Results 1 - 20 of 28
|
||||||
Results from: Notes Author: RevC Ordered by Verse |
||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
1 | CHRIST IS jehovah | Bible general Archive 1 | RevC | 4692 | ||
not sure that I understand this note...can you explain | ||||||
2 | JOE THROWS ONENESS INTO HERESY | Bible general Archive 1 | RevC | 4840 | ||
Perhaps the confusion comes because you have not made a single valid point regarding your current doctrinal view......when you start making points that a legitimate then I'll listen | ||||||
3 | JOE THROWS ONENESS INTO HERESY | Bible general Archive 1 | RevC | 4847 | ||
The hostility on this issus is getting heated... it seems to happen that way when doctrines start to crumble.Let me say I am new to this forum and apologize for multiple postings. If I am not welcome in the conversation lets not beat around the bush.Just ask me to shut up and move on. Contention is not something that I enjoy. Not one of you wonderful trinitarians has provided a shre of evidence for your view. I have not seen what was posted this weekend. I will do so shortly. Thank you for your responses however if you wish to criticize me personally I would request that you keep it to yourself.... I have not personally critcized yor knowledge or you as a person and would ask for the same respect. Please review my responses 5. Although I know there have been many newer versions and better translations since the KJV, many of which I own I have taken a personal stance against omitting verses based on these supposed new finding...so in the idea of "fair play" I'll retract position #5 based on translational discrepancies and we'll move on..of course I'll ask that you retract the whole "salt" thing. 7. I will assume that the lack of here in this answer is due to lack of explanation in your own doctrinal stance 8. At this point my answer would have to be "no"...do you? If so explain it to me 9. Dumb answer I am not going to waste much time on this one 15. I would look forward to this 23. Again Joe, this is poor it is obvious in Revelation that there is one God in heaven and that is Jesus Christ.... the whole time John has his revelation we never get to see the other two guys that Trinitarians say exist...... What's the deal with that? 42. No offense but I am not impressed with Gregory Boyd...most of what I have read form him has been really poor in scriptural points and has relied mostly on personal feeling and his own revelations......regardless of our trinity or oneness viewpoint ..I am sure we can agree that Boyd's work is really not that convincing.... I have gained more from your views than his I feel you have refuted nothing in a logical, concise or biblical manner...every point is tainted with verbal muck and no biblical basis at least I have lead to undeniable scriptures that our not easy for a Trinitarian to refute. This at one time was a non-issue for me until I started seeing some qoutes by hank hannagraf like " how can Jesus be the creator if he was not born until 2000 years ago".... or things like "Do we really want a non-Trinitarian to be the spiritual leader of our country?" Buckner wrote. This Hannagraf cronie is mad about the success of TD Jakes T.D. Jakes is a cult leader and his ministry is a cult," Buckner told "Charisma" magazine. This is just ridiculous. I am not hung up on roles,entities,modes or persons....there is one GOD.. HE came as Jesus Christ the son. There is no doubt that JESUS WAS GOD... this is your stance also.....so where do we differ just what is it that you see that I do not? God There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4). He is the creator of heaven and earth, and of all living beings. He has revealed Himself to humanity as the Father (Creator), in the son (Savior), and as the Holy Ghost (indwelling Spirit). Father God is a Spirit (John 4:24). He is the Eternal One, the Creator of all things, and the Father of all humanity by creation. He is the First and the Last, and beside Him there is no God (Isaiah 44:6). There was no God formed before Him; neither shall be there any after Him (Isaiah 43:10). Son Jesus is the Son of God according to the flesh (Romans 1:3) and the very God Himself according to the Spirit (Matthew 1:23). Jesus is the Christ (Matthew 16:16); the creator of all things (Colossians 1:16-17); God with us (Matthew 1:23); God made flesh (John 1:1-14); God manifested in the flesh (I Timothy 3:16);He which was, which is, and which is to come, the Almighty (Revelation 1:8);the mighty God, everlasting Father, and Prince of peace (Isaiah 9:6). Jesus Himself testified of His identity as God when He said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:7-11) and "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30). It took shedding of blood for the remission of the sins of the world (Hebrews 9:22), but God the Father was a Spirit and had no blood to shed. Thus He prepared a body of flesh and blood (Hebrews 10:5)and came to earth as a man in order to save us, for in Isaiah 43:11 He said, "Beside me there is no Savior." When He came in flesh the angels sang, "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11). Holy Ghost The Holy Ghost is not a third person in the Godhead, but rather the Spirit of God (the Creator), the Spirit of the resurrected Christ. The Holy Ghost comes to dwell in the hearts and lives of everyone who believes and obeys the gospel, as the comforter, Sustainer, and keeper (John 14:16-26; Romans 8:9-11). |
