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1 | Pre-Tribulation Rapture | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94712 | ||
The rapture theory is contradicted by the following biblical facts: Christ’s return will not be invisible; rather, it will be universally manifest. For as the lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen from phaino, to shine even unto the west; so houtos, in this manner shall be the coming parousia of the Son of Man Mt. 24:27. As those early disciples beheld theaomai, to see, look at Christ’s departure to heaven, so in like manner tropos, in the same way will he come again (Acts 1:11). The Lord’s coming will involve a revelation apokalupsis, to uncover of his being (2 Thes. 1:7), because at that time Christ will be “manifested” phaneroo .. a term which, when employed in the passive voice (as in 1 Jn. 2:28), means to show or reveal oneself, be revealed, appear to someone (Arndt Gingrich, Greek Lexicon, Chicago: University of Chicago, 1967, p. 860). Moreover, as Jesus was visible during his first “appearing” epiphaneia on earth (2 Tim. 1:10), so will he be visible when he appears at his second coming (1 Tim. 6:14; 2 Tim. 4:1, 8; Tit. 2:13). Finally, of his coming it is said that Jesus shall “appear” horao, “become visible” a second time (Heb. 9:28). If the advocates of the rapture theory are correct, the Lord will not appear until his third coming! Christ’s coming will not be inaudible; rather, scripture indicates that the Second Advent will be accompanied by considerable sound phenomena. The Lord will descend from heaven with a “a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God” (1 Thes. 4:16). This has been called the noisiest verse in the Bible. Too, when Jesus comes again, “the heavens shall pass away with a great noise” (2 Pet. 3:10). That hardly accords with the notion that the return of the Lord will be a silent, secret event. The truth of the matter is, the rapture theory is relatively recent. The idea appears to be traceable to a Pentecostal movement of the early 1800’s .. founded by Edward Irving (1792-1834). A recent writer says: “The idea of a two-stage coming of Christ first came to a Scottish lass, Miss Margaret Macdonald of Port Glasgow, Scotland, while she was in a prophetic’ trance” (Robert Brinsmead, Present Truth, September, 1974, p. 28). Brinsmead quotes from a book, published in 1861, by Dr. Robert Norton, a member of the Irvingite group. This volume, titled The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets: In the Catholic Apostolic Church (p. 15), as quoted by Brinsmead, reads as follows: Marvelous light was shed upon Scripture, and especially on the doctrine of the second Advent, by the revived spirit of prophecy. In the following account by Miss M.M..., of an evening during which the power of the Holy Ghost rested upon her for several successive hours, in mingled prophecy and vision, we have an instance; for here we first see the distinction between that final stage of the Lord’s coming, when every eye shall see Him, and His prior appearing in glory to them that look for Him. George Murray, in his excellent volume, Millennial Studies, has also quoted the renown Greek scholar, S.P. Tregelles, who, in 1864, wrote: “I am not aware that there was any definite teaching that there should be a Secret Rapture of the Church at a secret coming until this was given forth as an utterance in Mr. Irving’s church from what was then received as being the voice of the Spirit” (op. cit., p. 138). The rapture theory thus rests upon the same sort of bogus “revelations” as Shakerism (founder Ann Lee had visions and claimed to speak in seventy-two languages), Seventh-Day Adventistism (Ellen White thought she took a trip to heaven), and Christian Science (Mary Baker Eddy’s revelations told her there is no death). The dispensational dogma, with all its peculiar elements (including the notion of a secret rapture), is at variance with the teaching of the Bible, and careful students of Holy Writ will reject it. |
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2 | Pre-Tribulation Rapture | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94718 | ||
