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1 | Help with a biblical riddle of sorts? | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72724 | ||
Aren't there six oceans? Atlantic, Pacific, Indian, Arctic, Antarctic and one other? This riddle has me stumped. Got no idea. Doesn't sound Biblical either. |
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2 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | David_24597 | 72721 | ||
Consider that the thief on the cross didn't have a chance to get baptised. Neither would babies and children. Yet if they die BEFORE they have the chance to, I would assume that they will be in heaven too. I guess baptism is for those that are able to, whenever possible. God is the judge not me. Just because someone who believes (if they are given the chance to believe) dies BEFORE they can be baptised does not mean they are not saved. |
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3 | Making sure I understand your meaning | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72669 | ||
Hey Steve. Notice verses 10, 16 and 17 of the text you gave in II Cor. 5. Paul is talking about deeds done in the flesh (the lust of the flesh). This is what he means when he says "absent from the body". I paraphrase, "absent from the deeds (or lusts) of the body." Paul knew (like Job 14:10-15 and 19:26, Dan. 12:13 and King David Acts 2:34-35) that he would have to wait in the grave (like all the saved) for his resurrection before he could go to heaven. II Tim. 4:8. Study the state of the dead (especially what the OT prophets say about it). Get a good concordance. Look up the words: dead, death, perish, sleep, awake, etc. and see that the dead must wait in their graves for a resurrection before they can enter heaven. The dead don't even exist right now. (Except perhaps in the memory of God.) Check out Ps. 104:29-30, 146:4; Eccl. 12:7; Isa. 26:19 In fact, should there be no resurrection from the dead, then the dead in Christ are perished. I Cor. 15:12-23 says a lot about this. Notice verse 23 also. Anyway, I hope this helps. Like I said, get a good concordance. Check it out for yourself. Make sure you know everything the Bible says about the state of the dead (not just a verse or two that might not mean what you think it means). |
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4 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | David_24597 | 72583 | ||
Sorry momma, I misunderstood. | ||||||
5 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | David_24597 | 72578 | ||
Again, how do you know that this is not literal. Rev. 21:18 shows the city of Jerusalem is like pure gold, like clear glass. John is desribing things he saw in heaven the best he could. Rev. 4:6 could in fact be pure, clear ice. How do you know it is not a literal account of what John saw in heaven? Boy, if it takes so many days, just to talk about the interpretaion of the first symbol in the list I made, how long will it take to talk about all of those symbols? I just don't have the time for all this. Sorry, guys, my time is not my own. I supplied some of the texts that interpret some of the symbols of Dan. and Rev. which took me quite a long time to complete. I just don't have the time to go over each one all over again and again and again. Ya'll read them and have fun. Either you agree with them or you don't. Either reject them or accept them. What other options do you have? |
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6 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | David_24597 | 72573 | ||
Again, save for John 4:10-15, this "water" they speak of is literal (NOT symbolic). John 4:10-15 is where Jesus talks about the "living water". It's not at all the same thing. Maybe I should be a little more specific. Show me where the "waters" and/or "seas" are used as symbols and do NOT mean "peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues". I've already shown you Rev. 17:15. Where else is this symbol of the seas and/or waters interpreted in the Bible? Again, I'm not talking about the "living" waters. These are the waters that the nations of the earth come up out of and the winds of strife blow upon. |
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7 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | David_24597 | 72560 | ||
Rev. 16:3-5 I believe to be a literal account and not symbolic. The seas WILL, IN FACT, be turned to blood. As such the "seas" mentioned here are NOT symbolic. Show me any references to the "sea" where it IS used symbolically and explain to me why it CANNOT mean "peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues". Of course, consider if the meanings are changed if you DO think of the "seas" as "peoples...". Rev. 19:6 actually compares the voices of a multitude with the "great waters". How is it that you don't see the "peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues" here? As for: "When you study, forget all you have read what man has said ... and start afresh". That's exactly what I did. Didn't you read my first post? |