||||||
4 | Jesus name baptism fulflls matt 28 | Matt 28:19 | RevC | 4495 | ||
Not sure about that one.. Its you again huh? That is wonderful, we are both quite active today huh?... Let me tell you what I think. I think that wehn Jesus said the NAME he meant his name. Because his name is above all names, also in Him dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily. I realize the Trinitarian veiwpoint of "these are Jesus'words. However once again there is a consistency that cannot be ignored. This is found in the book of Acts... every baptism is done in Jesus name and not just by Peter but also by Paul and others. I do not believe that this was an abbreviated form of the Matt 28 but the fullness of it... why abreviate over and over again throughout the entire book.... Lets remember that Johns baptism was not the same as Jesus name baptism.. this iswhy Paul insisted that the two Ephesian be re-baptized or baptized in Jesus name. I realize that this view is only found in yoru "oneness" churches and different sects of the charismatic movement. I thinkthat is however only due to the ormula being changed by catholocism and not because the evangellical or protestant church felt this was the best way...however should any one argue my speal goes this way "I baptize you in the name if the father and the son andthe holy ghost with in whom the fullness of the Godhead swelled bodily...I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ" A bit lenghty but worth it..... I look forward to yoru response | ||||||
5 | Jesus name baptism fulflls matt 28 | Matt 28:19 | RevC | 4564 | ||
JVH0212 Yes we can always share with each other even in disagreement.. It is my desire to maintain unity and I enjoy hearing your thoughts. My question is respectfully,how do you not see, Jesus name baptism? We see this formula done throughout the entire book of Acts. The Matthew 28 dissertation was fulfilled with Acts 2:38 and continued in Samaria,the jailer,the Eunich the house of Cornelius and teh two ephesian disciples of John. With all due respect to your current belief and with humility I would ask you to check your heart on this. I think that many times we do what we have been taught....it then becomes tradition and tradition is not always right. The baptismal formula of Father.Son and Holy Ghost was fulfilled in Acts 2:38 because in Jesus dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead...thus the first church baptized in then NAME of the Father,Son and the Holy Ghost....and that name as previously discussed is Jesus..now then if any man be contenious I was raised Baptist and baptized father,son holy ghost...then when I went to the apostolic church I was baptized in Jesus name....so I guess I covered all the bases(LOL) | ||||||
6 | Jesus name baptism fulflls matt 28 | Matt 28:19 | RevC | 4576 | ||
Unfortunantly after looking at your article, Although I appreciate your time in trying to give me a answer that would be thoughtful and insightful and done in sucha aspirit of love I can do nothing but reject your findings. The Bible can be a difficult and complex book, however many times we are the ones that make it that way. What I have presented have been clear and concise scriptures. For instance Isaiah told us that He would be called wonderful,counsellor and "the Mighty God" Jesus said of Himself..."I AM" "if you have seen the me you have seen the Father" Thomas proclaims He is God and Jesus seems content with the title.......Paul tells us that in Him dwelleth the Fullness of the God head.....in other words in Jesus There was the Father-the Son and the Holy Ghost...again that is God breathed scripture and not some loose interpretation. These are a few of a great many verses that Jesus and others testified of. It is simple to see that Christ was a great orator and however He chose to word His teachings, they should be revered and understood. There are instances and I will include them (my work schedule does not permit me to do so at this time) where Jesus says The Father will send the comforter...and a few verses later Jesus says "I will send the comforter"...Whats the deal with that. The fact is Jesus was as Paul said the Father-the Son and the Holy Ghost.... To negate Mr. Boyds finding there are several instances where Jesus name baptism is seen in Acts and in each case the resemblance is strong........whether it means "in the authority of" or "for the