Tribulation Trah Part 1 Many Protestants have copied a medieval Catholic idea, and decided that there is a big gap between the rapture and the coming of Christ. They call this gap "The Great Tribulation" and use it as a dumping site for all the "Great Apostasy" scriptures they do not like. It is true that there will be terrible tribulations before the Second Coming. But this should not be confused with the 1260 year period spoken of in Daniel and Revelation, during which the church would be "in the hand of" Satan. The Rapture and the Second Coming: When Christ comes again, the faithful will raise in the air to meet him, and then He will descend to earth, fulfilling all the various prophecies. This rising into the air, where surviving believers meet with resurrected saints, is called the "rapture." Sounds Simple – Why make it complicated? The common Protestant view adds something called "The Great Tribulation." What is it, and why was it added? The Origins of the Theory: The idea of a Great Tribulation, lasting either seven or three and a half years, can be traced to the Spanish Jesuit, Ribera. He was writing in the year 1591. This was when the Protestants had begun to realise that the 1260 "days" of prophecy referred to the church in the dark ages. The Catholic church did not like this being pointed out. So Ribera invented the idea of a final tribulation yet to come. But as the centuries have passed, it became clear that the Protestants were no better than the Catholics, and the rise of Protestantism did not usher in the Second Coming. So gradually Protestants have adopted the convenient Catholic fiction of "the tribulation" being in the future. Fairbairn's Bible Dictionary (London: Blackie and Son, 1866), under the topic "Revelation", notes the two major advantages of this theory to any false church: First, it is "holding that the whole interval of historic time between the ascension of Christ and the appearance of antichrist is passed over in prophecy." In other words, God has ignored the first 2000 years of church history! Second, "It has the convenient advantage of not admitting of being tested in actual history." The whole purpose of the false "last days tribulation" doctrine is to make us ignore a) the prophecies of the great Apostasy, and b) the last 2000 years, which fulfilled those prophecies. The finishing touches to the "last days tribulation" theory, concerning a separate rapture and a seven year duration (with the 1260 "days" as half of that), were added by Darby in or around the year 1830. What is the Alleged Sequence of Events? A friend (a pre-tribulation rapture believer) described the popular Protestant approach to this as follows: "According to pre-trib belief, the sequence of events is: 1) rapture 2) Antichrist signs seven year peace covenant 3) 3 1/2 years into the seven year period, the Antichrist is killed and comes back to life, admittedly this is a counterfeit resurrection 4) at the end of the seven years Jesus returns to planet earth – known as His second coming, defeats the Antichrist and armies of the world" The truth is alot more simpler: 1) rapture and Second Coming. The phrase "antichrist" and "tribulation" are more general descriptions. These things have already started – and had started in some degree even in New Testament times. These trials will eventually build up to the battle of Armageddon and the fall of Babylon. They are completed by the Second Coming – with the rapture happening at pretty much the same time. It All Hinges on the Great Tribulation Theory: If the 'Great Tribulation' theory is correct, then all the apostasy scriptures have not yet been fulfilled. So the traditional Christians would be right. There was no apostasy, and no need for a restoration. But if the 'Great Tribulation' theory is false, then the scriptures clearly teach that there was a Great Apostasy, lasting 1260 years, which ended in the year 1830. |
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3 | Pre-Tribulation Rapture | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94719 | ||
