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1 | Can judgement happen before sin? | 1 Tim 5:24 | Born Twice | 151966 | ||
Thanks Terrib, So what you are saying is that it is Timothy's judgement or decision that is being spoken of, and not God's judgement. In essence: Some men's sins are obvious - before you(Timothy) make your decision about ordaining them - and other men's sins won't show up until after you(Timothy) have already made your decision. In other words, Paul is telling Timothy that it's quite possible that he may ordain someone who seems to be living in victory over sin, but eventually this person may fall into sin after being ordained... How true... Thanks again. |
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2 | What do we do with the OT? | Rom 7:6 | Born Twice | 150005 | ||
I agree with what your saying, it is now about intent - not the letter of the law. Which, in effect means that we are free from the law - but our intentions should now be subject to the guidance of the Holy Spirit instead of the letter of the law. I don't want to come off as someone who doesn't value the Old Testament or the wisdom of God in the levitical laws - but the original question was "Are we free from the law" and I believe that the answer is a resounding yes! |
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3 | Are we free from the Law? | Rom 7:6 | Born Twice | 149992 | ||
Jesus was talking to Jews who were still under the law... Thus, he rightly said that they should have done all the things in the law. I used that scripture just to show that some of the laws have greater importance to God than others. All of the laws still applied to the Jews that Jesus was speaking to. Now, when it comes to a current day believer being under the law - I think scripture is perfectly clear that we are not. I would go a little further and say that a gentile especially would be exempt from the law. Look at this scripture: Rom 2:14-15 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) This is akin to how the Holy Spirit fulfills the law in us. He writes the law in our heart. Notice verse 15 in the above scripture, it says "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness," The work of the law is what? Well, scripture tells us the work that the law was created for... Rom 3:19-20 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. So verse 19 - the law holds the whole world accountable to God. verse 20 - through the law, we become conscious of sin. This is the work that the law does. Now, the Holy Spirit living within us writes this INTENT of the law - this WORK of the law is written on our hearts. The Holy Spirit fulfills the law by not only making us accountable to God and conscious of sin - but the Holy Spirit makes us children of God who have His Spirit living within us. This makes us more than conquerers. Look at 2 Cor 3:2-3 2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: 3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. (KJV) Notice that the law within a believer is now within the heart - there is no need to have it written on tables of stone (the ten commandments) - because God himself lives inside a TRUE believer.... There is a problem with people justifying sinful activity while claiming to be a Christian, but if there is only one and the same Holy Spirit living inside each of us - then we should all be able to agree on what is regarded as sinful behavior. The problem is that there are a lot of people who think they're God's children when in fact, they are just seriously deceived. Matt 7:22-23 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (KJV) Notice- Jesus said MANY will come to him thinking they lived a righteous Christian life. This is why scripture tells us that every man ought to examine himself... |
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4 | Are we free from the Law? | Rom 7:6 | Born Twice | 149978 | ||
Even Jesus regarded some laws as weightier than others... Matt 23:23 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (KJV) Look at some of the laws you would be subject to... Farmers could only grow one type of crop and you couldn't wear clothing of mixed fabrics... Lev 19:19 19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee. (KJV) We would all have the same style of a square shaped hair cut - and all men would have a beard... Lev 19:27 27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. (KJV) Doing yard work on Saturday would get you killed... Num 15:32-35 32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. 33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. 34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. 35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. (KJV) Like I said in a previous post, we are not under the law - but if we obey the Spirit of Christ that lives within us, we fulfill the intent of the law - which was to show us our sinfulness and hold us accountable to God. Rom 2:14-15 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) (KJV) |
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5 | Are we free from the Law? | Rom 7:6 | Born Twice | 149933 | ||
I agree with the moral standards of the ten commandments not being open to interpretation - however - the law contained much more than moral standards. It had dietary standards, cleanliness standards and other standards that no Christian follows today. Those things are done on an individual basis according to one's own conscience. The greater moral standards, however are not. I agree that they are resolute. | ||||||
6 | Are we free from the Law? | Rom 7:6 | Born Twice | 149926 | ||
I always look at the following scripture: Isa 64:6 6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. (KJV) If our righteousness is filthy rags to God- then how much more are the things we have debates about. If, as you say, your conscience says it is ok to cheat here and there - then what is your guide to tell you that you are cheating? It is more likely that your mind justifies something, yet the conscience knows that the thing your mind is justifying is wrong - thus you are able to say you are cheating. To give a more practical example - say I'm raised in the Jewish faith as a child, then as an adult I get saved by faith in Christ... Because of what I was taught as a child, it may still feel wrong for me to eat pork even after salvation. If that is the case, I would be hurting my relationship with God if I ate pork - It would be very hard to believe that God would hear and answer my prayers if my own conscience felt bad. True faith can not have the excess baggage of a bad conscience. 1 Tim 1:5 5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: (KJV) Now, if in my conversion to the faith, I receive the revelation that all things are clean to me - My new understanding, being grounded in faith, may well eliminate the guilty conscience. In that case, I could eat all the pork I want. However, if I go to a family reunion, and I find a brother who feels guilty in eating pork - I should abstain. What it boils down to is that we have to consider our brother's conscience, as well as our own. By my eating, his mind might justify that it is ok for him to eat pork as well. Yet, his conscience may not agree with this. If he eats because of my example then suffers a bad conscience - his faith will be hurt and I would be the one responsible for this... |
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