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1 | Lowest Common Denominator | Bible general Archive 1 | Paulfromnys | 25232 | ||
Well we know who GOD loves, so the lcd would be, who do you love?? | ||||||
2 | what is baptism | Bible general Archive 1 | Paulfromnys | 25383 | ||
It is the promise of GOD to immerse us into Christ as our life. I'm a little burned out right now, but I think if you look at any verses at all regarding baptism; this will be born out. Goodnite, and GOD bless us in our desire to know and love Him. | ||||||
3 | When did the catholic church go wrong? | Bible general Archive 1 | Paulfromnys | 25827 | ||
Well I'm not strongly grounded in the history, or unfolding of these things, just shooting from the hip. I believe what happened at niciae is very much akin to what happened when Israel asked for a king to be over her like the other nations(1 Samuel 8:19,20). Israel was experiencing much distress at the time, but she had a covenant relationship with GOD to live and overcome through. This she rejected in order to deal with her problems as other nations(unbelief, arm of flesh). What this truly was GOD revealed in 1 Samuel 8:7. This is exactly what I believe those believers embracing Constintine and the covering of the Roman Empire did at Niciea. ED: Any thoughts about the compromises you felt entered the church in 300 AD era? The church is by defination those who live in a real moment to moment communion with GOD as their Father through the attonement of our Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing added, nothing taken away. You cannot join the church, you MUST be born into it. So the straight foward ansewer to that question is that the believers embracing the protection and sanction of the Roman Empire left the church, and began the first expression of Babylon sinse the attonement of Christ. As such these would be the members of the spirit wishing to destroy the faith of Jesus Christ in the lives of men. ED: Had the compromises the early non-believers brought become so ingrained that they were no longer an issue? It's my personal belief that the adversary had succeeded in taking the hearts of many from their first love. By this I mean that many were moved by stress and pressures from a complete intrustment of themselves to Christ in love, into trying of themselves, and apart from the faith of GOD to deal with the many things confronting the early church. These things are a testimony to us, today. |
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4 | When did the catholic church go wrong? | Bible general Archive 1 | Paulfromnys | 25952 | ||
Hi Ed, yes as I said, the church is a living communion with GOD in the attonement of our Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing more, nothing less. The church continued on as Babylon was born, and began to grow(Babylon). When Babylon(Roman church) came to a position of pre-eminent power, her real nature was revealed as she sought to bind all men to herself, and destroyed all who refused. During the dark ages undeceived believers continued to witness to the realities of the gospel, and refused to recognize the Roman church as in the faith of Jesus Christ. For this many were killed. At the reformation a witness(Holy Spirit) againest the Roman church was given(Luther, ect) and Her power over the lives of men was broken. But men did much the same as they did with Constintine 1300 years earlier and organized themselves into churches with intimate relationships with the governments of the world. And now while the intimidating, life threatening power of Babylon was broken a new threat as revealed in Matthew 24:24 was undertaken by the spirit of anti-Christ. These realities are shown symbolicaly in spiritual language in Revelations 17, and GODS counsel to those within these systems in Revelation 18:4. If you notice 17:5 says she is a whore, and the mother of harlots. She is now calling her daughters back to herself in the eccumenical movement, as her headship(the devil) lusts for one more crack at real power in the lives of men. |
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5 | When did the catholic church go wrong? | Bible general Archive 1 | Paulfromnys | 25983 | ||
Hi Joe, These words are not born in academics, but in my spirit. You probably have a better grasp of historical specifics than me(highschool and 27 years in the faith aware of such issues). I once did a study on churh history and spent several months about these things. But it is the reality of how people and churches respond to what GOD has declared in His word which moves me to speak in these terms. Joe --The Reformers, just like those who came before, did not seek to overthrow the Church of Rome, but to bring it back to the basics as seen in Scripture. Hence the name "REFORM." Originally there was never any intent to form new branches of Christendom, but to fix what was wrong in the existing ones. ------------ Yes this was in the hearts of many including Luther, but it found no interest in Rome, as she was pre-eminent in her own mind, and abided no one telling her of needed reforms, to include the Spirit of GOD as being revealed in His word. Believers seek to overthrow or protest nothing except the power of sin in mens life through the gospel of Jesus Christ. Joe: --Please provide some historical examples from the Dark Ages of groups that held true to the biblical faith AND split off from the institution of Roman Catholicism.