Tribulation Trash Part 2 So: is there to be a 'Great Tribulation' lasting seven years (or three and a half years, 1260 days) immediately before Jesus returns? The 'Great Tribulation' – True or False? The Problem for Protestants: The term 'Great Tribulation' is used by Protestants to refer to a period that ends when Christ comes again (it ends when He appears in Jerusalem to put an end to the battle of Armageddon). But here we have a problem. The 'Great Tribulation' is a certain fixed period – e.g. seven years. Since the Great Trib is so much worse than anything that has gone before, and so distinct that we can measure its length precisely, any informed Christian should be able to spot when it begins. Then, since it has a fixed length, the informed Christian would be able to predict the date of its end, and thus predict the date of the Second Coming. Yet Jesus told us (Matthew 24:36) that no-one will know this time. So the 'Great Tribulation' cannot end at the Second Coming, as Protestants teach, because it would allow us to know something even Jesus did not know – the date of the Second Coming. The Solution? A Pre-trib Rapture: BUT WAIT! There is a way round this problem. Evangelical Protestants now teach that we cannot predict the date of the Second Coming, because all faithful Christians will be raptured into heaven BEFORE the 'Great Tribulation.' This is known as the 'Pre-Trib Rapture.' (Actually, this does not solve the problem, because many of the lukewarm Christians who are not raptured will nevertheless know about the prophecies, and they will then be able to predict the Second Coming. But let us look at the scriptures anyway.) Is the Pre-trib Rapture Biblical? What do we know about the rapture? 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is the key text: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." So: what can we expect at the rapture? Jesus comes in the clouds There is the sound of a trumpet Jesus descends from heaven Everyone knows about it (if a trumpet sounds and all the faithful Christians rise into the air and disappear, someone is going to notice! – see also Revelation 1:7, "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him." ) The elect are gathered through the air. There is only one other place in the Bible that we read of this event in such detail: in Matthew chapter 24 (and in its parallel passages in Mark and Luke). Matthew 24:30-31 states: "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Once again we have all the elements: Jesus comes in the clouds There is the sound of a trumpet Jesus descends from heaven Everyone knows about it. The elect are gathered through the air. (Some would argue that "four winds" does not mean the air, but if you look at every other time the word "wind" – "anemosis" – is used in the New Testament, it always refers to wind in the sense of air.) Why go to the trouble of showing that these passages refer to the same event? Because it destroys the whole pre-trib rapture theory. The previous verses in Matthew make it clear that the rapture happens AFTER all the events that Protestants lump together as 'The Great Tribulation.' Matthew 24:29-31 states: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." |
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4 | Pre-Tribulation Rapture | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94720 | ||
Trib Trash Part 3 It is worth quoting the key verses in several Bible translations, to drive home the point: Matthew 24:29 is the Link Between the Tribulation and the Rapture: King James: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." New King James: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." American Standard: "But immediately after the tribulation of those days..." Living Bible: "Immediately after the persecution of those days..." New International: "Immediately after the distress of those days..." Revised Standard: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." Simple English: "Soon after the trouble of those times..." Mark 13:24 Contains the Same Teaching: King James: "But in those days, after that tribulation..." New King James: "But in those days, after that tribulation..." American Standard: "But in those days, after that tribulation..." Living Bible: "After the tribulation ends..." New International: "But in those days, following that distress..." Revised Standard: "But in those days, after that tribulation..." Simple English: "After the trouble of those times..." So, the rapture and Second Coming come AFTER the tribulation. The pre-trib rapture theory is therefore false, or on very shaky ground indeed. The alternatives – the 'mid-trib' and 'post trib' raptures – contradict the "no-one knows the day or the hour" statement. Conclusion: none of the Protestant 'Great Tribulation' theories are biblical. The 'Great Tribulation' scriptures actually refer to the Great Apostasy, when the Christian church was "in the hand of" the little horn for 1260 years.This ended in 1830 |