sake of" is a mute point and really a contradiction to the argument Mr Boyd is struggling to make. We are told that His name is above all names We are told there is no other way to salvation but through His name. The fact of the matter is it is quite clear what Jesus meant when He gave his dissertation, the apostles upon recieving the Holy Spirit immediatly proclaimed this type of baptism...perhaps Peter made a mistake....what a rough way for te Holy Ghost to start His ministry huh? Perhaps it was as Hank says an abreviated version...this is highly unlikely and though I do not like Hank I would still think a man of his education could come up with a better one than that... What we have here is mere tradition.......We have been taught by the early rise of the catholic church to baptize in the titles... it is scripturally evident that this was not the way of the first church....we can argue all day long but the fact is God's word says what it says.... I suggest we all let loose of some traditional teachings and look at His word...GOD BLESS | ||||||
7 | Jesus name baptism fulflls matt 28 | Matt 28:19 | RevC | 4594 | ||
These are some great scriptures, they really give much more evidential proof of all that I have been saying. It is obvious to me that scripture after scripture support the fact of Jesus Christ being the fullness of the Godhead and the fact that the apostles recognized this thus the baptismal method of the first church as seen in the book of Acts |
||||||
8 | Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit? | Matt 28:19 | RevC | 4663 | ||
Here is some food for thought on trinity and oneness 1. Is the word trinity in the Bible? No. 2. Does the Bible say that there are three persons in the Godhead? No. 3. Does the Bible speak of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Yes. 4. Do these titles as used in Matthew 28:19 mean that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead? No, they refer to three offices, roles, or relationship to humanity. 5. Does the Bible use the word three in reference to God? Only one verse in the entire Bible does so-I John 5:7. It speaks of the Father, the Word (instead of Son), and the Holy Ghost, and it concludes by saying, "These three are one." 6. Does the Bible use the word one in reference to God? Yes, many times. For example, see Zechariah 14:9; Malachi 2:10; Matthew 23:9; Mark 12:29, 32; John 8:41; 10:30; Romans 3:30; I Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; I Timothy 2:5; James 2:19. 7. Can the mystery of the Godhead be understood? Yes. Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9; I Timothy 3:16. 8. Has the Christian only one Heavenly Father? Yes. Matthew 23:9. 9. Then why did Jesus say to Philip, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9)? Because Jesus is the express image of God's person. Hebrews 1:3. The Greek word for personin this verse literally means "substance." 10. Does the Bible say that there are two persons in the Godhead? No. 11. Does the Bible say that all the Godhead is revealed in one person? Yes, in Jesus Christ. II Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:19; 2:9; Hebrews 1:3. 12. Is the mystery of the Deity hidden from some people? Yes. Luke 10:21-22. 13. Who is the Father? The Father is the one God, particularly as revealed in parental relationship to humanity. Deuteronomy 32:6; Malachi 2:10. 14. Where was God the Father while Jesus was on earth? The Father was in Christ. John 14:10; II Corinthians 5:19. He was also in heaven, for God is omnipresent. 15. Did the prophet Isaiah say that Jesus would be the Father? Yes. Isaiah 9:6; 63:16. 16. When God said, "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26), was He speaking to another person in the Godhead? No. Isaiah 44:24; Malachi 2:10. 17. How many of God's qualities were in Christ? All. Colossians 2:9. 18. How may we see the God who sent Jesus into the world? By seeing Jesus. John 12:44-45; 14:9. 19. Does the Bible say that Jesus is the Almighty? Yes. Revelation 1:8 20. Whom do some designate as the first person in the trinity? God the Father. 21. Whom do some designate as the last person in the trinity? The Holy Ghost. But Jesus said that He was the first and last. Revelation 1:17-18 22. How many persons did John see sitting on the throne in heaven? One. Revelation 4:2. 23. If Jesus is the first and the last, why did God say in Isaiah 44:6 that He was the first and the last? Because Jesus is the God of the Old Testament incarnate. 24. Did Jesus tell Satan that God alone should be worshipped? Yes. Matthew 4:10 25. Does the devil believe in more than one God? No. James 2:19. 26. Does the Bible say that God, who is the Word, was made flesh? Yes John 1:1, 14. 27. For what purpose was God manifested in the flesh? To save sinners. Hebrews 2:9, 14. 28. Was Jesus God manifested in the flesh? Yes. I Timothy 3:16. 29. Could Jesus have been on earth and in heaven at the same time? Yes. John 3:13. 