Jesified | 111665 | ||
I'm not trying to start an argument, but where does it say that Satan speaks gibberish? I can recall 3 times that Satan has spoken: 1. to Eve in Genesis 2. to God in Job 3. to Jesus in the desert In all of those instances, Satan was understood. And think about it, if Satan's main goal is to get Christians off track, don't you think he'd use a language we can understand? If you say "Hey, look out!!" in French or German, I don't have a clue what you're saying and I'd just be confused and look at you...then probably get hit by the car you attempted to warn me about. But if you said it in English (or a language I understand) then I might move. Also, tongues does not have to be in a known language. I used Strongs Exhaustive concordance to see exactly what Mark 16:17 meant by NEW tongues. It means just that: new. Now that may be new to the speaker ie, average Joe unilingual Christian speaking Cantoneese or it could be new as in brand new, never before heard. Besides, there are so many different languages now, not to mention dead languages, and what about undiscovered cultures, how do you know you're not speaking their language? The point is the Bible isn't specific on that. And as I said, I don't want to argue because when fisherman aren't fishing, they're fighting and personally I'd rather be fishing if you know what I mean. I was just curious as to what you were using as your scriptural basis. God Bless, Jesified |
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2 | Should we ask God for the gift of tongue | 1 Cor 12:11 | Jesified | 111663 | ||
Paul's reference to tongues in 1 Cor 12:29-30 is public tongues. Not all of us are meant to operate in the gift of speaking in tongues publicly and I totally agree in that aspect, but you can still receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit to speak with tongues privately, ie between just you and God. You will notice that Paul also said that "I would that you all speak in tongues..." Why would Paul desire us all to speak in tongues if he knew that it was a direct contradiction to God's direction? You are exactly right, we should ask what the Word of God says, but because we're human all of us won't have the same interpretation of scripture, although we should. I meant agreeing or disagreeing with any preconceived notion of what Kenneth Hagin Ministries stood for. That was more of a lack of eloquence on my part. I was trying to suggest them because they are the best I've read on the subject. You are also right in saying that you can learn about tongues without reading a Kenneth Hagin book. I don't care what pipe the water comes from so long as it's clean water, if you now what I'm saying. God Bless, Jesified |
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3 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72367 | ||
Cyclist, Thanks for your well-wishing. I pray that the Lord blesses you with whatever you put you hand and that you seek him earnestly and whole-heartedly. I've seen and read about many healing lines where the people were given a similar command. One in particular where there were four individuals in wheelchairs. The preacher said something to the effect of "Get up!" or "Rise up and walk!" Three walked, the other said, "But I can't walk." The difference in these two types of people is that when given the command those who walked were both obedient and believed that they would be able to walk when they got to their feet. However, the individuals who are not healed looked at their symptoms and didn't act. The man at Bethesda got up and walked. He was obedient and must have believed that his legs would support him. If you don't believe that a bridge can hold you, do you walk out on the bridge? Of course not, so this man had to have believed that his legs would hold him before he got up. Jesified |
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4 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72337 | ||
EdB, Exodus 4:11 doesn't convince me. It says that He made the mute, it doesn't say that He made the mute be mute. It definately says that He created the individual which is mute but I don't see much more than that. What does God have to gain from a mute or deaf disciple? What other reason does the world have to get saved than because they want what we have? They want to feel loved, we have the love of God living in us. They want to go to Heaven when they die, we're already going. They want to be healed, we were healed at Calvary. They want to be deaf...wait a minute...who wants to be deaf? What other attraction to the Christian life than it's better than living in the world? Also, I agree it's far better to see a man come to Jesus than to see a man walk for the first time in years. However, if God healing that man can increase his zeal for God and help him to lead others to Christ then I'm all for it. I don't know one person who was saved because they got up and said, "Praise God i'm blind!" But I do know that my own mother was healed supernaturaly and that played an intrical part in eventually leading my father, brother, and I to Christ. This is not just my experience it happened in the Bible too. Look at Acts 3 and 4. In these chapters, God heals a lame man through Peter and John. Then the lame man walks into the temple and Peter and John explain what happened, preach Christ, and though they are arrested, look at chapter 4 verse 4. Many believed. Now if you lead a man to salvation that saves him and maybe his family. If a man gets healed, it is a testimony of God's love and power that also has the abuility to reach many more. I am not saying that a man being healed is greater than a man being saved, but I think in an effort to prove your point that you minimized the effectiveness of divine healing. Jesified |
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5 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72333 | ||
BradK, As far as "taking up serpents" and "drinking anything deadly" there is only one example to follow and that is of Paul in Acts 28:3-6. In these verses, Paul is bitten by a snake accidentally. Since this is the only example of "taking up serpents" or "drinking anything deadly" then we must use this as the basis for our interpretation of those parts of Mark 16:15-18. We see two major things here: 1) This was an accident, therefore, it is not scriptural to just pick up whatever snake you want and play with it and say that you won't be harmed by its venom when it bites you. That's just stupid. Now if you are out in the woods or the water or somewhere and you happen to be bit by the snake, then you will not be harmed. 2) If it only applied to the disciples that Jesus was physically talking to at that moment, then this example goes against what scritpure would teach if that were true. Read Acts 7:58. Still under the name of Saul, Paul watched the clothes of the men who were stoning Stephen. He wasn't a disciple yet. This means that if Jesus was only talking to those who were physically present then Paul would be exempt. So it is safe to say that God will protect you if you are bit by accident. It is also safe to say that since Jesus wasn't physically talking to Paul when He said this, that He was talking to all that would come to be His disciples. Therefore, it applies today to you and me just as much as it did Peter, James, John, and the rest. Jesified |
