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1 | Be serious about this- | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 56265 | ||
Hi, the reference to twelve is not quite as arbitrary as it may seem. Jesus was brought to the temple when He turned twelve, as was the custom (Luke 2:42). Manasseh reigned Israel at twelve years of age AND was held accountable for his bad reign (Chronicles 33:1-2 and 2 Kings 21). All other kings who reigned at a younger age were led by advisors, but Manasseh was not. :-) Estelle |
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2 | Be serious about this- | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 56447 | ||
I stand corrected for changing the context of the question. | ||||||
3 | Be serious about this- | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 56836 | ||
Aspiring Overseer, Your name is interesting. You are seeking God to become a counselor or pastor or father of kids? If any are the case, then keep seeking and He will lead you down the right path! In response, the person who doesn't understand is not held accountable until the Holy Spirit enlightens him as he seeks to understand. The verses you mention refer to those who have rejected knowledge, not those who are ignorant of it. They know something is wrong, but they turn from the truth. I'm referring to people who were a) never approached and so do not know to seek and b) who are seeking and haven't yet had an experience or "epiphany" that further explains God's truth. Babes in Christ are not held to the same standards as mature Christians or else I fear many more people would give up before they started out of a sense of hopelessness. (I would be very discouraged if I died right now and was held accountable at the same level as Mother Theresa!) I will answer as best I can to each passage: Job 36:10 refers to God giving instruction to man, if they hear (turn toward God), then they are blessed (v11). However, if they don't hear (reject God), then they are cursed (v12) to die without the knowledge of how rich both in spiritual and perhaps physical wealth life would be if they would let go of their pride, anger, and self-righteousness (see ch 35, esp.ly v 12-14, and ch 36, esp.ly v 17-19). Prov 19:2, I'm not sure how this verse supports your argument as it only says it isn't good to lack knowledge, not that something bad will happen because you lack knowledge. Isa. 27:11 is referring to Israel (the "fortified city" in v 10) turning from the Lord to their own methods. The passage speaks of people who, instead of seeking the Lord's will, or asking the Spirit for guidance, try to do things for themselves. This is a pride issue. Deut. 32:28-31 and Isa. 1:2-3 further explains the passage in ch 27. Israel became prideful and sought their own way. They are not an ignorant nation, but a prideful nation. I do not understand your point for using Jer 5:3-4, either (as I didn't understand the use of Prov. 19:2). V 3 says "You have smitten them" and "You have consumed them" but "they have refused to repent". Again, this passage is dealing with Israel's rebellion. They are seeking anything but justice and truth (v 1), yet when God disciplines them, they continue to rebel. A person is not described to be in a state of rebellion, thus requiring smiting and consuming, if he doesn't know he is rebelling. God only disciplines those who knowingly and willingly place their will or desires above God's. Matt 15:14 is describing the Pharisees, not ignorant people (see v 12). If you look at 2 Cor 4:2, you will see that those who are perishing do so because they are crafty and adulterate, or change the meaning of, the gospel. Hos 4:6 begins with v 4 where the people are likened to those who contend with priests. This isn't a result of ignorance, but of rebellion. They contend because they don't want to obey, or they want to alter, the rules. "My people" means God's chosen ones, or Israel. They are cursed because they rejected knowledge, thus allowing generational sin. The stronghold established through the parents will not be broken until the ancestors seek the Lord. Just as Adam sinned and caused the rest of humanity to be born in sin, so did Israel curse its children. As an example of my point, a parent shouldn't hold his child accountable for something until the something has been clearly defined, otherwise, how would the child know what he has done wrong? 1 Sam 3:13 says that God holds the *parents* responsible for the sons' evil ways because the *parents* know. In the same way, God holds His children (those who have repented and accepted Jesus as their Savior) accountable for the truths we know. However, it isn't good to remain a babe in Christ, for then we cannot fulfill the Great Commission. In Christ, Estelle |
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4 | Be serious about this- | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 56842 | ||
