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1 | Is there a reason to debate? | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 219997 | ||
dodoy Thank you very much for finally getting to your point. I have been here waiting for you to arrive. To tell you the truth at first I was thinking you were just playing word games until I myself thought of the two 12 hr. periods of time for the Jew. Which then for me explained the verse satisfactorily and your assertion of the proper word usage. Very well presented I don't see any dots that haven't been connected:-) Gods day to you lightedsteps |
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2 | Is thea a difference btwn a church,temple n synagog | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 220130 | ||
Hi jily Church 1) A building as we use the word today. - - Christian Religion 2) New Testament times to the present - - the people. 3) Jesus was not talking about a building. Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Temple 1) A building Old Testiment times and today. - - Jewish Religion 2) The building in Jerusalem built by Solomon as per the plans given to David by God for the dwelling place of His Glory. I personally believe that to be the Holy Spirit. 2Ch 6:2 But I have built an house of habitation for thee, and a place for thy dwelling for ever. 3) New Testament times to the present - - the people. 1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? Synagogue 1) A building as we use the word today. - - Jewish Religion 2) The people - - the worshipers Psa 22:3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. While it is true these three words are descriptive of specific buildings which are used by different religions for their worship of God they are also descriptive of the people of God themselves. lightedsteps |
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3 | Aren't there differences? | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 220147 | ||
Hi srbaegon I apologize for inadvertently offending you. I wrote my comment after I had read the thread on the evening of the 10th but just as I was going to post my computer crashed. Whereupon my return on the morning of the 11th I did not re-read the thread. If I had done so as you say I would have seen that Beja did make comment to the verses I posted. But even if I did not read the thread and just posted as you think has my posting disrupted the continuity of the thoughts made thus far? It could be taken as a reiteration of the post by Beja. Just wanted to clear up the misunderstanding you had. But now as we can see MAC702 asked a question instead of posting a note which he should have done. Therefore this thread should not have even happened so I guess this whole thread is now rendered moot. lightedsteps |
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4 | Chgs - early Jeruselem Church structure? | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 220295 | ||
Hi Flying_V Gods day to you, and welcome. Let me see, if memory serves, these two should fill the bill. These would constitute the hierarchy of the church, and why there is such a structure set in place. 1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Eph 4:11 11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. The structure is Ordained of God. How you might ask? 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: The mere fact God inspired the writing of the Bible, means that He had the words written that you have just read, HE set His structure in it's place for His Church. Without a specific structure in the church, there would be chaos, anarchy, and that is something God would not condone within His church. Are you unaware, that God Himself set up a structure, which is to be found in the Universe, and Nature? God set up a structure for the Angels, then when He created the Earth He placed Man as the supreme being over all of His creation. Our God is a God of "ORDER," Satan is the author of "CONFUSION," without a specific structure set down by God Himself there would be no church. To fight against the structure to be found within the Church, is to fight against God Himself. Last of all, look at all of the countries of the world, they all have a government, the most crucial element in any government is authority, in this you see the structure, hierarchy. Be ever mindful, that "ALL" authority comes from God, He makes Kings to both rise, and fall, to fulfil His purposes in the Earth. He does the same with the government of the church. Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. Hope this clears things up for you lightedsteps |
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5 | Five fingers relation with the Church | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 220378 | ||
Never having heard of the WOF the first two thing's that came to my mind when I read the question were. (1.) The Five Solas of the Reformation Sola Scriptura Soli Deo Gloria Solus Christus Sola Gratia Sola Fide (2.) The Five Points of Calvinism Total depravity (Original Sin) Unconditional election (God's Election) Limited atonement (Particular Redemption) Irresistible grace (Effectual Calling) Perseverance of the Saints lightedsteps |
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6 | Noah | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 220500 | ||
Hi Brad It just seems as though Noah was very harsh for such a menial offence. Could there be, a connection of these two passages, for a better understanding of just why Noah cursed his son Ham, and his descendants? Gen. 9:21-24 21. And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. 22. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. 24. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. Lev 18:6-8 6. None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD. 7. The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8. The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness. lightedsteps |
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7 | Noah | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 220517 | ||