--------------- There are books of Martyrs giving many testimonies of how Rome(church) responded to those who whould not embrace her, and yet maintained a testimony for Christ. History tells of her brutality in the inquisition. She is known to have manipulated governments to obtain her ends, to include many wars. These are historical facts Joe, but the spiritual reality is that she seeks her own glory, and to bind men to herself. As I said this was evident when she was in a position of power, but today she must lay low, for much of her real power is gone, but she's working on it. Joe --Please also demonstrate how the verse you cited refers to Rome: "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect." --Matthew 24:24 Good question Joe, sinse it dosen't. Look at Revelation 17:5 and see the whore having daughters, harlots. These are the many groups and organizations who sinse the reformation have conformed themselves in ever deeper ways to what the scriptures are saying. One good test to avoid the spirit of Babylon is to refuse membership in anything except the already established membership all believers have in the body of Christ by the sure promises of GOD received in the faith of jesus Christ, our life and Lord. Carnal distinctions are forbidden believers by scripture, yet babylon will always insist that belonging to her is the real expression of the Holy Spirit. The Roman church is not this, for she is easily discerned as off, and twisting the word of GOD Yours in Christ, Paul |
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6 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 25674 | ||
Greetings Nolan: You said: Genesis 3:1-7 is referring to a tangible fruit on a tree, not a symbolic fruit of fornication. It had to be tangible so that she could be ordered not to "touch" it (v.3), or eat it (v.3,6). But they did eat of the fruit and their eyes were opened. My reply: The spiritual realities of these things are real, more real than the natural. The fruit of GODS Spirit is love, joy, peace......The fruit of unbelief(sin) is envy, strife, fornication...... Nolan: If the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were symbolic, then how do explain the tree of Life in Genesis 2:9 and Revelation 22:2,14. I believe that these are literal trees. If that is so, then Adam and Eve ate of "literal" fruit as well! Paul: Jesus Christ the only begotten of GOD is the tree of life, and the man of sin is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Embracing what either brings to you will bear fruit in one life. Nothing can grow in us but that we accept it, either by desire(unforgivable), or through deception(power of the devil which Jesus destroyed). We will grow and be formed in Jesus, or in the spirit of this world. So I don't believe it was an apple or such, but rather a specific act meant to bring Eve and Adasm into sin. Nolan: Moreover, it was a "serpent" that deceived Eve (2 Cor. 11:3), not a man. Paul: creatures are often used of GOD to portray the position of a man. Our Lord is not a lion, yet He is the Lion of the tribe of Judah. The fact is that all man is apart from GOD is a beast(like the one in Revelation). The serpent portrays the agency of a man in service to the devil(more subtile than any creature). Jesus identified the pharisees as snakes. Nolan: And the NT does not allude to any possibility other than the fact that Adam and Eve were deceived by eating fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (1 Tim. 2:13,14). Adam and Eve were the ONLY TWO HUMANS on earth at the time of the Garden of Eden. Paul: It says first Adam, then Eve, but as to what happened after the disobedience, well we can think on it. I'm seeing that many children were born of fornication, and that this was the specific act which Eve partook of, and brought to Adam. GOD kept a pure lineage for His seed, but the rest fell into mixture, and the bearing of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Look at matthew 13:37-43 in regards to this, as Jesus explains the two sowers to His disciples. GOD bless us all in our desire to know and please Him, Paul |
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7 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 25715 | ||
Thats a lousy way to end any reasoning. I'm not twisting, I'm trying to see what is being said. If you take scripture at face value, then show how the scriptures and points I raised are in error WITH SCRIPTURE. If you can't, or don't wish to do that, then why accuse me of doing the last thing I'd ever want to be guilty of?? | ||||||
8 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 25775 | ||
OK, thats an honest opinion of Nolan. How do you see the two sowers in light of this?? How do you see Cain described as of that wicked one?? How do you see the contrast between flesh and spirit so powerfully drawn in Romans 8?? I've thought on these and many other things as I've sought GOD in His word. Your right, I am seeing the events of Genesis 3:1-7 in a way not clearly shown by those verses, but scripture interpts itself, in the revelation of GOD. Nolan: As for raising up your "faults" with Scripture, I have been known on this Forum for doing just that. And I will not hesistate to tell you that you are, in fact, twisting and adding your own interpretations to this Scripture by stating your false assertions about this passage, in which any credible scholar would not support nor find reasonable. I guess thats the end of that. I don't think it will do any good to continue now, so lets leave it alone after your next response, if you choose to respond. |
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9 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 25813 | ||