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5 | Where is a 1,260 year apostasy taught? | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94755 | ||
Dare we apply the same to professed protestants "in good standing" with their church. Using quotes to mormon bash doesnt prove any thing.. Heres an anti jewish quote from Billy Graham(I'm sure he's in good standing)... "the Jewish stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain" and went on, "A lot of the Jews are great friends of mine, they swarm around me and are friendly to me because they know that I'm friendly with Israel. But they don't know how I really feel about what they are doing to this country. And I have no power, no way to handle them, but I would stand up if under proper circumstances." |
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6 | Where is a 1,260 year apostasy taught? | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94761 | ||
Amen |
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7 | Where is a 1,260 year apostasy taught? | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94766 | ||
Considering that the bible is incomplete than Yes a restoration was needed: 17 BOOKS OF HOLY SCRIPTURE MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE, BUT WHICH WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MODERN BIBLE (AS WAS COMPILED BY THE EMPOROR CONSTANTINE AND HIS APPOINTED POLITICAL "PRIESTS"): - Book of the Covenant: (Exodus 24:7) - Book of the Wars of the Lord: (Numbers 21:14) - Book of Jasher: (Joshua 10:13) - Book of the Acts of Solomon: (1st Kings 11:41) - Book of Nathan, AND Book of Gad: (1st Chronicles 29:29) - Prophecy of Ahijah AND Visions of Iddo: (2nd Chronicles 9:29) - Book of Shemaiah: (2nd Chronicles 12:15) - Book of Jehu: (2nd Chronicles 20:34) - Acts of Uzziah, (Written by Isaiah): (2nd Chronicles 26:22) - Sayings of the Seers: (2nd Chronicles 33:19) - An Earlier Epistle of Paul, To The Corinthians: (1st Corinthians 5:9) - An Earlier Epistle of Paul, To The Ephesians: (Ephesians 3:3-5) - The Epistle of Paul, From Laodicea, To The Colossians: (Colossians 4:16) - A Former Epistle of Jude: (Jude 3) - Enoch's Ancient Prophecies of the Coming of Christ: (Jude 14) |
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8 | Source? | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94769 | ||
Just do a search.. it was widely reported on cnn, abc, cbs, and numerous other sources. | ||||||
9 | Where is a 1,260 year apostasy taught? | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94770 | ||
Scripture hunt part 1 WE LIVED BEFORE, AS SPIRIT-CHILDREN OF HEAVENLY FATHER, FORESAW OUR EARTHLY LIFE: (Jeremiah 1:5) (John 3:13) (Job 38:4-7) JESUS PREACHED TO THE DEAD WHILE AWAITING HIS RESURRECTION, to the spirits of those who had died without having heard the Gospel, or had not heard the full and true Gospel (1st Peter 3:18-20 AND 4:6) THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH PERFORMED PROXY BAPTISMS FOR THE DEAD, who had died without hearing the Gospel; since baptism is a physical ordinance which must be performed on earth:) (1st Corinthians 15:29) JESUS HAD "OTHER SHEEP" TO SEE, NOT IN ISRAEL (And all the peoples and tribes of the Western Hemisphere passed on stories of Christ's ministry among them after His Resurrection): (John 10:16) TWO SCRIPTURES WOULD BE KEPT, CALLED "STICKS" (MEANING SCROLLS, OR SCRIPTURE ROLL-UP STICKS...) ONE FOR THE HOUSE OF JUDAH, (The Holy Bible,) AND ONE FOR THE SCATTERED SEED OF JOSEPH, (Recorded in the Book of Mormon, a sacred record of a remnant of Israel led by a prophet to the Western Hemisphere): (Ezekiel 37:15-28) "DON'T ADD TO THIS BOOK"(Rev.22:18) MEANS