Hi Aileen you said "And for that matter, why are we today still paying for Adam and Eve's GREAT sin why make decendants pay for something their silly ancestors did?" It isn't something as simple as Adam sinning and us paying for that sin while He gets off Scott free. It cost him his intimate relationship with God and now he would start to age and eventually die. The sin was in the gaining of the knowledge of good and evil. It would be the same as saying you will sin to gain the knowledge of good and evil and the knowledge of good and evil will then cause you to sin. Having anything to do with this knowledge causes sin. This knowledge became part of his nature it was knowledge he didn't possess up until that time. Knowledge that God didn't want man to possess. God knew this knowledge could not be held within earthen vessels without further sinning therefore God forbid him this knowledge. God possessed this knowledge but God is not flesh and blood as we were created by Him. That acquired sin nature is what has been passed on to us. That perfect nature created by God was now corrupted by that knowledge. So you see it isn't as though we are just paying for that sin we have inherited the nature of Adam which was now a sin nature. That is the fall of Adam the fall from what he was created to/for to what he had become by sinning what he lost was he was created perfect and he chose to add to it corruption. But God be praised that through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior we have been forgiven our sins and gained newness of life which is created in true Holiness and Righteousness. We have put off the old man with it's sinful nature and put on Christ. Having been reconciled to God through the blood of Christ we have come into His rest having ceased from our labors which would be our coming back to the Garden. We have had our Eternal Life restored. We will still die physically because we are still flesh and that was part of the curse. Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Becoming a new creature in Christ means. While we still retain all of the attributes of the flesh. At the same time we have regained the attributes of the spirit that were lost in the fall by Adam. Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. In Christ we are now dead to the Sin nature of man and alive to the Spirit which is of God. I am of the belief that when the time of our death comes regardless of the circumstances our death will be likened to the death of Stephen. Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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8 | Jewish law during the millenium | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 221363 | ||
Hey Guys Beja, keily I Have been enjoying the discussion. Could there be any chance of the possibility that from Matt.25:34...to ...Matt.25:41 there could be the 1,000 yrs. being spoken of? What I mean, there is just an account of two separate events taking place, without any mention of time. The judgement depicted in Matt.25 is clearly one judgement for both the saved, and the unsaved in one event. But these two judgements, could be 1000 years apart, couldn't they? Just a thought. lightedsteps. |
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9 | Jewish law during the millenium | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 221369 | ||
Hi again guys Beja, keily I'm not an "Amillennialist" --- "PREmillennialist" --- or even a "POSTmillenialist" I am one that could be called a "PANmillenialist" I fully trust in Gods plan for mankind, and that He hasn't made any mistakes thus far. Therefore I believe everything will PAN-OUT alright.:-) When it is time, Our Father, will make sure, His Children will know what is taking place. Just on a side note, when we read the fulfillment of prophesy, it is a literal fulfillment, ie, Jesus fulfilled prophesy literally, therefor how can we read a prophesy, that has not been fulfilled yet in a spiritual, or allegorical sense? Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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10 | sins of the father | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 222714 | ||
Hi Doc So then what you are saying is. These verses, really don't mean what they are saying? Eze.18:20 20) (THE SOUL THAT SINNETH, IT SHALL DIE. THE SON SHALL NOT BEAR THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHER, NEITHER SHALL THE FATHER BEAR THE INIQUITY OF THE SON: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Deut. 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Where then is the scripture or scriptures, that supercede, or nullify what these do say? Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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11 | sins of the father | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 222718 | ||
lionheart Good day to you, please excuse the delay, and thanks for your input:-) In your saying "But how often have the consequences of ones sin impacted the lives of others." Yes people all the time, do end up holding the bag for the things other people have done, but that isn't quite the point is it? The question that was originally asked, was about generational sins, not there consequences. In other words, the children will commit the same sins of the parents, as a generational curse. IMHO the generational sins now under discussion, do not exist. Hypothetical: Two brothers, and one sister grow up in a family where the father is an alcoholic, and abuses the mother, these children see this abuse take place on a regular basis, when these three children are grown, getting married themselves, one brother drinks, and abuses his wife just as his father had done, the second brother does not drink or abuse his wife, but the sister, finds herself being abused like her mother was. So then if the sin of spousal abuse is passed on to the children in a generational curse, to the third and the fourth generation. Should not the curse pass on to all the children, or is this type of curse selective? Why would one brother be a drunk, and abuse, and the other not? Lastly what is the sin the sister is committing by being the one abused? Isn't this nothing more than, the learned behavior of two children observing, but then again the second brother having observed the same things,"CHOSE" to not drink, or abuse. Therefore in such things we do have a choice, there is no generational curse, it is nothing more than the fallen human nature, and learned behavior. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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12 | sins of the father | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 222837 | ||