Searcher, I believe you and I are on the same wavelength and hence, am not sure if you are refuting my post. Ignorance can only be claimed once for the second time would not exist without the first. Also, I hope I did not imply that Christ does NOT extend mercy to the knowing sinner, too, for He most certainly does. It is God's choice to discipline us when we've sinned. In Christ, Estelle |
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5 | Be serious about this- | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 56944 | ||
AO, greetings. I trust this new week meets you with endless possibilities. At the beginning of Lev 5, Moses explains that a person must atone for his sins when they are *made known* to him. We are all guilty of sin, regardless of whether we know the sin or not. But our atonement for the sin can only occur when we learn of it. However, please remember that, unlike BC, the only way today's Christian is able to 'atone' for sin is to ask Jesus to wash it away, for we cannot possibly do enough ourselves. Please do not take my statement to mean that God ignores sin. Paying retribution for sin is still necessary. Jesus died to take away all sin, not just those that we know. As Searcher56 reminds us, ignorance isn't a card that can be played to get away with sin. Again, my point is that God shows mercy on the unknowing sinner (John 3:16). This fact does not absolve the sinner of his sins. This is the reason one should ask for forgiveness of ALL his sins, those both known and unknown. And one should ask the Holy Spirit to make known his sins so they can be confessed and, with the help of God, not done again. In Micah 3:8, God said He used the power of the Spirit to open Israel's eyes to how far it had strayed from the Lord. If one prays for the Spirit to do the same to him, then the Spirit is more than willing to grant the request, for the request is biblically based. This point is further explained in John 3:21. As one continues to seek the truth, his understanding increases and both his good and bad deeds are exposed. It should be an unending quest, for we will never know God completely. This has been a most enjoyable study for me as I pray it has for you! In Christ, Estelle |
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6 | why is Catholic confession required? | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 57083 | ||
Terribly sorry, Teragram, this question was meant for Emmaus as I know you and I agree on this point. I did not notice that I was responding to your post instead of his response to mine. I will cut and paste to repost to Emmaus. In Christ, Estelle |
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7 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 57413 | ||
Emmaus, (mish mash response) thank you for the clarification. I hadn't responded before this because I've been too busy to get involved with this website. I will study the verses posted in your other response. You do have the gist of my questions. I will check out the websites posted above. I hadn't realized saying the rosary was more than the "Hail Mary" statement. I too would hope a priest wouldn't assign a "slew" of them to the penitent! Until later... In Christ, Estelle |
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8 | I know God is all knowing | Is 55:8 | roviear | 19364 | ||
Sorry, had to step away for a second. About the second part of your question: what part did God not say? Answer: none, He said it all, just not directly. God used several authors to interpret His will in the Old Testament. Some say that the New Testament isn't God's Word. But how can one say this when the New Testament is a biography of God the Flesh? So, the whole of the Bible is from God. No, He didn't say, "Paul, write this down, 'Jesus wept'." What He did do was reveal Himself to the authors so that the rest of the world may know Him. As you study the Word, ask your pastor or a mature Christian about the portions that you do not understand. This forum is a good place to ask as well. Also, research the internet as other websites exist that provide bible studies online. Just remember, even the most mature Christians are discovering new truths as they read and study the Word. | ||||||
9 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 30275 | ||