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6 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72326 | ||
And the cavalry comes in. Thanks inmyheart. Jesified |
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7 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72325 | ||
And the cavalry comes in. Thanks inmyheart. Jesified |
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8 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72230 | ||
You're not wrong, you're just something like the third or fourth person to say it. I thought it was some inside thing, like the half the forum ganging up on me because I listen to Word of Faith preachers. Jesified |
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9 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72228 | ||
Good point! I forgot all about that verse. I'm glad someone had the wisdom and presence of mind to bring it up while the rest of us are down here in the trenches defending preachers and doctrine. God Bless, Jesified |
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10 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72227 | ||
BradK, I apologize for the sarcasm of my last post. I still slip on the whole "walking in love" issue now and then. I agree that we should not lift them up to the point where they do no wrong. Though we disagree elsewhere. Both of us are fairly well set in our ways and I believe it to be unfruitful to continue discussion. God bless, Jesified |
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11 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72210 | ||
Taffi Dollar and Billy Graham are slated as the speakers for a conference helt at Oral Roberts University later this month. I guess he hasn't noticed that these teachers are "severly lacking in sound Biblical preaching." Or that "Many of these "so-called" preachers are also outright heretics and even liars!" These leaders are the LORD's Anointed so I hope you know what you're saying. Jesified |
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12 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72207 | ||
I don't know why that missionary died. But God knows, and that's why we have the Bible. God knew that things were going to happen to us in this fallen world and He knew that we would need a guiding light. "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path" -Psalm 119:105. I'm only 19 and i've only been saved since April of 2001, but I also know that I have a call of God upon my life to preach the Gospel. Not just a calling in the general sense that everyone is called, but as my profession. I might not have much in the way of experience, but I am growing in knowledge every day. I'd rather have it that way. It seems that the more experience some people have, the more their theology is baised on that experience than it is on the Word of God. It makes me want to cry when I think about how people could be so blind to look directly at God's Word and recognize that it's the truth, but not see what it is saying to them. Jesified And why does everyone keep calling me Justified, it's Jesified. |
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13 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72199 | ||
I understand that it was the responsibuility of the head of the household to offer those sacrifices, but he should do so with the right motive. I believe that Job did the right thing for the wrong reason. That reason being that, in his heart, he feared what would happen if He didn't make those sacrifices. Not that he sinned, because it clearly says that he didn't. Job feared, and Satan carried out what Job feared. I think we both make a good case for either side, but I know from previous encounters that neither of us will convince each other of our beleifs. So I call for a truce on this issue for the time being. Jesified |
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14 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72198 | ||
Not every Christian has died of a disease. I don't know where you get the knowledge to back up that sort of claim, but I assure you it's false. The men that have taught me this "nonsense" are still alive, many after 20 and 30 years in the ministry. In fact Kenneth E. Hagin the "ring leader," as you would probably refer to him, teaches one of my classes every Tuesday and Thursday. He's no less healthy than any other man I know. Also, I'm not calling you a liar but I have a hard time believing that you could read a book like Christ the Healer and still have the opinion on healing that you have showed in your posts. As for Christianity in Crisis, I'll look that one up. I have a lot of reading to do for my classes, so it may be a while until I get around to it, but fair is fair. What translation of the Bible are you using? Jesified |
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15 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72195 | ||
How can you say that God would afflict His children? To think such a thing would lower God to the status of a child abuser. Would you give your son or daughter the Ebola virus just so they could stay humble or for whatever crazy excuse you want to come up with? No, of course you wouldn't. Then why would God, who has both wisdom and resources beyond our knowledge, decide that sickness is such a great tool. Did you forget to read the hundreds of passages that says God loves us? "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children HOW MUCH MORE shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?" Matthew 7:11 I've posted on healing many times before and I know you've responded to at least one or two of those because I remember your screen name. As far as I'm concerned I've tried to represtent the truth of the Word of God as best I can, but if you personally want to live with cancer or AIDS, then so be it. I don't even know what to tell you. I pray that you have an experience with God that will take the scales off your eyes. Jesified |
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16 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72192 | ||
