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1 | Jesus has two nature but yet he is one. | John 4:24 | ItsMe | 163745 | ||
I enjoyed the rambling. And the Col. 2:9 verse is good. I don't understand how the others relate. Doesn't it say in Exodus that Moses and a bunch of others, ok, I'm looking this one up... Exodus 24:9-10Then Moeses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself." I think there are other verses where humans saw God. I do wonder if we aren't experiencing a different belief here. I checked several translations of the Col. verse, with Strong's, and I basically get that in Jesus, the total of God lived in a human form. Also, after the cross, Jesus was flesh and bones, no blood. He gave up His blood at the cross for our sins. So, was He not, more than human at that point? In body, yes, but not the same as ours? His servant... |
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2 | Jesus has two nature but yet he is one. | John 4:24 | ItsMe | 163723 | ||
I understand the duplication. I did it on this site myself once. I'm still confused at the belief that there is a "human" being my present Saviour and God. I suppose it isn't a salvation issue, just one I can't see. |
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3 | Jesus has two nature but yet he is one. | John 4:24 | ItsMe | 163696 | ||
I got your note twice. I agree. I see nothing with this post that I don't agree with. I assume that He didn't leave behind his physical body until He went up into heaven after this? |
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4 | Jesus has two nature but yet he is one. | John 4:24 | ItsMe | 163691 | ||
I think what is going on is you believe something that I can find no basis for - which is OK if you want to believe that - I just can't. I did find a few scriptures - 1Peter 3:18For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; and 1 Cor 15 35-45 - (vs 45) when Jesus, the second-Adam, is called a life-giving spirit. I don't think I close my mind - I wonder how people do that - and I will continue pursuing this because you seem so sure of it. So far He hasn't revealed that to me. His servant... |
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5 | Jesus has two nature but yet he is one. | John 4:24 | ItsMe | 163407 | ||
I've read the scriptures you have given me and they have not made me see Him as a human in today's world. I am sorry I am not as noble in character as you are. I am trying my best to find this and to make sense out of it. You seem to keep trying to prove that I'm not. Brad?? What's going on here? I think you are one stubborn person. I'm trying - I'm using all my resources and I can't keep answering your questions with the little free time I have. If I come upon something that proves Jesus is human I will. I will use my strongs, my professor, my scholars and see what I can find. I'm sorry you think I am lacking - I will admit that every belief that I have, regarding every subject that I have any knowledge of (how to drive a car, how to cook a meal, how to work on a PC) are not backed up by scripture knowledge, that is not telling me that I don't know them. Since I don't have scriptural knowlege that is affirming He is still a human being, I am still searching. I'm sorry that you seem to be starting to have fun with proving my ignorance. That's OK. Enjoy. I'm getting a bit of a chuckle out of your responses myself. Still, His servant... |
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6 | Jesus has two nature but yet he is one. | John 4:24 | ItsMe | 163387 | ||
I relate to my dead mother as a woman - she isn't anymore - I truly believe she is a spirit now. I'm getting very confused - things aren't getting more clear. It seems like your questions are almost unreasonable? I re-read - "Hodge writes this in reference to His human qualification: "1. He must be a man. The Apostle assigns as the reason why Christ assumed our nature and not the nature of angels, that He came to redeem us. (Hebrews 2. 14–16). It was necessary that He should be made under the law which we had broken; that He should fulfil all righteousness; that He should suffer and die; that He should be able to sympathize in all the infirmities of his people, and that He should be united to them in a common nature. He who sanctifies (purifies from sin both as guilt and as pollution) and those who are sanctified are and must be of one nature. Therefore as the children were partakers of flesh and blood, He also took part of the same. (Hebrews 2. 11–14.)" "These qualifications for the office of mediator between God and man are all declared in the Scriptures to be essential; they all met in Christ; and they all were demanded by the nature of the work which He came to perform." "As it was necessary that Christ should be both God and man in two distinct natures and one person, in order to effect our redemption, it follows that his mediatorial work, which includes all He did and is still doing for the salvation of men, is the work not of his human to the exclusion of his divine nature, nor of the latter to the exclusion of the former. It is the work of the the anthropos, of the God-man." So - Hodge used a lot of nice phrases and states things he believes - that don't mean anything to me. Because someone is a believer, a conservative, a teacher - doesn't mean I have to agree or believe or even