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1 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212236 | ||
Jeff - okay, I read the entire chapter Luke 12, and I don't find the theme to be charitable giving. In fact what I read is a teaching that we are not to worry about the future. Do not fear those who kill the body, but fear God who has the power to throw you into hell. Not the birds of the air does God forget, how much more will He care for His children. Jesus gives a parable of a rich man who plans well for retirement and stores up things for himself but is not rich with God. Then Jesus says in verse 22, do not worry about your life, what you eat, or about your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. Consider the ravens, they do not sow or reap yet God feeds them. How much more valuable we are than birds. Jesus says consider how the lilies grow, they do not labor or spin, yet God keeps them clothed, how much more will He clothe you. O you of little faith. Jesus says do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink, do not worry about it, your Father knows that you need them. In verses 33-34, (NIV) "Sell your possessions and give to the poor..." In your words Jeff "Jesus is not saying sell all of your possessions, leaving yourself without means of living and giving it all away." Quite the contrary, Jesus is saying DO NOT WORRY about anything. Sell what you have and give alms, DO NO WORRY is the message. The context of the surrounding verses is Do Not Worry!. I don't understand how you arrived at "charitable giving." I have read chapter 12 over and over and there is nothing pertaining to charitable giving. Help! |
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2 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212250 | ||
Jeff - When you speak of "charitable giving" the impression given is donating old clothes, putting money in the Salvation Army kettle, delivering a box of can foods to the Food Bank, giving a few hundred dollars to a church program for the homeless or making a contribution of several thousand dollars to a local charity. Hardly a process of selling your possessions and giving to the poor. In your own words of you first answer, "The verse has to be considered in the context of the surrounding verses. Jesus is not saying sell all of your possessions, leaving yourself without means of living and giving it all away." Jeff, I am reading it as quite the opposite. Jesus is saying "Sell your possesions and give to the poor" for just as the birds, lilies of the field and the ravens are well looked after by God, God will look after us. We have no need to worry, we have no need for possesions. Jesus said do not be like the rich man who prepared for a good retirement but was not rich with God. Lay not your treasures on earth but in heaven, for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. If you are keeping treasures here on earth, then your heart is there and not in heaven. Jeff, I want to follow my Lord the correct way and if it requires me to sell my possesions and give to the poor, then I must obey. flyman |
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3 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212263 | ||
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4 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212266 | ||
WOS In your personal profile you say you choose to be a disciple of Christ. With all due respect, how do you reconcile, "without compromise or rationalization," Luke 14:33, "...whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple."? You have a loving family with three children. With all due respect, How do you reconcile "without Rationalization or Compromise" Luke 14:26, where Jesus says you must hate your father, mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters in order to be His disciple? These are very valid questions, my friend, I would like to know how you do it. With all due respect, flyman |
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5 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212267 | ||
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6 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212274 | ||
Dear WOS, Are not the questions I ask important? I am not promoting anything on my behalf. The words are from God through Jesus, John 14:24. I know they sound extreme, sell all that you own and hate your family members in order to be a disciple of Christ, but I am not the one who said those words. Why aren't you trying to explain the difficulties instead of deleting my questions and comments? We all need to know why these commands were given and why we are not bound by them. I'm sorry you feel the need to delete my posts, but I am not promoting anything except the expressed written word of God. I beg you to show me what I quoted are not God's own words through Jesus His son. flyman |
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7 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212275 | ||
Thanks Hank, How can anyone be helped when my questions and comments are deleted? Flyman |
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8 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212277 | ||
Cheri, But Cheri, Jesus promised in Mark 10:29-30, if you give up everything you have for His sake and the gospel's, you will receive 100 times more than what you once had now in this time. The Gospels are at the beginning of the NT. God is speaking to us through Jesus, John 14:24, "He who does not love Me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." I don't understand how I am supposed to ignore what Jesus taught and accept Paul's words instead. Jesus is the Son of God who came before Paul. Shouldn't we trust Jesus more so than Paul? flyman |
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9 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212279 | ||
Dear WOS, Would you please restore my posts of 3:11pm and 4:28pm? There must be someone who is not afraid of tackling them head on. flyman |
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10 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212281 | ||
Searcher, I know everyone is ganging up on me but saying context, context and then context is not the way to help. Context, context and context is exactly what I am doing. Why can't you believe me when I say I am not inventing anything? I study all the surrounding verses of every passage and I find there can be no other meaning other than what is obvious. I am truly sorry you feel you are wasting your time. flyman |
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11 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212282 | ||
AZ, I did but it got deleted. I assure you, I did not post anything rude or offensive. I merely laid out all the words of God as spoken through Jesus, but WOS removed my answer. flyman |
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12 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212286 | ||
WOS, My humble apologies. You are correct, I was wrong to assume that it was you. I made a quick judgment and am very sorry. I am really not sure who deleted them and to accuse you is very wrong. I hope you can forgive me. Thank you, flyman |
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13 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212288 | ||
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14 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212292 | ||