inmyheart, Thank you!!! I seriously thought, as far as this forum was concerned that I was the last one (sort of like Elijah). God Bless, Jesified |
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17 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72191 | ||
I didn't say Job gave Satan a foot hold. Faith is not manipulating God. God looks at the heart. He knows what's realy driving us and if we're not seeking Him or His blessings with the right heart then we would never receive the blessing. My mistake, I thought that Full Gospel meant that you believed the whole Gospel. If I'm Word of Faith, then I'm Word of Faith. I don't much care what I'm branded with. I know that Jesus died for my complete redemption. There is no denomination in Heaven, only His Church. By the way, if you'd like a schedule of our Kool Aid on the mountain services I'll e-mail it to you. Jesified |
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18 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72134 | ||
I'm not saying that absolutely everything God does is something set in motion by His own creation. As you pointed out, creation would have been impossible. When I say that "faith activates God" I mean that when you have faith in God that He will provide a particular thing, that is when God sends it. For example, Jesus healed people. There are two separate instances where the Bible says Jesus saw someone’s faith (Mark 2:5, Matthew 9:22). In both instances the individuals got what they had faith for; healing. Also, this principle is seen indirectly in other stories, such as Naaman the Syrian in 2 Kings 5. God was just as able to heal him before he dipped 7 times in the Jordan as he was afterward, but God had Elisha tell Naaman to build and exercise his faith. The Brazen Serpent in Numbers 21 is a type of Christ. The brass and serpent are both representative of sin and the serpent was lifted up on a pole. All who looked at it were healed instantly. Christ was lifted up when he was crucified and sin was put on Him. Whoever looks to Him for their healing will be healed. Just as you have to believe (or have faith in) that God through Christ has forgiven you of your sins, you must believe (or have faith in) the fact that God through Christ has healed you. ALL of Christ went on the cross. The whole man was crucified, body, soul, and spirit. This is so that we may be redeemed, body, soul, and spirit. Well, I started preaching off in another direction, but I think you can see what I’m saying now. Oh, and I coined the term Jesified meaning, to act or be made more like Jesus (Galatians 2:20). Jesified |
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19 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72131 | ||
I would never "throw out" a verse of scripture. However, we must rightly divide the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15). Paul was not sick. By that I mean that he was not referring to a sickness in 2 Corinthians 12:7. The term "thorn in the flesh" is best described as the slang of that period which can not be interpreted literally. Paul, since he was a well learned scholar in the practices of Judaism and what we know as the Old Testament, was probably quoting Numbers 33:55. "But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell."-Numbers 33:55 “Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.” -Joshua 23:13 “Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.” -Judges 2:3 There is a rule in proper hermeneutics, or Bible interpretation, and that is that if the same phrase is used in the Bible multiple times referring to one thing, then it is more than likely that it means the same thing in all accounts of that phrase. There are two accounts of the usage of the term “thorn in the side” which I have listed above, and one usage of “thorns in your eyes” which means the same thing, just on a different part of the body. Since the terms "thorn in the side," “thorns in your eyes,” and "thorn in the flesh" have a similar enough meaning, this rule would apply. In all the Old Testament appearances of this word we find that they actually refer to people. Therefore, it is logical to say that Paul’s thorn was also a person, or group of people. Now on to whom Paul’s thorn was. If you read the book of Acts where it tells of Paul’s journeys you will see that groups of Jews stirred up the people against him. “But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.” -Acts 13:50 “But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.” -Acts 14:2 “But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.” -Acts 13:45 “And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat,” -Acts 18:12 “And after five days Ananias the high priest descended with the elders, and with a certain orator named Tertullus, who informed the governor against Paul.” -Acts 24:1 “Then the high priest and the chief of the Jews informed him against Paul, and besought him,” -Acts 25:2 “And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove” -Acts 25:7 As you can see, the Jews cause quite a lot of trouble for Paul, which is why I firmly believe that they were his “thorn in the flesh” Where does it say that Timothy was sick? Also, I’ll have to get back to you when I get a chance to look at those verses in 1 Corinthians. Jesified |
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20 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72099 | ||
His sons used to take turns holding feasts in their homes, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would send and have them purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, "Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts." This was Job's regular custom. Job didn't have any proof that his children did anything wrong. Although it doesn't use the word feared or afraid, what Job felt is obvious. Job is the personification of both goodie-two-shoes and worry wart. I encourage you to look up different translations of these verses. The Bible says that Job offered these sacrifices continally. It also points out that Job immediately had them purified the after the party and he offered the sacrifices the next morning. The Contemporary English Version seems to state it very well. "Job's sons took turns having feasts in their homes, and they always invited their three sisters to join in the eating and drinking. After each feast, Job would send for his children and perform a ceremony, as a way of asking God to forgive them of any wrongs they may have done. He would get up early the next morning and offer a sacrifice for each of them, just in case they had sinned or silently cursed God." Jesified |
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