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1 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | GStrecker | 7099 | ||
Dear Charis, Oneness Pentecostals have often been accused of being adherants of the "heresy of Modalism" and also attacked because they believe that baptism should be administered in the name of Jesus Christ. This mode of baptism is biblically and historically accurate. You have to really twist the scriptures hard and be into a lot of total denial to say that baptisms being described in the Bible that give any indication of the method does not include the saving name of Jesus Christ instead of the titles mode of in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. One of you in the forum tried to make out that he did not understand which Jesus I was talking about because I did not put the word "Christ" behind it in one place in one message. Please!! Do you think I am arguing a case for some Mexican dude when I speak of Jesus in a Christian forum? Two members of my local church have done a great deal of research on the historical development of the Trinitarian mode of baptism. Much of their research came from reference materials located in the New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. They give some of the sources in their articles. They are too long to post here, but I invite you to visit these two links and download the articles so you can read it for yourself. They are located at: http://www.pentecostalsonline.org/one.html and http://www.pentecostalsonline.org/baptism2.html You will see after reading these articles that the modes of baptism over the centuries went from "in the name of Jesus Christ" to several variants of trinitarian baptism. It went from one full immersion in water to two dunks, to three dunks, to sprinkling, to baptizing babies, to being baptized in proxy for people who had already died, etc. In other words, after the saving name of Jesus CHRIST was removed from the baptismal formula, it has been manipulated by men into new traditions of their own invention. Today, many groups point to their "traditions of men" as being more important to follow than the codified scriptures that they confess as being the Word of God. The Catholic church has historically been very bad in this regard and resorted to persecuting those who chose to cling to the truth of the scriptures. We find this a particularly telling flaw in their thinking, because our Lord never used force at all in trying to bring man to salvation in Himself. He rebuked His disciples on more than one occasion for wanting to use force against people. He made Peter put away his sword and rebuked two others for wanting to call down fire from heaven on a village. Jesus reaches out to man in love and tells us that we will be recognized as His by our love for one another. Paganistic religions on the other hand, use violence to enforce their beliefs and will on others. As examples look at the Muslims, the Hindus, the early Catholic church with their Inquisition, the Romans, the Egyptians with their forms of emperor worship, etc. You should also know that two of the "early Apostolic Fathers" who condemned the heresy of Monarchial Modalism, Justin Maryter and Oriegen, had all of the writings they objected to burned so it is very hard today to understand exactly what that modalism really was. Several years later, both of these theologans were themselves declared heretics. I declare to you that the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the recipients speaking in tongues, and all the other Spiritual Gifts described by Paul in his epistles are being manifested in the Oneness Pentecostal Churches. Instead of sitting down with us and talking to us to find out what we really believe and teach, many who are already into their own religious denomination just want to stand back and call names. They forget .the Bible teaches that it is Jesus Christ Himself who baptizes in the Holy Ghost. Before the Holy Ghost was given to the first Gentiles, God warned Peter: Acts 10:15 "And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common." |
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2 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | GStrecker | 7032 | ||
Dear Ray, Pentecostals do believe the Holy Spirit is a Person, just not a third person. God is a Spirit, and God is Holy. God's name is Jesus. The bible teaches that the Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of Christ. 1 Pet 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 1 Pet 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Pet 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. If you note, Peter and Paul use the terms "Holy Ghost", Spirit of Christ, Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead, etc. interchangibly. If you receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost, God has turned your body into His temple and God dwells in you, the Spirit of Christ Jesus. We chose to concentrate on and understand that we are speaking about One Supreme Being who has manifested Himself to mankind in several different ways, but was always the same God. The terms Father and Son are merely titles used to describe relationship. To my daughters, I am Father, but to my Mom and Dad, I was son. To my siblings, I am brother. How many persons am I? Just one! My name is Glen. The one you refer to as Father, Son and Holy Ghost is just One too, and His name is Jesus! |
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3 | Baptism, Trinity, and Teachers? | Acts 2:38 | GStrecker | 6713 | ||
Dear Ray, Thanks for the welcome. The Bible never discussed infant baptism. It did stress dedication of infants to the Lord. The problem with infant baptism is one of the understanding and commitment of the person being baptized. While the Bible describes all as having a sin nature, because of Adam's fall, an infant has no personal sin yet. More importantly though is that the child is unable to make a conscious decision to repent and turn his life over to Christ. This is the major flaw with infant baptism. Paul told the Greeks of Athens, I believe that while God once winked at man's ignorance, that He now called upon all to repent. The Catholics added a second step or sacrament called Confirmation during which the child, now grown beyond the age of reason, is asked to decide for himself to follow Christ. During this ceremony, the local bishop would anoint the child's head with oil and lay hands on the child so as to "impart the Holy Spirit" to him. I was Catholic for 38 years, been there, done that, but never felt or experienced anything during that ceremony like I did upon receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost after joining a Pentecostal Church. Since making that move, I have seen God's signs and wonders, I have witnessed spiritual gifts in operation including the Word of Knowledge, the Word of Wisdom, Discerning of Spirits, Miracles of Healing, the Gift of Tongues and Interpretation of Tongues and people moving in the Gift of Prophesy. (And, yes the prophesies came true.) The Apostle Paul related his experience after being confronted by Jesus on the road to Damascus. He testified in Acts 22 what Annanias told him: Acts 22:12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there, Acts 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him. Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. Acts 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Cordially, Bro. Glen |
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4 | Baptism, Trinity, and Teachers? | Acts 2:38 | GStrecker | 6672 | ||
If you believe the Word and Jesus' teachings on the subject, baptism is not optional. It is a command to be obeyed and an act of faith to prove that you truly believe. Consider the following from Paul to the Thessilonians 2 Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 2 Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 2 Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Peter talked about it too: 1 Pet 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? In short, Jesus made a way but to get there we must obey and do it God's way. Remember Prov 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. I have grown to understand that in order to see the whole thought or doctrine of God on a topic one must study that thought throughout the pages of Scripture. Once you find everything on the topic and correct your thoughts to remove what you may think are contradictions, you will arrive at the truth. Consider this: Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. |
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5 | Baptism, Trinity, and Teachers? | Acts 2:38 | GStrecker | 6666 | ||
Jesus said in Mark 16: 15-16, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned." This is strong language from the Lord Himself. Why did he say this? In Chapter 3 of John's Gospel Jesus tells Nicodemus that in order to see the kingdom of God, one must be born again. Jesus gives further details, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5) After concluding the discussion and to further clarify His position Jesus and His disciples begin to baptize people, "John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. John 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized. John 3:24 For John was not yet cast into prison. John 3:25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. John 3:26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him." Much confusion comes when people do not rightly divide the words of scripture. Many people teach that Paul did not teach on baptism and that baptism is no longer necessary. They point to Paul's Epistles as proof, but forget that Paul was writing to churches of saints that he established by baptizing the initial members throughout the book of Acts. Paul does not emphasize baptism so much because he has already demonstrated the need to be baptized to them. The reason baptism administered in Jesus name makes infinite sence when we listen to Peter's explaination, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) |
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