DON'T ADD TO THE BOOK OF REVELATION! IT DOES NOT MEAN THERE ARE NO MORE SCRIPTURES! THE EMPOROR CONSTANTINE "APPROVED" A COMPILATION OF BOOKS OF SCRIPTURE, CENTURIES AFTER THEY WERE WRITTEN, (AND HE HAD NO PRIESTHOOD AUTHORITY. HE WAS A NOTORIOUS MURDERER AND A SUN WORSHIPER!) MANY BOOKS WERE INTENTIONALLY LEFT OUT OF THIS BIBLE, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHICH DID NOT CONFORM TO POLITICAL VIEWS OF HIS TIME. (NOTE: "DON'T ADD TO THIS BOOK" ALSO APPEARS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, which led many of the orthodox not to accept books after Deuteronomy!): (Deuteronomy 4:2) ALSO: THE BIBLE MENTIONS 17 BOOKS OF SCRIPTURE, WHICH WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MODERN BIBLE, (WHICH IS ONLY A COLLECTION, OR PORTABLE LIBRARY, OF BOOKS OF SCRIPTURE WRITTEN CENTURIES APART!) (A list of these missing books appears at the end of this page) YOU ARE A CHILD OF GOD: (Romans 8:16-17) (Psalms 82:6) (Acts 17:24-29) VARIOUS DEGREES OF GLORY IN THE RESURRECTION: (1st Corinthians 15:40-42) (2nd Corinthians 12:2-4) NEW NATIONS TO COME FORTH FROM THE SEED OF JOSEPH... (American natives, Polynesians, etc., lately confirmed by anthropologists and archeologists, but already confirmed by God's Word and Spirit!): (Genesis 48:15-19 and 49:22-26) SAVED BY GRACE... BUT NOT EXALTED TO OUR HIGHEST POTENTIAL WITHOUT MANIFESTING GOOD WORKS: (Romans 6:1-2 PLUS 14-18) NO PAID MINISTRY! (1st Peter 5:2) (1st Corinthians 9:18) HUSBAND and WIFE: MUTUAL HONOR: (Ephesians 5:21-25) (1st Corinthians 7:3) GOD AND JESUS ARE DISTINCT - (Separate Personages, but One in Spirit): (Acts 7:55-56) (John 20:17) THE TRUE CHURCH WAS TO BE TAKEN FROM THE EARTH, (and it was,) BUT TO BE RESTORED, IN A LAND OF GENTILES, BEFORE CHRIST RETURNS, (and it was!) THE LAST REMNANT OF THE EARLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH, WHICH WAS KILLED OFF OR CORRUPTED, WAS RADICALLY ALTERED AND PASSED ON BY TYRANTS WHO CONTINUED TO CALL IT THE TRUE CHURCH. BUT JESUS AND THE WRITERS OF THE BIBLE FORWARNED US DIFFERENTLY! ... - True Ordinances Corrupted: (Hebrews 13:9) (Isaiah 24:5) Jerimiah 2:13) - Gospel Corrupted Into Fables: (2nd Timothy 4:3-4) - Famine Of The Word... (Church and revelation to be taken from the earth): (Amos 8:11-12) - The Gospel Corrupted Into Business: (2nd Peter 2:1-3) - An Apostasy (Or falling away of the True Church) would come, before a restoration of the Church: (2nd Thessalonians 2:1-4) - People teach own ways, ignoring true doctrine: (Mark 7:6) |
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10 | Where is a 1,260 year apostasy taught? | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94771 | ||
Scrpiture Hunt part 2 - The True Church will be a restored Church, (and was restored by Heavenly messengers in 1829!): (Acts 3:19-24) - Apostasy was already happening in New Testament times: (Revelation 2:4-5 AND 14-20) (1st Corinthians 1:11-13) - An angel will announce the Restoration of the Church to the world, in latter days: (Revelation 14:6-7) - His Church has His Name: (Church of Jesus Christ!): (Isaiah 43:6-7) (Acts 4:10-12) - Members are called Saints: (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!): (1st Corinthians 1:1-2) - There is only ONE true, authorized Church: (Ephesians 4:5) - The True Church has a Prophet, and God does NOTHING so far as Church doctrine or establishment or Church-wide administrative decree, except through His Prophet: (Amos 3:7) - The True Church has living Apostles: (Ephesians 4:11-12) - The True Church has ongoing revelation: (1st Thessalonians 5:19-21) (Ephesians 1:17-18) - The True Church has a lay (non-professional) clergy: (Matthew 10:8) (Ephesians 4:11-14) - True ministers can only be called by God's Prophet, within the True Church, in order to have any real priesthood authority to speak or act for God or Christ! : (Hebrews 5:4-5) - Paul would re-baptize people he met, if he learned that they had been baptized by someone without the true priesthood, (which must be passed on by those in authority, by the laying on of hands): (Acts 19:2-5) THE DANGER OF PEOPLE CLAIMING PRIESTHOOD AUTHORITY, WHEN THEY HAVE NONE: (Acts 19:13-20) ETERNAL FAMILIES: (1st Corinthians 11:11) (Mark 