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1 | what does bible say about homosexuality | Lev 18:22 | electionresults | 109308 | ||
Leviticus 20:13 This was obviously directed at the majority heterosexual population. It would be just as unnatural for a homosexual to lie with the opposite sex as for a heterosexual to lie with the same sex. Gays are naturally attracted to same sex - that is how God created them. It would be detestable to force them into an unnatural act with a woman. You also have to look at the context of the passage. What you have to realize is these laws were designed to have priests distinguish themselves from the practices of the religions of the peoples around Israel in other parts of Canaan, especially those east of Jordan. These people were involved in the worship of Molech and Baal and other gods and goddesses. One of the common practices were for the heterosexual priests of Molech to dress up as women as part of their rituals and have sex with men who came to worship. Hence the prohibition of laying with men as with women - it was part of the religious worship, not with other men as in natural homosexuality. In the start of chapter 20 if you read verse 2 it says to "speak to the children of Israel." Christians are NOT the "children of Israel". Lev 20:13 is giving the penalties for the Lev 18:22 "abomination" or in the Hebrew "toevah". Unlike what the English translation implies, toevah did not usually signify something intrinsically evil, but something which is ritually unclean for Jews. Eating pork, shellfish, lobster, trimming beards, mixing fibers in clothing, and having sex during a women's menstrual period is just as much an "abomination". It is used throughout the OT to designate those Jewish sins which involve ethnic contamination or idolatry. In many other OT verses it simply means idolatry. Chapter 20 begins with a prohibition of sexual idolatry almost identical with this, and like 18, its manifest purpose is to elaborate a system of ritual "cleanliness" whereby the Jews will be distinguished from neighboring peoples. This was also the interpretation given by later Jewish commentaries such as those of Maimonides. The struggle over the issue of Christian and the Mosaic law was a serious area of confusion for the new converted Christians. Paul addresses this in Gal 5:1-2 urging Christians not to be "entangled again with the yoke of bondage" or to give "heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth," for "unto the pure all things are pure" (Titus I: 14-15). Jesus set aside the purity laws and gave the commandment of love. Almost no early Christian writers appealed to Leviticus as authority against homosexual acts. Those few that did, exercised extreme selectivity in selecting which Levitical laws to say are legitimate for Christians and which are not, whatever suited their personal prejudice. It was clearly not their respect for the law which created their hostility to homosexuality but their hostility to homosexuality which led them to retain a few passages from a law code largely discarded. The Leviticus reference to toevah has nothing to do with homosexuality: A further evidence of this is toevah is used throughout the OT to designate those Jewish sins which involve ethnic contamination or idolatry and very frequently occurs as part of the stock phrase "toevah ha-goyim" "the uncleanness of the Gentiles" (e.g., 2 (4) Kings 16:3). Another Hebrew word zimah could have been used - if that was what the authors intended. Zimah means, not what is objectionable for religious or cultural reasons, but what is wrong in itself. It means an injustice, a sin. For example, in condemnation of temple prostitutes involving idolatry, "toevah" is employed (e.g. 1 (3) Kings 14:24), while in prohibitions of prostitution in general a different word "zimah," appears (e.g. Lev. 19:29). Leviticus does not say that a man to lie with man is wrong or a sin. Rather, it is a ritual violation, an uncleanness ; it is something dirty ritualistically, just as was eating shellfish, mixing fibers etc. Lev 18 is to distinguish the Jews from the pagans among whom they had been living, or would live. The prohibition of supposedly homosexual acts follows immediately upon a prohibition of idolatrous sexuality (the female temple prostitutes worshipping the pagan fertility gods) (often mistranslated fornication but a obvious mistranslation in the proper context). |
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2 | what does bible say about homosexuality | Lev 18:22 | electionresults | 109309 | ||
This conclusion finds further support in the Septuagint where the toevah is translated with the Greek word bdelygma . Fully consistent with the Hebrew, the Greek bdelygma means a ritual impurity. Once again, other Greek words were available, like anomia , meaning a violation of law or a wrong or a sin. That word could have been used to translate toevah. In fact, in some cases anomia was used to translate toevah- when the offense in question was not just a ritual impurity but also a real wrong of an injustice, like offering child sacrifice or having sex with another man s wife, in violation of his property rights. The Greek translators could have used anomia; they used bdelygma. Evidently, the Jews of that pre-Christian era simply did not understand Leviticus to forbid male-male sex because it is wrong in itself. They understood Leviticus to forbid male-male sex because it offended ancient Jewish sensitivities: it was dirty and Canaanite-like, it was unjewish. And that is exactly how they translated the Hebrew text into Greek before Christ. It makes no statement about the morality of homosexual acts as such. In todays society similar unclean acts might include picking ones nose, burping or passing gas. In Hebrew times wearing polyester, or eating shellfish etc. would have been just as much an abomination as men laying with men. I think its not that useful to get all hung up on Lev cleanliness codes which made pork eating and mixing of fibers just as terrible sins. The NT is more significant for Christians following Christ instead of Jews trying to follow the OT rituals to be accepted by God. Jesus said not a word even mistranslated about homosexuality. In fact he praised as a great example of love the Centurian's love for his slaveboy, an obviously pederastrial relationship. |
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3 | Meditate of Instigate | Ps 1:2 | electionresults | 109345 | ||