30. Does the Bible say that there is but one Lord? Yes. Isaiah 45:18; Ephesians 4:5. 31. Does the Bible say that Christ is the Lord? Yes. Luke 2:11. 33. How could the church belong to Jesus (Matthew 16:18) and yet be the church of God (I Corinthians 10:32)? Because Jesus is God in the flesh. 34. Will God give His glory to another? No. Isaiah 42:8. 35. Was there a God formed before Jehovah, or will there be one formed after? No. Isaiah 43:10. 36. What is one thing that God does not know? Another God. Isaiah 44:8. 37. What is one thing that God Cannot do? Lie. Titus 1:2. 38. How many Gods should we know? Only one. Hosea 13:4. 39. How many names has the Lord? One. Zechariah 14:9. 40. Is it good to think upon the name of the Lord? Yes. Malachi 3:16. 42. Why, then, was Jesus able to walk upon the Sea of Galilee (Matthew 14:25)? Because He is God the Creator. Colossians 1:16. 43. Is God the only one who can forgive sin? Yes. Isiah 43:25; Mark 2:7. 44. Why, then, could Jesus forgive sin in Mark 2:5-11? Because He is God the Savior. 45. Does the Bible say that there is only one wise God? Yes. Jude 25. 46. Does the Bible call the Holy Ghost a second or third person in the Godhead? No. The Holy Ghost is the one Spirit of God, the one God Himself at work in our lives. John 4:24; I Corinthians 3:16-17; 6:19; 12:13. |
||||||
9 | Jesus name baptism fulflls matt 28 | Matt 28:19 | RevC | 4916 | ||
Joe! The judge or heresies! God bless you joe. You are much more tolerable after a good nights sleep, which I had last night. I am at work on your previous request.... it should follow shortly...however please back off of the heresy thing you are looking like a man ona witch hunt! The fact is regarding Jesus name baptism you are in over your head. The word of God gives time after time in the book of Acts the way the first church considered christian ...true christian baptism to be administered. Lets face it scripture is just not on your side in this issue! You can manipulate it anyway you want it ....however any solid student of the bible who lets God's word and His Word only decide how they live their life...sees Jesus name baptism.....So no mater what Hank Hannagraf or Gregory Boyd says any thing other than JESUS name baptism is a contradiction of the bible | ||||||
10 | Have I misunderstood your question? | John 6:56 | RevC | 4938 | ||
Oneness approach to How can God pray and still be God? By definition, God in His omnipotence has no need to pray, and in His oneness has no other to whom He can pray. If the prayers of Jesus prove there are two persons in the Godhead, then one of those persons is subordinate to the other and therefore not fully or truly God. What, then, is the explanation of the prayers of Christ? It can only be that the human nature of Jesus prayed to the eternal Spirit of God. The divine nature did not need help; only the human nature did. As Jesus said at the Garden of Gethsemane, "The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak" (Matthew 26:41). Hebrews 5:7 makes it clear that Jesus needed to pray only during "the days of his flesh." During the prayer at Gethsemane, the human will submitted itself to the divine will. Through prayer His human nature learned to submit and be obedient to the Spirit of God (Philippians 2:8; Hebrews 5:7-8). This was not a struggle between two divine wills, but a struggle between the human and divine wills in Jesus. As a man Jesus submitted Himself to and received strength from the Spirit of God. Some may object to this explanation, contending that it means Jesus prayed to Himself. However, we must realize that, unlike any other human being, Jesus had two perfect and complete natures - humanity and divinity. What would be absurd or impossible for an ordinary man is not so strange with Jesus. We do not say Jesus prayed to Himself, for that incorrectly implies Jesus had only one nature like ordinary men. Rather, we say the human nature of Jesus prayed. The choice is simple. Either Jesus as God prayed to the Father or Jesus as man prayed to the Father. If the former were true, then we have a form of subordinationism or Arianism in which one person in the Godhead is inferior to, not co-equal with, another person in the Godhead. This contradicts the biblical concept of one God, the full deity of Jesus, and the omnipotence of God. If the second alternative is correct, and we believe that it is, then no distinction of persons in the Godhead exists. The only distinction is between humanity and divinity, not between God and God. |
||||||
11 | Have I misunderstood your question? | John 6:56 | RevC | 4941 | ||
1. Jesus said that He would send the comforter to us John 16:7, but He also said the Father would send the comforter John 14:26. 2. The Father alone can draw men to God John 6:44 , yet Jesus said He would draw all men John 12:32. 3. Jesus will raise up all believers in the last day John 6:40, yet God the Father quickens gives life to the dead and will raise us up Romans 4:17 I Corinthians 6:14. 4. Christ is our sanctifier Ephesians 5:26, yet the Father sanctifies us Jude 1. We can easily understand all of this if we realize that Jesus has a dual nature. He is both Spirit and flesh, God and man, Father and Son. |