10:9) (Genesis 25:8) WHOLE FAMILY IN HEAVEN: (Ephesians 3:14-15) THERE ARE "GODS MANY, BUT ONLY ONE GOD FOR THIS WORLD" : (Psalms 82:6) (1st Corinthians 8:5-7) (Deuteronomy 10:17) HEAVENLY PARENTAGE... (Made in "Their" Image!) : (Genesis 1:26) THE CHURCH WILL EXPERIENCE AT LEAST SOME (if not all) OF THE TRIBULATION! PREPARE NOW, TO BE SHIELDED BY RIGHTEOUSNESS, (As "The righteous need not fear...") DO NOT BE MISLED BY WELL-INTENTIONED PROCLAIMERS OF "THE RAPTURE," WHEREIN THEY CLAIM THE BELIEVERS WILL BE LIFTED OUT OF THE WORLD ENTIRELY BEFORE THE TRIBULATION! (Matthew 24:1-26) THERE WILL BE TWO HOLY CITIES OF GOD ON EARTH: (Isaiah 64:10) (Also Isaiah 4:2-4 and 2:2-3) THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-Day SAINTS (nicknamed The Mormons, after one of Christ's prophets who wrote part of the Book of Mormon,) IS THE TRUE AND AUTHORIZED CHURCH OF JESUS. IT WAS RESTORED AS HE SAID IT WOULD BE, IN LATTER DAYS, TO A LAND OF GENTILES, WITH VISITATIONS BY CHRIST, RESURRECTED APOSTLES, AND ANGELS WHO CONFERRED THE PRIESTHOOD KEYS UPON A CHOICE YOUNG MAN NAMED JOSEPH SMITH IN NY STATE, (1820's.) THE CHURCH IS CONDUCTED WITH ONGOING REVELATION AND PROPHECY. THOSE WHO LIVE ITS PRECEPTS ENJOY A RIGHTEOUS AND FULFILLED LIFE. MANY PLAIN AND PRECIOUS TRUTHS, PREVIOUSLY CORUPTED OR HIDDEN AWAY BY FALSE CHURCHES AND TYRANTS, HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO US AGAIN! 17 BOOKS OF HOLY SCRIPTURE MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE, BUT WHICH WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MODERN BIBLE (AS WAS COMPILED BY THE EMPOROR CONSTANTINE AND HIS APPOINTED POLITICAL "PRIESTS"): - Book of the Covenant: (Exodus 24:7) - Book of the Wars of the Lord: (Numbers 21:14) - Book of Jasher: (Joshua 10:13) - Book of the Acts of Solomon: (1st Kings 11:41) - Book of Nathan, AND Book of Gad: (1st Chronicles 29:29) - Prophecy of Ahijah AND Visions of Iddo: (2nd Chronicles 9:29) - Book of Shemaiah: (2nd Chronicles 12:15) - Book of Jehu: (2nd Chronicles 20:34) - Acts of Uzziah, (Written by Isaiah): (2nd Chronicles 26:22) - Sayings of the Seers: (2nd Chronicles 33:19) - An Earlier Epistle of Paul, To The Corinthians: (1st Corinthians 5:9) - An Earlier Epistle of Paul, To The Ephesians: (Ephesians 3:3-5) - The Epistle of Paul, From Laodicea, To The Colossians: (Colossians 4:16) - A Former Epistle of Jude: (Jude 3) - Enoch's Ancient Prophecies of the Coming of Christ: (Jude 14) |
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11 | Source? | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94774 | ||
i tried to post links but this forum will not accept certain characters. | ||||||
12 | Source? | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94777 | ||
Look dude Its not my fault that you havent crawled out of your tribulation shelter in awhile. But anybody who watches world affairs knows that quote to be fact. | ||||||
13 | Where is a 1,260 year apostasy taught? | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94793 | ||
No I am not a Mormon | ||||||
14 | Source? | NT general Archive 1 | gbennett76 | 94794 | ||
http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASUS_12/4048_12.asp | ||||||
15 | Did Adam and Eve go to heaven? | Gen 2:1 | gbennett76 | 93805 | ||
They could multiply before disobeying however once Eve partook Adam was faced with an obvious choice. Or are we to believe that God would let adam remarry.. LOL | ||||||
16 | Did Adam and Eve go to heaven? | Gen 2:1 | gbennett76 | 93822 | ||
I have already this question. Adam chose to transgress not sin.. so that Eve would not be seperated from him.. if she had been seperated than the command to multiply could not be fullfilled. It is as simple as 2 minus 1 equals 1.. lonely 1 | ||||||
17 | whose branches run over the wall | Gen 49:22 | gbennett76 | 95432 | ||