John 3:16: People lose gifts all the time. Unfortunately, I "lost" God's gift for about 2 years by living my life the way I thought it should be lived (boy did I have a wake-up call!). Walk with me, if you will, on my thought path: you are a believer (I will use 'believer' for a true believer of Christ as described in Acts and 'Christian' for a person who was raised in Christianity but did not accept Jesus as personal savior, etc.), but do not repent of your new sins, does this mean you still go to heaven? If so, then what's the point of being obedient? Try this one, if you (by the way, 'you' is meant strictly in a general sense) are a believer, but refuse to repent of, say, an adulterous affair ("I'm guilty but it feels too good to leave" type of thing), does this mean you stop being a believer? I personally don't think so, I think it means you've lost your way, or "fallen off the path," and need to get right with the Lord. Basically, I'm saying that repenting of past sins when you become a bliever doesn't cover the new sins after you've accepted Christ. It means that you now acknowledge that sin is, well, sin, and needs to be repented. You don't stop being a believer because you've sinned, but you do keep yourself from God by not repenting of your ways. A final way of looking at it: by saying a person will always go to heaven once they become a believer means lukewarm people also go. But doesn't God despise these (Rev 3:16)? Note, I avoid the word 'forgiveness' because it doesn't necessarily mean that you've adjusted your ways. 'Repent,' however, does. | ||||||
10 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 30277 | ||
Johnny, when I wrote this, I was actually thinking of Deuteronomy when God provided Moses with the laws of how to live and what to do as various situations arose. The way to live began in Ex. 20 with the commandments and the correct way to worship. It picks up again in Deut. where the law touched upon every aspect of life, finishing in Deut. 30. You'll see in Deut. where God explicitly details what happens if believers are obedient and what happens if they aren't. True, Moses doesn't say a person can get into Heaven by doing this. But wouldn't you agree that the curses laid so bare in ch.s 28 and 29 summarize a person who won't be going to heaven if he doesn't get right with the Lord? In Christ... | ||||||
11 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 30279 | ||
Hmmm...never thought about Jesus' coming as being retroactive. I did miss the faith side of things completely, didn't I? Thanks for pointing out my oversight. But then, this leads me to ask, why would God go into such great detail with the dos and don'ts (Ex. 20-end and Deut. 1-30)? I also believe Jesus mentioned that the old way was by law in conjunction with faith, but the new way is through Him with obedience. In other words, actions speak louder than words, but the actions don't mean anything if belief in God isn't motivating those actions. Reference Gen 26:5, Ex 18:20, Ezek 44:23-24. Essentially, works don't get a person anywhere without faith (OT) or Jesus (NT). I feel as if I'm drifting down the wrong path again, am I? No, I'm clarifying what I should have said and am answering my own question. Again, thank you. In Christ... | ||||||
12 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 30281 | ||
Johnny, IMPORTANT: my previous comment is wrong in one sense. Abiding by the law wasn't the way OT Jews got into heaven. They had to have faith. Kalos pointed out my mistake and my response to the correction further clarifies what I should have said. Please also look at those two notes | ||||||
13 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 43208 | ||
To everyone: I've since learned that my second to last sentence is 100 per cent WRONG. You will not go to Hell once you become a believer, no matter the sin in your life. The motivation to stay the Christian course is not to ensure you get into heaven but because you love the Lord and want to please Him. Sorry for the misunderstanding. | ||||||
14 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 64290 | ||
FTimA, actually, it really is that simple. I was not referring to our consciences and the process of releasing our guilt and sins to the Lord, I was referring to what you must do in order to be forgiven. Please remember, though, as it says in James 2, works without faith doesn't amount to much. So, if a person asks for forgiveness (the action), but does not have the faith that he is forgiven, then it doesn't mean anything. Conversely, faith without works is dead as well. A person who believes that he's been forgiven (faith), but doesn't permanently change his ways doesn't get it either. Asking for salvation is the easy part. Believing that you've been saved should also be the easy part. Living a perfect life as our heavenly Father (Matt 5:48) is the hard part. By the way, I have since realized that no one can lose the gift of salvation. Please also see my post dated 4/11/02. In Christ, Estelle | ||||||
15 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 64460 | ||