||||||
12 | Will you join me? | Acts 2:33 | RevC | 4949 | ||
Charis JVH0212 Hank Let it be known that you responded to postings concerning this issue. That you kept the discussion alive. It would seem to me that your desire is to break fellowship with whomever you disagree with, but only until you describe them as unholy,heretics incapable of having a intelligent thought. In each and every post I gave concise biblically based answers. I made no accusations nor did I describe you in any way that would degrade you or put you down. I am sorry that you have had such a difficult time getting your doctrinal basis to stick. The truth is no matter which side you are on both doctrines have their weak points ...including TRINITY. There are a great many on this site that have maintained a good spirit during this discussion. I feel we have all learned from it. This is the basis of a forum that people express their ideas freely and in a way that is not offensive or crude. I have not been either of those. For you to lamblast my faith, that which has brought me to new life, healed the brokenness and the hurt that I have endured. The same faith which has brought healing to my family joy to my children and love to our home To lamblast that is a crime and a shame. Sometime people are so doctrinal that they became dangerous. I agree you should boycott this discussion. JVH0212 we communicated by e mail briefly, not once did doctrine come up. Only unity..however you choose the path in which you should take........GOD BE WITH YOU with the sincerest of love in the Lord Jesus Christ | ||||||
13 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | RevC | 4682 | ||
Sorry for coming in on the back side Nehemiah but I totally agree with your statements.... the word of God is really obvious about Jesus name baptism.. I think that it is awsome that you elected to throw tradition aside and grab a hold of God's word........God Bless | ||||||
14 | Must a woman have long hair | 1 Corinthians | RevC | 51735 | ||
How in the world can you say a woman cutting her hair is an abomination unto God! Where in scripture can you possibly show that this is an abomination? This sounds more like preferance than scripture referance | ||||||
15 | Holy Ghost Baptism subsequent to salvati | 1 Cor 12:13 | RevC | 4477 | ||
What you are talking about here seems to be seperate events. This one time event also happened in Samaria, it happened to Paul,it happened to the believers in Ephesus that Paul encounters. This is a one time event that seems to have happened to each and every converted believer (except for the unich) in the new testament...... How do you personallly feel about that | ||||||
16 | Holy Ghost Baptism subsequent to salvati | 1 Cor 12:13 | RevC | 4480 | ||
These are very good points. I appreciate the answer | ||||||
17 | Holy Ghost Baptism subsequent to salvati | 1 Cor 12:13 | RevC | 4491 | ||
JVH0212... You are not at all argumenative and I do not take you that way. On the contrary I appreciate your input very much. I am undecided on the issue. I recieved what i will call the baptism of the Holy Spirit and it was a very real and empowering experience for me tht has chnged my life. i also see a pattern in the book of Acts that leads me to believe that there is a seperate experience that follows those who believe. I have come up and out of the apostolic church(UPCI) which teaches some one must speak in tongues to be saved.(period!) That is not my personal view at this time..however I am sure you can see the wrestling that I am doing.... I do believe there is some sort of subsequent action that happens. I know in the Samaria experience the words or phrase use was "as He had not fallen on any of them yet" What does that mean!!! (Come on Luke give me some more info) It is my desire to walk in truth, and to know the truth of God's word...any insight or interpretation is appreciated and is not seen as an attack and pleae regard my comments in the same manner... So any though on the samarian experience or the house of Cornelius...I look forward to your reply | ||||||
18 | Holy Ghost Baptism subsequent to salvati | 1 Cor 12:13 | RevC | 4497 | ||
I am looking forward to your reply.... There are other issues that you and I are discussing I am enjoying that one as well God bless | ||||||
19 | Holy Ghost Baptism subsequent to salvati | 1 Cor 12:13 | RevC | 4500 | ||
JVH0212 please check your e mail | ||||||
20 | Women starting churches....???? | 1 Tim 2:12 | RevC | 4490 | ||
What is the thought of Joyce Meyer and her ministry.... is she in violation of the scripture in timothy 2:12 | ||||||
Result pages: [ 1 2 ] Next > Last [2] >> |