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8 | Do demons still exist? | Matt 8:16 | David_24597 | 72545 | ||
Has anybody considered Mark 16:17? one of the things mentioned here is the casting out of demons. And, yes, demons are fallen angels that followed Satan into rebellion. They are the dragon's "angels" of Rev. 12:7. I can't remember the text right now but they have been transfomed to appear to be "angels of light". II Cor. 11:14 is the closest I can find to this. |
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9 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | David_24597 | 72543 | ||
I don't see how any of the instances in these verses you mentioned indicate what the sea is. Nor would these verses be changed in anyway by associating "people, nations, multitudes and tongues" to them. (Save for perhaps Rev. 4:6 the sea of glass - and Rev. 8:8-9; 14:7 and 16:3 which seem to be a literal sea, not symbolic) What else besides Rev. 17:15 describes what the "sea" represents? |
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10 | who are the 144,000 | Rev 7:3 | David_24597 | 72541 | ||
What about a fourth: That there will only be 144,000 "true christians" alive during the tribulation? Aren't all numbers used literally, even if associated with a symbol? What about the FOUR beasts of Dan. 7? The TEN horns of Dan. 7; Rev. 12; 13; 17 and 18 ? What about the "70" weeks of Dan. 9 ? All these numbers are literal even though associated with a symbol. How do you know that there will be MORE than 144,000 of the saved left alive on the earth at this time? |
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11 | Aften1, are you a Christian? | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72508 | ||
Aften1, one of the scriptures you posted was John 1:14: "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." I direct you to verses 1-3 and 10 of the same chapter: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made...He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not." Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:14-20 (esp. verse 16); Heb. 1:2 and 11:3 all show that Jesus IS our Creator. The three persons of the God-Head (Father, Son and Holy Spirit - I John 5:7) all had a hand in our Creation. For some texts about being created by the Spirit of God read Job 26:13 and 33:4. You claim you are here to speak the truth but you reject the plain teachings of the Bible. Again, Aften1, I urge you to accept Jesus as your God. He, only, is able to save you. |
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12 | Finding 'Act as though you have faith' | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72507 | ||
I would agree with Pastor Glenn. Aften1, if these things are sealed to you then by your own words you are not saved because only the saved can understand these things (Dan. 12:10). These things are sealed only from the wicked not from the saved. Aften1, I urge you to accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. Repent from your sins. Ask Jesus to lead you. Ask Him to send the Holy Spirit to you to give you understanding. Read the Bible. Study it. Learn all you can from it. It is the Word of God. The wisdom it imparts is your life. This is your only hope for eternal life. |
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13 | Can a person lose salvation? | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72376 | ||
I would agree with that. If a person becomes saved and then refuses to "follow on to know the Lord" (Hos. 6:3) he CAN loose his salvation. Hos. 4:6 also states that the saved (God's people) can be destroyed because they reject the knowledge given to them. Even Heb. 6:4-6 (especially verse 6) shows that Jesus CANNOT be crucified a second time. Once the first time has been accomplished (accepted) a second repentance is impossible. Now I know that a righteous man falls many times (Prov. 24:16) yet gets back up again. This text in Heb. 6 (also Heb. 10:26-27) would then indicate a falling away and a REFUSAL to repent from it. |
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14 | do you have eternal or temporal life? | John 10:28 | David_24597 | 72368 | ||
I would agree with that. If a person becomes saved and then refuses to "follow on to know the Lord" (Hos. 6:3) he CAN loose his salvation. Hos. 4:6 also states that the saved (God's people) can be destroyed because they reject the knowledge given to them. Even Heb. 6:4-6 (especially verse 6) shows that Jesus CANNOT be crucified a second time. Once the first time has been accomplished (accepted) a second repentance is impossible. Now I know that a righteous man falls many times (Prov. 24:16) yet gets back up again. This text in Heb. 6 (also Heb. 10:26-27) would then indicate a falling away and a REFUSAL to repent from it. |