Hi Ed. I agree, it seems to be exactly as you have said, but I add that scriptures are a revelation of the Holy Spirit, and I think you'll agree that they do interpt themselves. I guess I expect alot in a rational consideration of this, but that is exactly what i expect. GOD is not violated when we seek honestly to understand His word to us(Malachi 3:16-18), GOD is violated when attributes, and understandings are ascribed to Him which are not true. When we say we know, but all we have is an intellectual concept, or personal interptation we are wrong. How do you explain the corruptness ascribed to our flesh as the breeding ground of that which is directly opposed to GODS desire twords us. If our flesh were merely the GOD given residence of our spirits fallen into disobedience, why are we exorted so strongly in scripture to mortify its deeds to live?? Why is Cain the first born from GODS creation an exact reflection of our accusser?? Why does scripture identify Cain as; "of that wicked one"?? How do we understand the parable of the two sowers?? Why did GOD maintain a pure PHYSICAL lineage from Adam to our Lord?? I would to consider these and many other considerations with any willing person, but I really don't want to get into discussions of whos doing what to the scripture. I could lie down this understanding in a second if I saw it false to what our Lord is saying to us. Yet at this time I believe it to be reflective of what GOD is revealing in His word. I'm sorry if this offends, or upsets any. While that is very important, it's not our main consideration in Christ. Please no more responses that this is a perverting of scripture, I fully realize that alot is read into those verses by what I'm seeing, but I believe that scripture is in harmony with this understanding, so I consider it very seriously. I hope all would be honest enough to say that the eating of literal fruit from a literal tree is also an interptation. Not only that, but it is an interptation which does not flow from Genesis to Revelation, as I believe all scripture should. |
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10 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 25892 | ||
Hello Ed, the question is, what was the action involved in the partaking of the fruit, and what act was taken by Eve to Adam to do likewise?? I don't believe it was eating of literal fruit. It could well of been the all encompassing choice of taking the lust of the flesh, eye, and the pride of life in itself. But I believe these motives of the heart were expressed in an act of partaking of the very fruit of sin. It makes perfect sense to me that conceiving life in these motives would bring the seed of an enemy among men, even as the parable of the two sowers shows. I guess in spiritualizing the whole episode with Adam, Eve, and the serpent, it could be excactly as you say, for this indeed bears out throughout scripture. I'm just stuck on the actual act of partaking. Thanks, and I'll post if I get anymore clarity, hope you'll do likewise. Yours in Christ, Paul |
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11 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 25948 | ||
Hi Tim, Then your saying it was literal fruit like an apple?? You make a valid point, but I believe we have to see what was the reality of the trees in the garden, and consequently their fruit. Do you believe the tree of Life to be a person, even our Lord Jesus Christ?? If this is true, the His fruit would be his very life, symbolically consumed in the eating of bread. In specific terms His fruit would be SPECIFIC ACTS from love, joy, peace, ect... |
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12 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 25990 | ||
Hi Joe, read Ezekiel 31:1-9 to get a sense of where i get the idea of trees representing men. In the spiritual sense, this is the only way to see it. GOD apparently has made physical creation to be reflections of spiritual realities. There is only one LIFE, and only one death; sin. So I'm seeing the man of life, and the man of sin residing in the garden, and our great..............................................................great grandparents between them, just as all men are today. To consume the tree of life is to embrace and act on what it presents to you as your life; Jesus said, why do you call me Lord, Lord, and do not as I say?? Life has one master; Christ, and death has one master; sin. Both are personified; the one who manifests GODS life fully: Jesus Christ, and the one who manifests sin fully: as yet unidentified. Anyway Joe, these are not things to be brushed aside abruptly, for the truth is, neither one of us knows these things, but before GOD we desire to, and we have the freedom to think on them in His presence. Please read Malachi 3:16-18, as this is how I believe we should approach these things TOGETHER. Joe ---If the tree of life is Jesus, why did God say that Adam and Eve could eat from ANY tree except that of the knowledge of good and evil. So Eve could have "fornicated" with all trees except Satan?!? ---------------------------------- Because the fellowship(not fornicating) of these trees would not have produced fruit(acts) contrary to the spirit of GOD as the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil did. Fornication is an act which is contrary to GOD, and this is what she took to Adam, I believe. I must say though that the idea of many trees being food does make me think of literal food. Thanks Joe, and please share any other thoughts you get concerning this. Yours in Christ, Paul |
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13 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 26015 | ||