understand what they are saying. I do believe Jesus/Christ was a man and that He had to be to get through to us - and to be able to feel and voice our situations. That's like saying - I was an assembly line worker - and so I understand their position and I can now talk to management for them. I am no longer an assembly line worker (actually, never was). You say - And again - The main challenge is this: Can you provide a scriptural basis to show Christ ceased being a man?" No - but I'm not seeing scriptural proof that He's still a human (walking around on this earth as a man - no, I don't see it???) I think this is like beating a dead horse into the ground, as the old saying goes. I'm researching, I have knowledgeable, Biblical experts, trying to help me with this also. If they come back with an answer that is clear - for a simpleton like myself - then maybe this will make some sense. Right now it seems to get muddier and muddier and it's not getting clear. Still, His servant... |
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7 | Jesus has two nature but yet he is one. | John 4:24 | ItsMe | 163325 | ||
You say "...but don't think it's simply a matter of understanding scripture in the way we are led:-) Ultimately, it's a matter of: what does scripture teach!" I think the Holy Spirit leads me, teaches and enlightens me and that things are revealed at different times to different people. I think all scripture is good. I don't think we have to see all scripture the same. I think - Right is right, wrong is wrong, hopefully we see and understand that in scripture. Scripture also speaks to each of us individually - which it must be doing this time. So - you don't think scripture teaches us differently (or at different times)? From my studies I believe Paul lived while Jesus was ministering; was aware of Him as a human, and was converted when confronted by Jesus in spirit form. I don't think Paul was a believer of Christ's ministry while Jesus was alive. Many scholars believe Paul's ministry began 34 C.E. while others think it came later. I think Paul knew Jesus as a man. Maybe not personal friends, or shaking hands, but having knowledge of Him (like I know Billy Graham??) I'm not sure whom Hodge or Westcott are and what the basis is for quoting them - they must be sources you believe and trust. Your Hebrews scriptures once again seem to be past tense. yes, He assumed our nature - that's why when I start complaining or whining about something and talk to Him as if He doesn't understand, He can quickly point out that He does, because He has been here. And, like the scripture says - He can sympathize. Again "He also took part" - not present tense? Dr. Graham states "Because Paul was a young man when he witnessed the stoning of Stephen, we can assume that he was born during the same period as Jesus, and Paul had his conversion experience about the age of 30-35; Paul's execution probably was about A.D. 64-65." - about the same age, living same area - I think Paul "knew" Jesus. I am not getting something here - I'm not seeing any basis for believing that He didn't cease being a man. I'm trying - I'm not seeing it in what you are writing me. I'm going over to this site at break and lunch - so my thoughts are generally that - my thoughts and scriptures I know - I can't research much during these short times. So my answers aren't scholarly (nor would they be if I could research them). I'm not seeing Him as human. I asked a minister friend at lunch and he chuckled. Seems like it isn't a unique debate - but he has never seen anything in scripture, in his studies or His life experience that leads him to believe that Christ is human. I'll try to find time to do some research on this subject but right now, I'm not getting it from what you are sending me. It's probably furstrating or confusing you - I'm sure your intentions are good and you are trying to make it clear - but I'm not getting it. His servant... |
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8 | ItsMe, what's your definition of worship | John 4:24 | ItsMe | 163300 | ||
Amen - that is why when I feel slightly uncomfortable with someone else's worship I close my eyes and pray. We are all unique and yet alike. Like pieces of a patchwork quilt. As long as we are worshipping Him, not just following a standard practice or trying to impress others. Comments on your listing - I do not always plan my worship - so preparation is not always a part. And place is just about anywhere. I can be walking the dog and suddenly feel I have come into His presence and I start worshipping. (yes, I am sure some of my neighbors worry about me - "get the kids inside") Maybe there has been preparation before; maybe my heart was in the right place at the right time. He is wonderful in the ways and places He sometimes brings us to worship Him. I do attend a regular worship service with a community of believers. And I do prepare for that. May you continue to worship in spirit and truth His servant |
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9 | Jesus has two nature but yet he is one. | John 4:24 | ItsMe | 163299 | ||