Ps 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night. Ps 1:3 He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, Which yields its fruit in its season And its leaf does not wither; And in whatever he does, he prospers. Meditating is the missing factor in much of this forums posts and answers. The Kabbalah is the study of each letter of each verse of each book of the Torah. he mystic allows each letter to penetrate his being so that the law of God becomes the law of being. Let's look at meditation: Broader: think ,cogitate,cerebrate Narrower:premeditate,theologize,theologiseintrospect,bethink,cogitate,brood,worry,dwell,wonder,question,puzzle,study,consider Meaning: Think intently and at length, as for spiritual purposes. Synonyms: study,contemplate So do you meditate or instigate? Instigate: To stir up; foment I meditate because by my posts I show: reflection, study,questioning, and consideration of different views. The majority of this forum is opposed to meditation because they do not approve of: Questioning and consideration or Theologizing of any scripture. |
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4 | Homo Heaven | Is 56:7 | electionresults | 109346 | ||
Cross reference Matt. 19:12 Jesus was the first to recognize sexual outcasts as worthy of God's kingdom. This quote from Matthew is the closest biblical reference we have to our current understanding that homosexuality is a psychological identity, rather than just physical acts."For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb" mthis could only refer to homosexuality. Being born a eunuch means to be born without the pschological ability to be with a woman. to For Christ to have known this in biblical times is a testament to his inspired understanding. Jesus brought a new covenant with God, not only to the children of Israel but to all mankind. It is a covenant of loving your neighbor as yourself, and raising a joyful noise unto the Lord. The communities established by his disciples, who knew and quoted him, accepted all the outcasts of Israel and understood the Genesis account of sex as the gift of companionship as well as procreation. This fulfills the prophecy of the Messiah. In Isaiah 56: 2-8, the eunuch is predicted to inherit a special place in the house of the Lord and the sons of strangers are predicted to take hold of the Lord's covenant. Verse 7 predicts: "Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." |
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5 | Jesus ..Homosexual to inherit Heaven | Matt 19:12 | electionresults | 109312 | ||
Jesus was the first to recognize sexual outcasts as worthy of God's kingdom. This quote from Matthew is the closest biblical reference we have to our current understanding that homosexuality is a psychological identity, rather than just physical acts."For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb" mthis could only refer to homosexuality. Being born a eunuch means to be born without the pschological ability to be with a woman. to For Christ to have known this in biblical times is a testament to his inspired understanding. Jesus brought a new covenant with God, not only to the children of Israel but to all mankind. It is a covenant of loving your neighbor as yourself, and raising a joyful noise unto the Lord. The communities established by his disciples, who knew and quoted him, accepted all the outcasts of Israel and understood the Genesis account of sex as the gift of companionship as well as procreation. This fulfills the prophecy of the Messiah. In Isaiah 56: 2-8, the eunuch is predicted to inherit a special place in the house of the Lord and the sons of strangers are predicted to take hold of the Lord's covenant. Verse 7 predicts: "Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." |
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6 | Who will be saved? Few, Many or All? | Rom 3:23 | electionresults | 109205 | ||
Firstly as for last will and testaments. You must be thinking movie magic. In Probate Law you cannot make a person do anything to receive the gift. If a clause of that nature is placed in a will it becomes invalidated. You obviously do not know law. It is the same for Christ. The attempt to place requirements on salvation invalidates the eternal sacrifice of Christ. If Christs death was just a sacrifice for sin which still had strings attached, just any goat or lamb would have done. It is the elected grace associated with his death that makes his sacrifice eternal. | ||||||
7 | can i pay my tithes to my mother? | 2 Cor 9:7 | electionresults | 109207 | ||
Religion and Money..what a marriage! EdB said: "They give to because that is how God said the church would be supported. We give today not out of necessity of justification but out of love to God and Christ that breeds a desire to follow and obey God’s commandments." Sounds alot like Karl Marx: Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. IT IS THE OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions. According to Karl Marx, religion is one of those social institutions which are dependent upon the material and economic realities in a given society. It has no independent history but is instead the creature of productive forces. As Marx wrote, "The religious world is but the reflex of the real world." This, very simply stated, is Marx's contribution to the study and understanding of religion: religion can only be understood in relation to other social systems and the economic premises of the society in which it occurs. But Marx goes further and asserts that religion is only dependent upon economics, nothing else - so much so that the actual doctrines of the religions are almost irrelevant. Third, he sees religion as fundamentally hypocritical. Although it might profess valuable principles, it ends up siding with the economic oppressors. Jesus preached helping the poor, but the Christian Church merged with the oppressive Roman state, taking part in the literal enslavement of people for centuries. In the Middle Ages, the Catholic Church preached about heaven and spirit, but strove to acquire as much property and earthly power as possible. Martin Luther preached the ability of each individual to interpret the Bible, but ended up siding with the aristocratic rulers and against peasant revolutionaries who fought against economic and social oppression. According to Marx, this new form of Christianity, Protestantism, was a production of new economic forces as early capitalism developed. New economic realities required a new religious superstructure by which it could be justified and defended. |
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