Okay, Paul, I'll bite (pardon the pun). Very appropiate pun it is:) Joe:---What do you mean when you say that God maintained "a pure PHYSICAL lineage from Adam to our Lord"? You keep repeating this, so what is the purity of which you speak? Do you mean that all of those between Adam and Jesus were morally perfect? Please explain yourself here. Paul:---I believe Adam was created the son of GOD in the sense of conception. By this i mean that every father has in his heart a desire or vision of who his son will be, and birth begins the interaction between father and son as to what the reality of the son will indeed be. GODS revealing of His Son was determined before the foundation of the world as GOD can perfectly execute His desires where man cannot. Anyway with the birth of cain I believe we have an expression of life among men which is directly opposed to GODS Son being revealed in flesh. This life expressed in Cain is not in GODS thinking regarding the life of His Son, so while all flesh became defiled in the mixture of fornication(reproduction outside of GODS desire) GOD maintained a lineage free of this mixture unto the revelation of His promised Son. In regards to the wheat and tares, please read Matthew 13:37-43 where Jesus explaines the parable to His disciples. Here we have an enemy planting sons after the good man did. To me I see this reality in the scriptures. A man of GOD declaring GOD word to the people, and a man or group of men on the scene directly opposed to what GODS man is bringing, with the vast majority of people somewhere in between in the valley of decision. Look at the religious leaders affecting the multitude who had been blessed, and pricked by Jesus ministry in Matthew 27:20. Dathan and Korah directly opposed Moses. It seems to me that as there is a pure seed(Jesus), there is also a truly reprobate seed, and both are desiring to draw men to themselves. I believe the VAST multitude of us are a mixture of the two, and in need of redemption to be found in GODS Son, as sons. Of course your thoughts on false teachers is valid, but here we're talking about the origons, and embodiment of these false teachers. Joe--- In John 8, we see Jesus calling the Pharisees children of the devil (John 8:44) while at the same time acknowledging that they are physical descendants of Abraham like He is (John 8:37) The Pharisees and Christ share a common physical lineage, but they are children of the devil and he is the Son of God. Paul--- the more i talk with you, the more I appreciate your fellowship(not flattery, just the way I see it)Your thoughts are well conceived in the word of our Lord, and if I am barking up the wrong tree, I think you'll get me to see it. The promise went through Issac, which means to me that the Lord is vigilent over this lineage due to possible mixture from the wives who are not mentioned in the lineage. Anyway that GOD can do this is not an issue. I know you'll have a bad response to this, but maybe Romans 9:7,8 will help. As does Roman 8, it seems the flesh is to be removed from consideration by GODS promise. The mixture of these things is not in question, but the origon of them is. Joe:---The Bible also says that we are ALL by nature children of the devil until God saves us and adopts us into His family (see Ephesians 2:3 to see our common spiritual parentage).---- Yes that we were held captive by the power of sin in our flesh is not debatable. That the source of this boundage came by a defilement of our GOD created flesh is. This is the devil perverting life in order to gain passage to our souls in order to oppose our spirits I believe. To be aware of this would be a part of GODS revelation to us, which comes through the hearing of His word. You are certainely making me think about what I've received as true. I believe if we perservere some these things will come into view as true, or false. |
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14 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 26017 | ||
I agree, but I think what we're dealing with here is the revelation of how we're brought into, and kept in the power of sin. What you've presented is a case of every disobedience needing correction, and yet there is disobedience which brings death. The strength of this death is what we're looking at, and according to Romans 8, it's from the influence of our ""GOD given"" flesh?? One of our promises in Christ is new bodies. Anyway, I'm getting alot of thought provoking responses to this(how the Spirit of our GOD always loves to redeem life from death) from good, and well versed brethern. So as we pray for one another, we'll continue to desire our Lord, but right now my flesh is weak. Hank:---No matter what outward form it may take, sin is disobedience to God's law. Amen, and an excellant point, very needful to keep in view in these considerations. |
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15 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 26025 | ||
Tim:---I don't mean to be rude, but to put it bluntly: this is a dangerous method of interpretation.-------------------------------- Your right. I'm just trusting that it's clear that I'm honestly considering these things with you in GODS presence, and by no means setting myself up as speaking for GOD. Tim:-- If we all followed this interpretational method, we could make any passage say anything we want. ---------------------------------------- regardless of what rules we apply to understanding scripture, the bottom line is revelation from GOD. I think your guidelines are sensible, but not the conclusion of this matter. Tim:----Earlier you cross referenced Gen. 3:1-7 with the parable of the seeds in the NT. I have heard other people make that connection recently. If you don't mind, where did you hear that from? Somebody out there must be teaching it! I was introduced to these understandings through the ministry of Bill Branham. Your brother in Christ, Paul |
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16 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 26061 | ||
I can't enlighten anyone, simply share what I have believed, I guess thats what we all do. Good talking with you Joe, I guess we leave it here for now. GOD bless us all in our desire to know, please, and serve Him. Your brother in Christ, Paul |
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17 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 26090 | ||