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15 | a B.C. date for creation? | OT general | David_24597 | 72362 | ||
Well, a study of I and II Sam, I and II Kings and I and II Chron. give a continuous timeline of the reign of the kings of Israel and Judah. Beginning with 586 B.C. the last year of the reign of Zedekiah (when Babylon overthrew Jerusalem) the dates of the reign of Solomon king of Israel would be from 978 B.C. to about 1018 B.C. Then I Kings 6:1 shows 480 years from Solomon's fourth year as king to the exodus from Egypt (approx. 1495 B.C). Mt. Sinai took place two years AFTER they left Egypt 1494 or 1493 B.C. (Num. 9:1) They were in Egypt for 430 years - Ex. 12:40 (400 years as slaves 30 years as free men before they became slaves). Jacob was 130 years old (1926 or 1925 B.C.) Gen. 47:9. So Jacob was born about 2057-2055 B.C. Isaac was 60 years old when Jacob was born. So Isaac was born about 2118-2115 B.C. a year after the destruction of Sodom and Gommorha (2119-2116 B.C.). Abraham was 100 years old when Isaac was born and 99 years old when Sodom and Gommorha were destroyed (Gen. 17:24 through 19:38 and 21:5). So Abraham was born about 2219-2215 B.C. when his father Terah was 70 (Gen. 11:26). From there it was a simple matter to add the lives of the patriarch immediately after the flood from Gen. chapter 11 to each date to discover the year of the flood was about 2519-2507 B.C. Noah was then 600 years old (Gen. 7:11). Now read Gen. chapter 5. As far as I can tell creation took place between the years 4163 and 4183 B.C. The reason the discrepency of the dates grows from Solomon to Adam is because the Bible doesn't give the month and day of these peoples births - only the age of the father when the son was born. Consider if the father (let's say Terah) was born in December (or what we would now call December LOL) of the year 2285 B.C. and his son (Abraham) was born in January, when Tearh was 70 years old, it would have to be in the year 2214 (71 years later. For this reason the "range" of the dates grows by half a year for each generation (to cover the possibility that a year would "turn over" before the son was born). Giving a date for creation of 4183-4163 B.C. Course it might even be more accurate to say that creation took place in the year 4173 B.C. give or take 10 years. Does anyone else have any ideas about this. I know that some consider the life spans of the patriarchs before the flood to be allegorical and not the actual length that they lived. However Gen. chapter 11 shows their life spans growing less and less until Terah who only lived 205 years and Abraham was only 175 years old when he died. Moses was 120. Anyway (because of Gen. 11) I think that those before the flood actually had much greater lifespans than we do know. Shem (Noah's son) was about 98 when the flood came and lived for 502 more years after the flood (Gen. 11:10-11). So I believe the account of their lifespans is, in fact, an accurate account of how long they lived. |
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16 | thanks. | Mal 4:6 | David_24597 | 72358 | ||
Yes, it would seem so copyright | ||||||
17 | Finding 'Act as though you have faith' | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72323 | ||
continued from previous post... (for Aften1) Here is a partial list of the codes of the prophecies being interpreted by the Bible itself. There are others as well if you are really interested. If you just let the Bible interpret it's own sayings, you will find that it IS possible to understand what is being said in the prophecies. the sea – denotes peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues (the "then-known" world) Rev. 17:15 the earth – a new world or land unknown in Bible times – Rev. 13:11 and 10:2 the four winds – Blowing winds represent destruction, plagues, wars, etc. – Isa. 40:7 and 24; Hosea 8:7; Matt. 7:27. Winds held back are great destructions held in check by divine intervention – Rev. 7:1-3 beasts – world dominating nations or kingdoms – Dan. 7:23 a beast rising out of the wind-blown sea – a nation or kingdom rising out of political strife and discord (wars between nations) to dominate the world – e.g. Dan. 7:2-3 and Rev. 13:1 a beast rising out of the earth – would be a new nation (previously unknown) rising out of a previously unknown land and dominating the world. – Rev. 13:11, 14 and 16 a king – symbol of the nation which he rules over – Dan. 2:37-39 and 7:17 and 23 horn – nation or kingdom – Dan. 7:24 and 8:3,8 and 20-22 wings - speed or swiftness – Deut. 28:29; Jer. 4:13 symbolic day – a year of real time – Num. 14:34; Ezek. 4:6. Also note the "seventy weeks" of Dan. 9:24 translates literally as "seventy weeks of years". Given seven days per week one symbolic week would be seven years of real time – seven days per week (seventy weeks is 490 years: 7 x 70). see also Isa. 34:8, 61:2 and 63:4 symbolic month – 30 years of real time according