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1 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Harmonizer | 85561 | ||
Very interesting. In 15 years I have never heard anyone with your perspective. That is that yes Jesus is the name of the Father ..., but it does not matter what is said!? Is this a denominational teaching or just your view. I agree that it is the condition of the persons heart that makes a difference. If a person does not repent baptism does not matter it's the 'answer of a good conscience toward God'. However I still believe that what is said matters because what is said is tied into what the person believes. People who baptize and get baptized using the titles do not believe that Jesus is the name of the Father. And Jesus said in John 'except ye believe that I am he ye shall die in your sins'. Since baptism is for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38, 22:16) if a person doesn't believe that Jesus is Jehovah-Savior they will not get baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins. It is the same hang up today as for the Jews back then they didn't believe that the carpenter was the Father and most "believers" today are the same way. Consider this observation and reflect on believers you have encountered. People believe in THEIR belief. Not necessarily what the Bible says because when shown something that is not what they've heard all their life the response is ' I don't believe that.' In America we have the extreme priviledge to have as many Bibles as we want in as many versions as we want yet most 'believers' don't really study. Part of what I try to do is show people this issue in particular and some others that is probably not what they have heard their whole life and then encourage them to diligently study for themselves 'to see if these things are so.' We need to be like those in Berea - hearers, thinkers and searchers. It sounds like you feel the same. Maranatha, Tim |
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2 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Harmonizer | 85414 | ||
I'd be glad to elaborate. First are we in agreement that the transliteration of the name JESUS is Jehovah-Saviour? John 5:43 'I am come in my Father's name" John 14 - "if you've seen me you've seen the Father" The jews biggest hangup was believing in the NAME, they could not believe that this carpenter was the one who 'declared'(John 17:26), manifested((John 17:6) and revealed the Father's name. Isaiah 9:6 'his name shall be called .... the everlasting Father..." There are more examples, but even historically we find that the trinitarian baptism was a much later development coming centuries after the beginning of the church. If the apostles invoked the name of Jesus during baptism - logically this is the name of the Father, son and Holy Ghost. Yes I am a oneness believer (Howbeit I was not raised that way). I believe God is a Spirit who throughout time has manifested himself in different ways and has different titles, but is still one 'person'. Jesus is the 'image' of the invisible God- Colossians 1:15 and the express image of His 'person' (singular) - Hebrews 1:1-3. I am sure you have heard the common phrase that there are three persons in the godhead, but that is inconsistant with Colossian chapter 2 which says that 'in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily'. Men say Jesus is in the Godhead, but the Bible says that the Godhead is in Jesus. Aside from that the only way we can make MT 28 and Acts 2 harmonize is if Jesus is the NAME. I hope Peter got it right don't you? And I don't say that sarcastically, I really mean that if the apostles didn't get it right after Jesus instructed them another 40 days after his resurrection concerning the things of the kingdom how could we even think to have a clue? Maranatha | ||||||
3 | Christians? | James 1:22 | Harmonizer | 85306 | ||
I am in agreement that all the epistles are written to people already saved and are addressing christian living. Certainly this is the case with the book of James. I am new to the forum and my comment actually was supposed to link to the original question not your note in particular, sorry for the confusion. | ||||||
4 | Christians? | James 1:22 | Harmonizer | 85215 | ||
II Timothy 2:15 - We must rightly divide the word. Most people take their 'salvation' scriptures from the epistles which were letters written to people who were already saved. The historical account of the verbatim preaching of the apostles to lost people on how to be saved is found in the Book of Acts. This is where we can read the actual accounts of people being born again (born of water and the Spirit). Here we find the apostles obeying the great commission and the people obeying the gospel. Acts chapters 2,8,10,16,19 specifically. Here the preaching of the Apostles encompasses more than just belief. I hope this helps. | ||||||