The purity is GODS unfolding Revelation in man. Whatever came from the disobedience of Adam was not included in this. Ok, regarding Bill Branham, theres ALOT to be said which cannot be delt with honestly in this setting in an debate. I have delt with the things your presenting inlight of many other considerations, and cannot reject the claim to Revelations 10:7 out of hand as many do. Genesis 4:1 quotes Eve regarding Cain, but makes no mention of Abel whom all know to be in the lineage from Adam. Does this prove anything, no, but it does not allow the complete rejection many would ascribe to it. The interbreeding comment is out of context, I don't believe your very familiar with the message, and have gotten ahold of some of the wonderful apologetic material that is available. My opinion is that Bill Branham did represent the voice of Revelation 10:7, yet in the presssures of such an office He was found trying to justify as a man what he knew by revelation(mouth to ear) to be true. His quote on interbreeding would be this i believe. He was seeking to make a piece fit I believe. I wonder if we could hear all the things Moses said in light of his experiences with GOD could be cast in such a light, at any event we know Moses was angry(probably befuddled) at the response of the people, and he had to deal with this in GOD. Man is not a beast, yet we know that a beast will receive the worship of all not knowing our Lord. Why is this "man" identified as a beast?? "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." --Genesis 2:7 This is indeed GODS creation of man, but what we're looking at are the circumstances which perverted GODS image in man to it's current manifestation in this world. Joe ---I pray that you will read the Bible apart from the "revelations" of William Branham, and I pray that the REAL Holy Spirit will enlighten you to what is the truth, Paul. Everything said by human beings needs to be weighed against the content of the whole of Scripture to see if it is reasonable. Branham demonstrated that he wasn't a prophet of God by denying the very truths found in the Word of God. I've been doing this for years. I attend a local assembly of believers who don't see Bill Branham as I do. Yet I've always wanted to consider these things in an honest open fellowship. All to often these things get like a bad divorse, both side ripping at each other, and I'm not up for that. Leave your prayers at GOD revealing what is right to us, because when you say you know you have shut the door to hearing from GOD on that issue. Yours in Christ, Paul |
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18 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 26102 | ||
No the line was not sinless, only Jesus is that. Bill Branham is as far from embracing evolution as you can get. Genesis 4:1 says Eve said that we have a man from the Lord, and is silent regarding Abel. 1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. It's interesting to consider how such a life could be manifested immediately after the fall. Joe:---So we return to the age-old deception of believing that the Bible needs a human interpreter to tell us what the "hidden meaning" behind the text is. Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. Joe----One must reject the clear rendering of Scripture in order to embrace Branhamism. In addition, the teachings of Branham regarding the serpent's seed has NEVER been held in the total of church history. Such an "important doctrine" was not taught by the apostles, nor by anyone in church history until Branham. No trace of it at all. So either our sovereign God let His truth disappear for until the 1940s, or Branham is wrong. ------- You've picked a point unacceptable to your thinking, and disqualified a powerful ministry based on this. This is what many of Jesus disciples did when He spoke of eating His flesh, and drinking His blood. I think we need to let this go, so this will be my last reply for the time being. Joe:---Seriously, Paul, take a step back and evaluate that. Literally thousands of years went by, with this "revelation" hidden. The Bible doesn't mention it directly, and even apparently denies it, based on the verses I already cited. Only those who follow Branham hold to this strange doctrine, and do so in the face of the weight of history and the Biblical narrative and the complete SILENCE of Scripture on this doctrine. --------------------------------- I don't need to pray whether Branham was right any more than I need to pray whether the Book of Mormon is true. God has already plainly revealed that he is not.--------------------------------- I'm very serious about these things, and I do leave them with GOD for final clarity. I'm also very serious when I exort you to do the same. Yours in Christ, Paul |
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19 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 26119 | ||
Hi Tim, I feel theres enough to warrent an honest leaving of these things with GOD. I have trouble understanding brothers who say they know these things, when I really believe they don't. A strong opinion, or heldfast belief is one thing, but a total disallowing of a possiple understanding of scripture needs to be examined very seriously. I believe as I have shared, but I am open to the prayers of brethern in these things that GOD bring clarity to us. When you say you know, theres no communion with GOD on that point. I don't believe theres any real knowing shown here, just shock that such an interptation could be applied to those verses. I've left Bill Branham with GOD for several years now, and have received alot of clarity in the scriptures through his teachings. To me it's a very big thing to know something. Yours in Christ, Paul |
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20 | Genesis 3:1-7 | Genesis | Paulfromnys | 26121 | ||
very true Tim, but I don't believe at all we're talking about that kind of clarity, do you?? I do appreciate the honest concern, and I'm of the same mind. Your Brother in Christ, Paul |
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