FTimA, from the numerous posts made to you on this topic, it appears that you will not be swayed in your beliefs and it grieves me that you're allowing the Deceiver this stronghold in your life. The Holy Spirit places the truth in us. Through prayer and meditation the Truth is revealed to us. Note, in order to know the Truth and be set free, we must actively seek it. Once I became saved, I didn't continue to seek salvation, I began seeking the Truth. I pose a series of questions to you. 1. Is Mother Theresa with God? Is Peter with God? How about John the Baptist? How do you know that they are or are not? 2. If Christians (here I mean true believers, not religious Christians) must continually repent, based on the fact that we are inherently sinful, then how is anyone with God? 3. Does anyone know the exact moment of earthly death? 4. If Christians must continually work for salvation, then why did Jesus bother dying that horrible death in the first place? Why bother if we still have to work for salvation? 5. Who determines if we've worked enough? Wouldn't that again lead back to a rather sparse heaven with only the Triune God and angels there? I pray that you allow your eyes to be opened to the Truth and that by the power of Jesus' blood, the Deceiver be gone from your life. I know that Jesus has me in His hand and I KNOW that Satan cannot remove me no matter how far I may stray. My assurance is based on the Word of God (as has oft been quoted in others' posts to you). See, that's where faith enters. You repent of your sins, ask for forgiveness, and accept the gift of salvation, then you believe that God doesn't lie in His word nor does He contradict Himself. In Christ, Estelle |
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16 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 64461 | ||
Robert, quick point: death isn't actually a punishment for true believers, for we're going to be with God. I believe that our punishment is the continued separation from fellowship with the Lord, which means that we don't enjoy the fruits of the Spirit (Gal 5). For myself, I cannot stand being miserable, therefore, I seek the Spirit's help in revealing my sins or why I'm feeling separated. Most times I don't actually need to seek too hard for I know what the issue is! Also, the Bible doesn't actually say that Ananias and Sapphira themselves were true believers, only that they were in the midst of the believers. They attempted to deceive the Lord because they mistakenly believed that He only saw the outward appearance. I don't remember who else spoke about A and S, but I read it recently. It was a short, but pretty good discourse on the topic. In Christ, Estelle |
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17 | Jesus name baptism fulflls matt 28 | Matt 28:19 | roviear | 57072 | ||
Coffee, some people on the forum like to use the Word of God as a sledgehammer. It appears that Mr. Reformer Joe may be one of these people. I have noticed from most of his posts that he views those he responds to as opponents rather than people who are seeking a better understanding of Christ. This type of personality very rarely sees the problem with his approach. This personality type also tends to be very defensive when being rebuked, no matter how lovingly it is stated and intended. As you and several other members have pointed out, it is not what is being said, but how it is said that causes people to flee. When personalities such as Mr. Joe are involved in a thread I am reading, I attempt to ignore the implied acidity with which the point is being made and glean what the Holy Spirit is saying through the personality. Hope this helps. In Christ, Estelle For those who are like Mr. Joe and prefer points backed with Scripture, please study Gal. 6:1-10, Col. 3:12-17, and 1 John 4:7-12. Thank you. |
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18 | strong words for sin, not sinner | Matt 28:19 | roviear | 57182 | ||
Joe, well put. I appreciate your candor. Also, thank you for defining "rebuke". I misunderstood its definition and will no longer be afraid to walk on eggshells around irascible people when it comes to my beliefs. Btw, his or her name is Coffee, not Cookie (yet another way one could believe he or she is being unlovingly belittled). In Christ, Estelle |
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19 | strong words for sin, not sinner | Matt 28:19 | roviear | 57183 | ||
Steve, indeed where he is concerned, I was being too sensitive, but had not reread his posts in awhile. I should have reread his posts before responding to Coffee to see if I had truly lost my holy-roller attitude. I stand corrected toward Mr. Joe. I also misunderstood the term rebuke. In Christ, Estelle |
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20 | Jesus name baptism fulflls matt 28 | Matt 28:19 | roviear | 57186 | ||
Joe, I didn't read this post first (I seem to never figure out in which order to check my Yahoo messages). You are right, I did not mention the wrath that Jesus had toward those who were false teachers when in fact I should have since that was the point of the original thread. Please also read the post I sent to Steve today at 2.35 pm. In Christ, Estelle |
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