I don't agree completely nor do I disagree completely. And you are welcome to understand a scripture the way that you feel led. I think 1Tim 2:5 - "Paul knew Christ as man" is referring to the fact that humans met God and understood Him better as man. And, Jesus, was man and God. Heb 2:14 tells me He "partook of the same" - that's past tense. 1 Pet 3:18-19 - says "having been put to death in the flesh". I picked up several devotionals and scanned them and found articles in each on Christ giving up his human life for our sins. I felt better that I wasn't alone in this thought. Also, I do not think a mediator needs to be human - I prefer he be above that and I think Christ is above my Priest friend. I may be missing something here. I've prayed and the only instruction I get is to keep it in love. I do enjoy your comments and search them out on this site (along with a couple of others). I don't always agree but they usually give me reason to think, which is good. Oh, in Hebrews it says our high priest is seated at the right throne of God - can a human sit there? - that thought just came to mind. Again, my thoughts have rambled. His servant... |
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10 | Jesus has two nature but yet he is one. | John 4:24 | ItsMe | 163255 | ||
I don't think of God in human form. Though He hasn't forgotten His human-ness, He has reminded me of it a few times. I don't think of Him as "in the spiritual form" - I just think of Him - well I guess I think of Him as "spirit" now that I'm considering it. Human is so frail and lacking - I can't put that on Him. Do you have a scripture basis for believing He is still human? His servant... |
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11 | Need help with adultry and remarriage. | 1 Cor 7:11 | ItsMe | 161933 | ||
Many people use the bible to their advantage. My first thought is that this man took you and isn't really worried about living according to scripture. Hopefully he has been truly repentant. When you say you became involved, I take it you mean sexually. If you are a believer, and know what you did is wrong, you are on the road to healing. Pray, read the Word. Ask God for forgiveness and to reveal what He wants for you. God forgives adultery. If you believe it was wrong and you really want His forgiveness, He will give it. Don't worry about supporting this man in his belief. Stay away from him. Severe all ties. Let God wash that past away in His time. Seek Him with your whole heart. When you meet other men, they should meet all biblical standards before you consider them. And don't let them just say it. You need to see Christ in them. Ask for God's man. I thought I was very "in love" at one time. We often spent hours discussing the Bible, pouring over the Bible. I prayed often for God's will and God's man. Getting ready for church one Sunday I felt God tell me he wasn't it and I had to break it off. I argued with God for a long time that morning. I ended with - Your will, Father. Somehow managed to go to church, sit with this gentleman, and even have lunch with him. I didn't tell him my experience. I did make myself to busy for awhile and soon he moved on. I was lonely but knew it was God's will. I wasn't even sure that this man wouldn't come back into my life. A few years later, on my wedding day, I remembered that experience! And thanked God, for the man He brought me. In answer to your last question - yes, it matters that the man is truly living for God. Sexual sin happens even between Christians - so beware. If you can put God first, the rest will follow. God bless you! | ||||||
12 | Is Cain Adams son? | Gen 4:1 | ItsMe | 161690 | ||
This is a new "translation" to me. 'greatly multiply thy sorry and thy conception' - means adding another baby? I think that is a little far out. I think conception was going to be painful and she might even wish she had not conceived (sorrow). Is there any source for your thinking this meant two babies? I looked up the Strongs reference and it translates to "he said I will greatly enlarge/increase thy pain, labour, hardship and thy physical conception or pregnancy in pain, hurt, hardship, thou shalt bring forth son, child, children." I don't get that she was given a second child. Thanks. | ||||||
13 | is smoking a sin? | 1 Cor 6:12 | ItsMe | 161269 | ||
I had the original question up when I responded. I looked at the string, as I always do, afterwards, and saw it attached to yours. So I pulled up the original again, and sent it, and it attached correctly. | ||||||
14 | is smoking a sin? | 1 Cor 6:12 | ItsMe | 161255 | ||
1 Corinthians 10:31 sums it up - "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God." There are many verses about doing things that are harmful to our bodies (His temple). I can always go back to this one though - it's how I quit smoking. It wasn't hurting anybody but me - and then I realized - it did not glorify God, it took away from my witness. And bringing up the over eating issue - one wrong won't justify another. If I lie but I see my neighbor steal and I point that out - well, we are back to Matt 7:3 - Why do you see the splinter in your brothers eye but don't see the wooden beam in your own eye." If you have any concern over something you are doing - does it glorify God? Also, is the Holy Spirit trying to speak to you about the issue. I've found when I have asked - if it's wrong, let me know - I almost always feel His clarification quickly. Sometimes I almost hear Him say - "If you have to ask..." On the other hand, if you are asking about something being a sin, because someone else is doing it - remember the beam verse. Pray for them but don't point that finger. |