Hi Doc It seems as though we are at crossed purposes. Your answer is in relation to the corporate, (Nation). I am answering the question as asked, which was in the singular. The question asked was "i think it says about the sins being carried through generations" Therefore I feel as though the answer I gave while being out of context to the Nations complaint, Gods answer to them was in a singular context. Eze 18:20 - Deut. 24:16 God is Sovereign, even though He judges each man for his own actions, He can still judge the nation as a whole. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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13 | Did John really baptise Jesus?? | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 223531 | ||
Brother Beja Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. How could Jesus be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, unless He actually had those infirmities Himself, and being in all points tempted like as we are, unless He did have the potential to give in to that temptation, which is inherent in man. There had to be the same possibility of sinning in His flesh, as we have in ours, in order for Him to be able to overcome everything for us, because we can't. There is no temptation without the possibility of succumbing to that temptation. To have the sin nature of all men, does not in any way mean that Jesus had sin in Him, or that He did sin, what it means, is that He had the potential for sin, anything less than that potential makes Him less than a man, He had to have the potential to succumb to temptation, otherwise the temptation would be void. We all know of the temptation that Jesus underwent in the wilderness for the forty days after He was baptized. Luke 4:1-13 But all of these temptations were addressed to the Son Of God by Satan. Here then is a temptation that Jesus endured as a man. Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Mat 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. Mat 26:44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. These are the prayers of a man in the throes of mental anguish, being tormented with the knowledge of the task before Him. As a man, this death He was facing was not something He wanted to do, but He submitted to the will of God. If He had walked away as he definitely wanted to, He would still have been the son of God, but in His walking away safely, He would not have secured "US" to the utmost. He has felt our fear, as He had to feel everything else we think or feel. This could not be accomplished by anything less than being 100 percent human being, which includes all of the frailties of man. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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14 | Did John really baptise Jesus?? | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 223567 | ||
Brother Brad Having a sin nature is not sin, or sinning. When we look in the bible, we don't find either “sin nature”, or “original sin” both of these terms have been devised to explain to ourselves as humans, a dynamic which cannot be explained in the physical realm, because it is a Spiritual happening (event), man has come to these terms by using selected verses for our own understanding. The sin nature, is nothing more than having a propensity toward sin, but having this tendency is not, in and of itself sinning. Although "WE HAVE" all sinned, coming short of the glory of God. This sin nature passes on to us "Spiritually", the original sin of Adam is not a physical thing, therefore it cannot be passed on to us through genetics. We acquire this sin nature (original sin) "Spiritually" simply by the fact "WE are all the descendants of Adam. In looking at Romans 7:13–25 we find these sinful tendencies as being part of the flesh, what Paul calls the (sarx in Greek), which means the flesh or body. Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. This is the place we find ourselves to be in, but we only have one nature, but God be Praised, in Jesus physical body also dwelled "GOD". Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Therefore being GOD, Incarnate, He was able to keep Himself from sinning. You seemed to have missed the point, Jesus was totally, Man, and totally God. This means Jesus had two diametrically opposed natures, the nature of man, (sin nature) and the Nature of God, Divine nature. This would mean that no matter how depraved the nature of man might be, the Divine nature of God is greater, thereby able to overcome any temptation to sin. Now using ourselves as comparison, the life we now live, is the same life Jesus was able to live. 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. When we receive salvation, we are freed from sin through Christ. Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. If we are able to live a sinless life, while still in the flesh, because we have become partakers of the Divine Nature of God, how much more was Christ preserved blameless by this same Divine Nature which indwelt Him? Therefore Jesus can have the sin nature of man, and still not sin. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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15 | Did John really baptise Jesus?? | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 223575 | ||
Brother Tim In your saying "None of these passages describe the human nature that Christ possessed. He was without sin in any form" Do you mean the human nature that Christ possessed, is categorically different than ours, on the grounds He was without sin in any form? Does not that viewpoint then precipitate the discussion, whether or not we are bearing within "our" flesh the actual sin of Adam, or rather we carry the consequences of that very sin? Jesus was born, lived, died without sin, otherwise He would not be a fit sacrifice for the sins of man. He had life in Himself, "HE IS THE LIFE" Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: (FOR THAT WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER IS OF THE HOLY GHOST). 1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. We are born without sin, but we have death abiding in us, which is the consequence of Adams sin, therefore we succumb to sin. 1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. Upon our salvation we are in Christ, we too become born of God, having the seed of God abiding in our fleshly bodies, therefore the verses in 1 John now apply to us also. We have obtained the same life in our earthen vessels, that Jesus had abiding in Him, we have been set free from the bondage in which we were held. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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16 | Did John really baptise Jesus?? | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 223577 | ||