Read Genesis 49 and Deuteronomy 33. This is where great blessings were promised to the twelve tribes of Israel. Count the blessings. Or just count the words used! Whichever way you look at it, Joseph had the biggest inheritance. Genesis 49:22 "Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; who's branches run over the wall ..." Genesis 49:26 "The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be one." Where are these promises fulfilled? They are not fulfilled in Bible lands. They couldn't be! Joseph's inheritance was to be bigger than all the other tribes combined. The promises were fulfilled by branches of his family that travelled "over the wall of the well", across the seas to the land of the everlasting hills. The Book of Mormon records the fulfilment of these promises. Deuteronomy 33:17 "His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh." These are not promises that can be forgotten or ignored. They were not fulfilled in Bible times. They are being fulfilled now as the Book of Mormon, the record of Ephraim, is bringing millions of people to Christ. The Book of Mormon - the record of Ephraim - is one of the great signs of the gathering of Israel. Ezekiel 37:16-17 "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions: And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand." |
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18 | What are urim and thummim? | Ex 28:30 | gbennett76 | 95362 | ||
Heb. term that means Lights and Perfections. An instrument prepared of God to assist man in obtaining revelation from the Lord and in translating languages. See Ex. 28: 30; Lev. 8: 8; Num. 27: 21; Deut. 33: 8; 1 Sam. 28: 6; Ezra 2: 63; Neh. 7: 65; Using a Urim and Thummim is the special prerogative of a seer, and it would seem reasonable that such instruments were used from the time of Adam. There is more than one Urim and Thummim, but we are informed that Joseph Smith had the one used by the brother of Jared (Ether 3: 22-28; DC 10: 1; DC 17: 1). A partial description is given in JSH 1: 35. Joseph Smith used it in translating the Book of Mormon and in obtaining other revelations.This earth in its celestial condition will be a Urim and Thummim, and many within that kingdom will have an additional Urim and Thummim : Revelation 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it." |
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19 | ye are gods part 1 | Ps 82:6 | gbennett76 | 93446 | ||
Psalm 82: A Translation Part 1 I 1 [1] God stands up 2 In the Assembly of El 3 In the midst of the gods he judges II 1 [2] How long will you rule unjustly? 2 And honor the wicked? 3 [3] Judge the lowly and fatherless! 4 Do justice for the needy and the poor! 5 [4] Rescue the lowly and oppressed! 6 From the hand of the wicked! III 1 [5] They do not know 2 And they do not understand; 3 In darkness they wander around; 4 All the foundations of the earth totter! IV 1 [6] I, I say: 2 You (are) gods 3 And sons of the Highest (are) all of you, 4 [7] Nevertheless, you will die like a man 5 And like one of the leaders you will fall! V 1 [8] Arise God! 2 Rule the earth! 3 For you possess 4 All the nations! The Psalm above has been divided into a poetic makeup as follows: A B C B' A' Section I Section II Section III Section IV Section V Assembly / God rises-spt (judges) Address / gods confronted Address / chaos described Address / gods confronted Assembly / God rises-spt (rules) God stands up: Or, alternatively, God arises. The Hebrew used here for God is elohim In the assembly of El: There are three general uses of the term El in the Bible and related literature. The first is that it is often used to mean God. The second is that it can refer to the name of the Canaanite deity, El, who was head of the Syro-Palestinian pantheon. Or, alternatively, it might represent a common phrase meaning 'divine' particularly when used in the combination here "divine assembly". The usage is completely ambiguous. There is no difference in usage between one meaning and the other. It is perhaps intentional that this range of meanings suits both the initial use of elohim as God and the later use of elohim as divinities at the end of this section. |
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20 | ye are gods part 2 | Ps 82:6 | gbennett76 | 93447 | ||