to the Hebrew calendar of 30 days per month symbolic year – 360 years of real time according to the Hebrew calendar of 360 days per year time – one symbolic year – Dan. 7:25 and 12:7 time, times and the dividing of time or time, times and a half – would be three and a half symbolic years or 1260 symbolic days – 1260 years of real time the half hour – in Rev. 8:1 is approx. one week of real time (day for a year - 1/2 day (12 hours) equals 1/2 year (6 months) therefore 2 hours equals 1 month (4 weeks), 1 hour equals 2 weeks, 1/2 hour is therefore approx one week) the glorious holy mountain – in Dan. 11:45 is Jerusalem - Dan. 9:16 a Jew – spiritual Israel, a true Christian – Rom. 2:28; Gal. 3:7, 28 and 29 a pure woman – God's people or church – Isa. 62:5; Matt. 25:1; John 3:29; II Cor. 11:2; Rev. 14:4 a wicked woman – a false church a woman riding upon a beast – Rev. 17:1-6 – is therefore a false church using political powers to enforce its religious laws the host and stars of heaven – God's people – Dan. 8:10 and 24 and 12:3 the Prince of the host – Jesus – Dan. 8:11 and 25, 10:21 and 12:1 grass – all living flesh – Isa. 40:6; James 1:10; I Peter 1:24 trees – mighty men of the earth – Judges 9:7-21; Ps. chapt. 1; Ezek. chapt. 17; Dan. 4:20-22; Matt. 3:10 and 12:33 the sword of the Spirit – the Word of God – Heb. 4:12; Eph. 6:17; II Thess. 2:8; Rev. 1:16, 2:16 and 19:15 the cup in God’s hand – symbol of His wrath – Isa. 51:21-23 and 54:8 and 9; Jer. 13:13, 25:15-38 and 51:6-11; Ezek. 23:31-35; Matt. 20:22, 23 and 26:39, 42; Mark 4:36; Luke 22:42; John 18:11; Rev. 14:10 the dregs thereof – would be the last of the cup poured out at the very end (and the most bitter) gold – faith – Job 23:10; Dan. 12:10 I Peter 1:7 gold tried in the fire – faith made perfect in the furnace of affliction – Isa. 48:10 white raiment – clothed in righteousness – Rev. 19:8 eyesalve (enabling one to see) – the anointing of the Holy Spirit and the discerning of good from evil – Rev. 3:18 Anyway, I hope this helps. I know I've only scratched the surface here. There are other texts that "decode" the symbols used in the prophecies, and other symbols as well that I haven't mentioned. This is just a sample of how the Bible interprets itself. Sorry I had to divide this up into two posts. It wouldn't let me submit this all in one post. |
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18 | Finding 'Act as though you have faith' | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72322 | ||
Aften1, you supplied the following texts: "Isaiah 29 10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. 11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: 12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned." If you read the rest of the chapter you will see that these things are hidden from the wicked. Check out verses 13-16. You also supplied this text: "Daniel 12 8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." Again the wicked do not understand but the wise will understand. And verse 9 clearly shows that the words are sealed "till the time of the end". The text in Rev. 1:1 says just the opposite. That these things are not sealed. That John was shown these things and understood what they meant. Nowhere does it state that he (John) "sealed" these things from those he wrote to. In fact verse 3 IMPLIES an understanding. Then your text in Rev. 5:1-2. Again if you read the rest of the chapter you will find that these seals were opened. verses 5 and 9. And chapter 6 even records each of the seven seals being opened. (Well, except for the seventh seal. It gets opened in 8:1). Now consider Amos 3:7, Aften. I Cor. 2:10; Eph. 3:5. There are others as well that show these things ARE revealed to God's people. Even the title of the book of Revelation means "a revealing" not a sealed writing. continued in next post... |
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19 | Finding 'Act as though you have faith' | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72283 | ||
It will take time to show you all the texts in the Bible that "decifer" the codes of the prophecies. Why don't we start by you showing me from the Bible why you think the prophecies are still "sealed"? And I don't understand what you mean by "channeling spirits". please clarify. |
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20 | Finding 'Act as though you have faith' | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72280 | ||
aften, aften, "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Rom. 3:23 Nobody has "gotten it right". And I have yet to find any scriptural support for a "pre-trib rapture". The Bible teaches that the saved are still on the earth during the "great tribulation". They are protected from it. I'm sure a lot of people here can supply enough texts for this. I'm too tired right now but will go through it later with you if you want. David |
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