Dear John, Here is my answer that got deleted. Once again I am not making these up. These statements are real. It seems that simply because the teachings of Jesus would be inconvenient and uncomfortable to accept as plainly spoken, a host of rationalizations pop up making God's directive less demanding and oppressive. For me, I don't want to stand before God on judgement day and have to explain why I didn't do as He commanded. Everything is as plain as can be. Here is what comes directly from the mouth of Jesus: Matt 10:38 - Jesus said, "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me." Matt 19:21, - Jesus said that in order to inherit eternal life, be perfect, sell everything you have, give to the poor then follow him. Mark 10:17-21 - Jesus said to inherit eternal life, sell whatever you have, give to the poor, you will have treasure in heaven and go follow him. Mark 10:29-30 - Jesus promises that anyone who gives up everything he owns for the sake of the gospel will receive a hundred times more than what he gave up, now in this time and in the world to come. Matt 6:25-34 - Jesus said, do not plan or prepare because God will provide. This passage falls well into the theme and context of what Jesus is commanding about selling your possessions. Since God will provide, there is no need to worry. Be perfect and commit. Luke 12:32-33 - Jesus said do not be afraid, sell your possessions and give to the poor, store your treasures in heaven that your heart be there as well. Luke 18:22 - "Sell everything you have and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come follow Me." Luke 14:26 - To be a disciple of Christ you must hate your family, even your own life. Luke14:27 - "And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:33 - He said whoever does not give up all that he owns cannot be his disciple. The obvious meaning is clear. In order to be worthy of Christ, we must take up our cross and follow Him. In order to follow Him we must become His disciple. In order to become His disciple we must hate family, our own life and give up everything we own. The rich young man followed the commandments of God from childhood but lacked one thing in order to make it to heaven, He still needed to sell all that he had, given to the poor and then followed Jesus. It is illogical, irrational and impossible to believe that Jesus was only speaking to that one man. Again Luke 14:33, NKJ, "So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be my disciple." In conclusion, John 8:51, Jesus said that if a man believes his message, he shall never see death. John 14:24, "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent me." I know these words are difficult but they are from God. flyman |
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15 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212305 | ||
Wow John, Such loving words. If you would have taken notice there were two deletions, one at 3:11 and the other at 4:28. Maybe that is why you can't really see what God is saying through His Son Jesus. Maybe you're the one that needs to grow up and stop denying the truth, Okay? flyman |
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16 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212332 | ||
Dear Kcabml4, I am sorry I didn't specifically answer your post as dear sweet John has accused me of baring false witness. I thought I had addressed your post but it appears I was confused as a couple of my posts were deleted. I am sorry for the confusion, I meant no disrespect. I will now try to answer you. It appears that a lot of people on this forum are annoyed with me. I don't know why except that I have touched a nerve of some sort. Obviously they are not used to someone challenging their intellect. The truth of the matter is I am taking a literal interpretaion of the words of Jesus and the forum is angered by it. If someone could only prove that Jesus did not intend His words to be interpreted literally the problem would disappear. But no one can. Jesus does not qualify any of His words as being figurative, tropological or metaphorical. In the absence of such qualification what authority does anyone have to say otherwise. What credential has anyone to say Jesus did not mean what He said? You say that I am not a good stewart over the things I have been given by others and I have been wasting everyone's time. How can you be serious when many of the forum members in answering other questions have admitted that after many years of bible study they are still learning? Why all of a sudden when difficult and uncomfortable questions are asked, everyone expects me to accept their explanations as final? If we are all still learning what is my error in asking more? Why should anyone be angered or annoyed at a continuation of bible study? The answers and comments I have gotten have come from the very people who have admitted in their profiles that they are still learning God's word. When a forum answer is given am I suppose to accept it as final and not ask more questions nor make anymore coments? So far, there hasn't been anyone to answer the difficulties. You said the 10 quotations I use are the same quotations by different authors in the different Gospels. Is there a problem with that? Doesn't that prove the context, the commands, the message even more so? When all the Gospel authors reveal the same teachings of Jesus, it emphatically drives home the point, does it not? You gave me some quotes from Corinthians, Hebrews and Peter but you said nothing as to how they cancel what Jesus has said. I read those passages and have no idea what your point is. The question remains, how do we discount and disregard the words of Jesus? flyman |
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17 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212335 | ||
Hello my brother in Christ, I am very sorry I errored. There were so many answers and notes going out that I lost track of who got responded to and who didn't. I assure you I did not mean any disrespect. I do admit that I am a bit taken by your assertion that I am a liar and promulgating lies. I don't understand why you are so upset with my literal interpretations of Jesus. If you are saying that not all of Jesus' teachings are to be taken literally and are sure of it, what's the problem, just lay out your evidence. Until you do, what right do we have to contradict Jesus? flyman Even though we have not met you are my brother in Christ and I do love you |
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18 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212351 | ||
Hello Kcabm14, God bless you too! Unfortunately your argument doesn't work because there is a built-in qualification that gives everyone an out with this particular message. IF thy hand, IF thy eye, IF the foot... There isn't anyone with a brain who will admit his eye, his foot or his hand was responsible for an offense. With regards to the passages I quoted, there is no built-in "wiggle out" word. Jesus is clear, "He who does not love Me does not keep My words;..." John 14:24. Jesus said do not be afraid, sell your possessions and give to the poor, store your treasure in heaven that your heart be there as well, Luke 12:32-33. "And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:27 "So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:33 Kcabm14, I know these are difficult passages but we can't just pretend they don't exist can we? flyman |
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19 | OT/NT | OT general | flyman172 | 212213 | ||
Dear Cheri, Somewhat along the lines of "I and my Father are one..." why do you think Jesus said the words, "why callest me thou good, there is none good but our Father in heaven?" Do you think the Jewish people rejected Jesus because he admitted that he is not good? flyman |
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20 | Speaking in Parables | Luke 8:10 | flyman172 | 212178 | ||
Hello to you Kcabm14, I have now received many answers and I will try to summarize. For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Even though God wants everyone to be saved, it will not happen because not everyone will believe, therefore Jesus does not need to be clear, which is why He speaks in parables. As He says, if He didn't speak in parables people might understand, repent and then be forgiven. Since it is God's will that only a few will make it to heaven, there really is no need for Jesus to speak so that everyone can understand. All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for everyone, however some of it is only for the Deciples, the Jews, or the Gentlies. I do want to be saved to be with God in heaven but how can I be sure when on the outside I claim to understand, but on the inside I am still unsure of the meanings? flyman |
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