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1 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | arrow1 | 113990 | ||
Peter spent 40 days with Jesus (acts chapter 1) learning about the Kingdom of God. Then in the very 1st sermon in scripture the first four words out of his mouth are "repent and be baptized". If you'll closely examine the conversions in Acts, what was there immediate response to the message?, then back up, what "must they have just been told in order to evoke that immediate response", you can go back to Peter's sermon each time for the answer. Obviously there were all told the same story, they all had the same response. Paul's teachings came much later in scripture. Most all of his letters are addressed to Christians that are already saved, thus in most cases he is not describing how to be saved(no need to) he is speaking of remaining faithful, or growing in their faith. Often times he is settling disputes that have arisen in the local church and trying to get them back on track. Thus mentioning baptism would often be redundant and serve no purpose. Paul himself, after meeting Jesus and fasting and praying 3 days, still was baptized to have his sins washed away. God did all the "work", Paul was simply responding to the Gospel. If you could simply view baptism as an act of faith, the same as believing and repenting are acts of faith, not works of the law, then you can take the rest the Bible literally. Instead, you come up with the phrase 'faith alone', (which is not in scripture) and say, "that is the doctrine, now let us go back and figure out a way to explain all those baptism scriptures that seem to contradict it". Why not just read the Bible, it says what it says in plain English, and simply accept. Added note.... Altar Calls, Sinners Prayer, Outward Sign of Inward Grace, these are concepts developed in just the last 200 years and were totally unknown before that time. Show me anyone, anywhere, who ever believed in those ideas during the 1st 1500 years of Christianity. I'll say thanks in advance for a careful and well thought out response. Sincerely, arrow1 |
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2 | MARK 16:16: Was it perverted? | Bible general Archive 2 | arrow1 | 113997 | ||
It also did not say "to them that had faith alone" or "to them that truly repented", or "to them that counted the cost". It all depends on the meaning of received him. Where does it say 'specifically' baptism is a "profession before man"? 1 Peter 3:21 says it is a pledge to God. sincerely, arrow1 |
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3 | 2nd ? Did Spirit save them? | Bible general Archive 2 | arrow1 | 115266 | ||
I didn't mean the "sole" purpose was to give the ability to speak in tongues, but definitely ushering in the new church and confirming God's word with power was a major part of it. As to Romans 8:7, Ananias and Sapphira were Christians and they were hostile to God, they lied to the Holy Spirit and God struck them dead. Simon,(Acts chapter 8) a Christian, tried to buy the Gift of the Spirit from Peter, and Peter said his heart was not right before God and that he was full of bitterness and captive to sin. That seems to point out two examples of Christians (someone who was saved and had the "indwelling of the Spirit"), and were hostile to God. arrow1 |
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4 | How many in upper room?? | Bible general Archive 2 | arrow1 | 115277 | ||
to Aspiring Overseer: I too am a Financial Advisor, send me an email sometime at tbolson76@hotmail.com thanks, arrow1 |
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5 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | arrow1 | 115083 | ||
you are mistaken, being baptized in water is exactly how you are making the pledge, and it is effective because of the resurrection of christ | ||||||
6 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | arrow1 | 114318 | ||
Why point out there is no mention of baptism in 1 Cor. 15:1-4, there is also no mention of faith, belief or repentance. But, it does say your saved if you hold firmly to the word. In almost all of Paul's letters, he is speaking to Christians, people that are already saved. It wouldn't make sense to repeat every little detail of their conversion every time he mentions the Gospel. It would make sense to speak of faith because once your saved, you would continue having faith and living faithfully. If repentance were necessary for salvation, wouldn't you also expect to find it stressed whenever the gospel is presented? Your "analogia scriptura" is selective and not consistent. sincerely, arrow1 |
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7 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | arrow1 | 115281 | ||
Colin, yes it is necessary. Acts 3:19, Acts 11:18, Luke 24:47, 2 Corinth. 7:10 |
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8 | Faith plus Baptism or Faith alone? | Matt 7:13 | arrow1 | 113735 | ||
you Must believe you Must repent and you Must have faith , by your own definition, those are all works | ||||||
9 | Faith plus Baptism or Faith alone? | Matt 7:13 | arrow1 | 113751 | ||
The biggest disagreement each view has seems to be is baptism a work. I don't believe it is ever called a work or a symbol or an outward sign in the Bible(correct me if I'm mistaken). Jesus did say "this is the work of God, to believe in the one He sent. That's interesting, calling belief(faith) a work. I think in Eph. 2:9 he is referring to works of the law. I've always viewed baptism as a spiritual act of faith whereby you receive something(grace) not a work whereby you try to earn something. | ||||||
10 | Faith plus Baptism or Faith alone? | Matt 7:13 | arrow1 | 113754 | ||
Someone offers me a check for 1mil, says it is free, no strings attatched. The check is buried in the back yard 3 feet under the apple tree. If I go dig it up, did I earn it or is it still a free gift. I submit it is still free. Someone gives me 1mil for my birthday, I didn't earn it, however, I had to meet the condition to receive it, namely it was my birthday. Same with baptism, I repent and get baptized as a response to the Gospel, God freely gives me salvation, I simply met the condition to receive it. I know we're beating a dead horse, but that's how I see it. I do appreciate this forum, it is interesting and most everyone seems to be thoughtful and cordial. Thanks, arrow1 |