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15 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | ItsMe | 160959 | ||
Don't worry about joining a church. Just pray and read. If you read all the responses in this thread you might lean a little more toward the belief that the Bible is God's inspired word. You do not need it to get saved. I believe many people in remote areas have been saved without it. Many also would never have been if someone didn't share the word with them. I went through the late 50's -80's reading it, studying it, and doubting it. I had found Christ but there was so much bible I couldn't swallow. Somewhere I turned my perspective into really wanting to know. I somehow let go of all my arguments and proofs. Now, daily, I pray show me what you want me to get out of this portion of your word, or something similar, and I read. Often I feel Him very close. I have no doubt it is the word He wants me to be reading and when all else fails, I can find a truth in this word. Lee Stroebel's books helped me a lot too. He didn't believe in it at all. He proved himself wrong. God isn't offended if Hetfield is suggesting it, in honest desire to know the truth. If you put your faith in Christ and seek Him, He will lead you right back to the Bible. He has done it to me so many times. God bless you both in your pursuit. |
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16 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | ItsMe | 160949 | ||
I think the hang-up may be in the phrase, word of God. I grew up in churches that were legalistic too. That seems to have been the norm for many years. The denomination of my birth has changed a lot -praise God, and I'm back there. But, back to your comments. I think the Bible, all of it, the early scriptures and the later scriptures, were inspired by God. I don't think He uttered all that we read there. I think he inspired it. My husband questions why some of the books that were included in the earlier church have been removed. I don't know. I trust God that what I need is in this Book I love and read. If you honestly seek an answer, stay in it, and He will reveal the answer He has for you. God bless you. |
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17 | Speaking in Tongue | Acts 2:4 | ItsMe | 160947 | ||
I was healed in this day and age. I had Lupus and I was becoming more and more crippled. I could give lots of details but that is not what this note is about. A woman I did not know asked me if she could pray for me. I thought of my mental list of people and situations that I was going to ask her to pray for and felt prompted to ask her to pray about my arthritic like pains. I was not about to tell a total stranger that I had the uncurable Lupus. She started praying and I found myself praying with her. Then I stood up, straight, and walked around. and praised God. Now, I too was not sure so I thought it was a temporary reprieve. Every morning for weeks I would wake expecting it to be another day when my legs did not want to work well or one of those days when they did not work at all, and each day I would get out of bed and say, thank You. Still thinking it was temporary. My doctor continued to run tests every 3 months for a couple of years, now she does them annually. She just chuckles with the results and tells me, no sign of Lupus and I say, I did not expect there would be. I am almost 60 and I have a little arthritis now. But I carry my 1 and 2 year old Grandchildren, often 2 at a time and I race with my older Grandsons, they beat me, and I climb trees. And praise God when I am up there. I think I am more active than most my age. I still work full time so I am not taking it easy. God healed me. I have no doubt. You do not know me so you do not have to believe it or understand it, but I believe in it now. Why me.. I do not know. I agree with you that many people will never speak in tongues and God can be just as close to them. It is a gift I did not want or expect and I received it. And many of my friends do not want it and that is OK. I may have received it because I doubted it so much. As you said, we are still members of a fellowship that goes beyond those things though. |
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18 | Speaking in Tongue | Acts 2:4 | ItsMe | 160941 | ||
Thank you. I hear people argue the speaking by using one of the Bible comments about it - you know, like - there has to be an interpreter. I know in Venezuela God truly blessed me and amazed a lot of other people! Thanks for your comments. | ||||||
19 | Speaking in Tongue | Acts 2:4 | ItsMe | 160939 | ||
Sometimes when I pray I feel taken away from where I am - maybe on those occasions I do speak in tongues and maybe my mind is unfruitful - but I know my spirit is filled with joy. I'll admit sometimes when I pray I wonder how fruitful I am because "things" keep coming to mind and I wander. That is probably unfruitful - and yet, I feel God understands the situation. | ||||||
20 | Speaking in Tongue | Acts 2:4 | ItsMe | 160938 | ||
I agree with translating. it's a difficult job and, as in many instances, God may initiate something and we let our human-ness take over. It's amazing that God gave a complete strange the wisdom and boldness to speak out. God is good! | ||||||
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