Dear Brad My statement "Jesus was totally, Man, and totally God." "This means Jesus had two diametrically opposed natures, the nature of man, (sin nature) and the Nature of God, Divine nature." Your statement Nestorianism is the error that Jesus is two distinct persons. Jesus was one person in two distinct and inseparable natures: divine and human. Please forgive the oversight, it was the only way I could think of wording "MY" thoughts, I assumed when I said natures, you would understand. Does this work for you? What we see in looking at Jesus, are two distinct natures in one person, human and divine, both of these natures becoming inseparable. Jesus will be fully God, and fully human for all eternity. In Jesus, His human and divine natures are not intermixed, or mingled, they are and have been united, but without losing either of these separate identities. Again in my words, Jesus had two distinct natures, but the sin nature of man was swallowed up in life, ie, the Divine nature of God. Just as it is with us, upon our becoming regenerated. The divine nature is always, and in all cases dominant over the sin nature of man, as it is now in our mortal bodies. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I'm not a theologian, and I may not put things into the correct order. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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17 | Did John really baptise Jesus?? | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 223578 | ||
What has happened? "This thread has been temporarily restricted from appearing on the homepage. If you submit a question, answer, or note to this thread, it will be processed and added to the thread, but will not appear on the homepage." It was not my intention for the discussion to become controversial, but seeing it apparently has, with all respect for our gracious host, the Lockman Foundation, this will be my last post on the matter. Grace be unto you all lightedsteps |
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18 | Did the Romans kill Jesus or did the Jew | NT general | lightedsteps | 223176 | ||
Hi Bob The technical side of your question is answered by saying, because the Jewish nation, was at that time, under the control of Rome, they had to petition the Roman Governor Pilate to execute Jesus, because according to them (the Jewish leaders) He had committed blasphemy, which was punishable by death, they were not allowed by Roman law to execute Him. So even though the Romans carried out the actual execution, it was because the Jews had asked for Him to be executed, not because He had broken any Roman law. Luk 23:4 Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man. Mat 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.Mat 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. But it was done in such a manner so that Jew, and Gentile took part in the Crucifixion of Jesus. His death was not for anything He did, it was because of "OUR ISN" for which He was the sacrificed. As Moran has said, we are all responsible for His death. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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19 | wednsday or friday Jesus died | NT general Archive 1 | lightedsteps | 219916 | ||
Hi Dhaniei Just a question as I see you are a Messianic Jew and would probably have a better understanding of the separation of days vs. nights. I believe as you do frome the sign of Jonah statement made by Jesus. Anyway my question is We all know that there was a big rush to get Jesus off the cross and in the tomb before sundown. This then taking place in that manner "Does His being in the tomb before sundown then count as the first day"? Is only part of the daylight hours still counted as a full day? The other thing is how can Jesus have a Passover meal with his disciples before He was crucified? Isn't the Lamb Eaten during the Passover meal? Luke 22:10-12 If Jesus has had this meal then it is already the Holy Day Celebration isn't it? What then would be the big rush? Help me out here will you. I just can't see Him as the Passover Lamb slain for the sins of the world and eating the Passover befor He was crucified. Have a Merry Christmas lightedsteps |
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20 | Heb. 6:4-6 Security | Gen 1:1 | lightedsteps | 219873 | ||
Hi there Justme I have taken the time to read everything in this branch I think I have something that might help you. This is from a man that in his time he was a great preacher he is even called the prince of preachers. I dont know if any of you have ever heard of him before but his name is rev. C.H. Spurgeon. He gave this as a sermon over 150 yrs ago it really clears things up for all of the differing points of view in this branch and it states very plainly that salvation is not something that can be lost. And Justme from what you said your friend went up to an invitation if I am not wrong you mean an alter call in a church. If this is the case then we should never ever judge whether or not someone was saved. As a matter of fact we should never judge anothers salvation at all.Luke 6:37 His profession of faith fit all the criteria for salvation. in Rom. 10:10 he believed unto righteousness and went forward and in doing so he made his public confession by his saying whatever he was asked to say by the pastor. He was saved period. It is never our place to judge such matters. Rom.14:4 Anyway I am proud to let Mr. Spurgeon be the cornerstone of my posting here he has built his case as a master builder the foundation is on solid rock then all of the framework was put in place if anyone has any understanding of construction then they know both of these components are critical for a well built house. It is the same as with scripture we cant afford to use guess work or assumption to direct the wording of certain passages. It has to have a solid foundation otherwise our house meaning our beliefs will fall when they are tested by God. Lets hear The Rev C.H. Spurgeon speak again after so long a time. This is a lengthy one enjoy. Happy to be here MERRY CHRISTMAS lightedsteps |
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