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11 | Please answer the question directly. | John 3:5 | arrow1 | 113344 | ||
The early church fathers are infinitely more qualified to interpret scripture. They read and spoke in the original languages, and were taught by the apostles or taught by someone who knew the apostles or taught by people who were only one generation from the early church. | ||||||
12 | Hank, all I need is just one quote. | John 3:5 | arrow1 | 113397 | ||
Sorry Hank if I offended anyone by saying g**h. If we are saved by "faith alone'" is it safe to say repentence is not necessary. I noticed in Ephesians 2:8 repentance is not there, oh well, the phrase faith alone isn't there either. Sorry, that may have been a little harsh. Anyhow, back to my question, surely there was just one person during the first 400 years that said the sinners prayer. Please if I could have that one quote. | ||||||
13 | Hank, all I need is just one quote. | John 3:5 | arrow1 | 113400 | ||
You are wrong about the quote to the jailer. Read verse 32 - He spoke "the word of the Lord" to him and his household. That was the complete message of the Gospel, not simply to believe. And that is why he was baptized immediately, because he was told to, it was part of the message(Peter's sermon). Notice it was after his baptism that he was filled with joy, because they had come to believe, he and his whole house. As to Eph. 2:8, compare it to Gal. 5:26-27. Saved by Grace through Faith at Baptism. Baptism is God's work not man's. Baptism is no more a work than is belief or repentance. It is simply our response to the Gospel, our pledge of a good concience. And like faith and repentance it is a requirement. |
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14 | Hank, all I need is just one quote. | John 3:5 | arrow1 | 113437 | ||
My apology, first of all, I didn't mean you misquoted the passage, simply that in quoting verse 31 and leaving out verse 32, you leave out a considerable amount of what the jailer was told. As to Galatians, my BIG mistake, I meant chapter 3 verse 26-27, not 5:27, you're right it doesn't exist. Anyhow, now that I cleared that up, when the jailer asked what he must do, to simply say believe, well that's not the same thing as saying you are saved by grace thru faith alone, and obviously, verse 32 infers alot was added to that including the instruction to be baptized, otherwise how would he have known to do it. |
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15 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113455 | ||
Saul was instructed by the Lord to go to straight street where a man named Ananias would tell him "what he must do". Yes, saul spent 3 days and 3 nights fasting and praying. Then he met Annanias who put his hands on him and said receive your sight. Then Saul was told "what are you waiting for, be baptized and WASH YOUR SINS AWAY". If he was previously saved, why did he still need to have his sins washed away??? |
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16 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113456 | ||
How is it you so twist this verse. Clearly it is saying Baptism now saves you, (not the removal of dirt, because baptism is a spiritual act, not a physical act, refer to Col. 2:12 in baptism you are spiritually circumcised by Christ), And again it repeats "it saves you by the resurrection of Christ. | ||||||
17 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113482 | ||
I found it interesting you said Noah's faith and "obedience" saved him. I thought we were saved by faith alone. Anyhow, main point: Baptism isn't symbolic of the flood, the flood and what happened to Noah symbolizes baptism. It says they were "saved through water" and this water symblizes baptism "that now saves you also". What can be more clear when it says baptism now saves you? It goes on to explain that baptism is not a physical act(not the removal of dirt) because baptism is a spiritual act(Col. 2:12)you are spiritually circumcised by Christ during baptism. It(baptism) is a pledge to God. And it goes on to say it(baptism) saves you by the resurrection of Christ. Yes, without the resurrection you would be just getting wet. Of course baptism 'is' symbolic, death, burial, resurrection and going down under and coming up out the water a new creature in Christ. But it so clearly says "it" saves you and "it" is a pledge to God, and "it" is effective precisely because of the resurrection. Saved by Grace through Faith at Baptism, it's so simple. |
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18 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113745 | ||
You cannot say Saul was saved back on the road to Damascus during his encounter with Jesus, you said back on post 78221 that he was, even if we assume calling on the name is when he was saved, he was told to arise and have his sins washed away when he met Ananias, this happened much later. He was fasting and praying for 3 days, then he met Ananias, then he regained his sight, then he had the sins washed. If he was saved back in the encounter with Jesus, why was he later told to wash his sins away. Also, his baptism obviously took place within an hour of his arising and calling on the name of the Lord, so you are incorrect in the challenge you were offered. | ||||||
19 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113746 | ||
Yes, you receive the Spirit and are saved during baptism in water. Repentance and water baptism in his name are your response by faith to the gospel. God does all the work. By grace he forgives you and gives you the Holy Spirit. Water baptism is simply an act of faith whereby you are recieving something from God, not a work to earn something. Col. 2:12 explains in water baptism Christ is spiritually circumcising you. Roman 6:3 shows it is not a ritual but an actual participation in his death, burial and resurrection. | ||||||
20 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113759 | ||
Eph. 4:5 states one baptism, it must be the baptism of the Great Commission for it is commanded of Christ and is administered by men. Holy Spirit baptism and speaking in tongues(pentecost and Cornelius for example) was a promise fullfilled, but not a command of Christ. Once water baptism is recognized as the "one baptism", now all the baptism verses begin to make sense. Baptized into Christ, buried in baptism, baptism now saves you also, be baptized and wash your sins away, etc. |
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