ye are gods part 2 In the midst of the gods he judges: Here, elohim can only be plural. It would be nonsensical to have God (elohim) standing in the assembly of God (El) judging among the singular God (elohim). The word judges (spt) can also mean more generally to rule. It is repeated with this meaning in mind in verse 8 at the end of the Psalm. Here, God arises to judge those in the assembly. There, God arises to rule those in the assembly. In the midst of the gods he judges: Here, elohim can only be plural. It would be nonsensical to have God (elohim) standing in the assembly of God (El) judging among the singular God (elohim). The word judges (spt) can also mean more generally to rule. It is repeated with this meaning in mind in verse 8 at the end of the Psalm. Here, God arises to judge those in the assembly. There, God arises to rule those in the assembly. Section II How long will you rule unjustly? And honor the wicked?: In this phrase, the word rule (spt) is used, when God addresses the gods. The same Hebrew word is used differently in each context in which it occurs. God (elohim) judges (spt) the gods (elohim) who rule (spt). Later in the Psalm, the meanings will be reversed. The gods (elohim) did not judge (spt) so God (elohim) will rule (spt). God is asking why these gods support the wicked. Judge the lowly and fatherless! Do justice for the needy and the poor! Rescue the lowly and oppressed! From the hand of the wicked!: Here God demands that these gods execute righteous judgment. The gods should judge (spt) the lowly and fatherless. Section III They do not know And they do not understand; In darkness they wander around; All the foundations of the earth totter!: This is the center of the Psalm. The 'they' refers to the gods (elohim). Their rule has brought chaos. The phrasing is meant to show this. They do not know. They do not understand. They walk in darkness. The earth (eretz) is shaken from its foundation. This is exactly the end result that the divine rulers are supposed to prevent. The earth was created from chaos, and now these beings are returning it to a chaotic state. And it was specifically because of the actions of these elohim that the foundations of the earth are moved. Section IV I, I say: You (are) gods And sons of the Highest (are) all of you,: Here the gods (elohim) are defined in terms of a singular deity (elyon) the Most High. It is also a statement that they are placed in their position by God-who acts as a supreme authority. The Cultural Framework Early Israelite theology pictured a heaven filled with divine beings, and ordered in a hierarchy. God stood at the top of this hierarchy. This host of divine beings has become collectively identified as the divine council.9 There are several instances of the divine council recognized in the Old Testament.10 The members of this divine council are called divinities (elohim), sons of God (bene elohim or bene elim), sons of the Most High (bene Elyon) and in the Greek, divine beings (huioi theoi) and angels of the divine (angeloi theoi). While a complete survey of these passages and their meaning is beyond the scope of this paper, three particular passages in Deuteronomy are worth mentioning: Deuteronomy 4:19-20; 10:17-18; 32:7-8, 34. All three of these bear a special relationship to Psalm 82. Deuteronomy 4:19-20 reads as follows: in Deuteronomy 32:7-8 we read: Remember the days of old, Consider the years of ages past; Ask your father, he will inform you, Your elders, they will tell you: When the Most High allotted the nations, And set the divisions of man, He fixed the boundaries [or territories] of peoples Equal to the number of divine beings." This means that when God was allotting nations to the divine beings, he made the same number of nations and territories as there were such beings. Verse 9 implies that He then assigned the other nations to those divine beings, and states explicitly that He kept Israel for Himself. This seems to be part of a concept hinted at elsewhere in the Bible and in postbiblical literature. When God organized the government of the world, He established two tiers: at the top, He Himself, "God of gods (elohei ha-elohim) and Lord of lords" (10:17), who reserved Israel for Himself, to govern personally; below Him, seventy angelic "divine beings" (benei elohim), to whom He allotted the other peoples. The conception is like that of a king or emperor governing the capital or heartland of his realm personally and assigning the provinces to subordinates. |
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