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1 | RAPTURE | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 165579 | ||
Hi Mark. I agree with Kalos. The “Rapture”, will be a very loud, very visible event. Scripture plainly teaches that. Rev 1:7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and EVERY EYE will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. Matt 24:27 "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Matt 24:30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. Matt 24:31 "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. 2 Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. 2 Pet 3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! As for 2 Thess. 2:1,2 "2 Thess 2:1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 Thess 2:2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come." I would say that these verses are an argument for the exact opposite of a SECRET rapture. Paul is warning the Christians not to believe in such a way. As for the “Thief in the Night”. The “Thief in the Night” verses all pertain to the unexpectedness of Christ’s return. He is however, a thief with a trumpet. And when He returns, the elements will melt. If you or I were left behind I think we’d notice that. As for who said what first about a “secret” rapture, it doesn’t seem to matter. The Bible says it’s not secret. Ocelot |
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2 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 166114 | ||
Hi Doc. Ocelot here. You used Colossians 2:16-17 to prove your point. Here it is Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17) But Colossians 2:16-17 is a reference to the sacrificial system, and not to what is appropriate to eat. Read Leviticus 23:24-37. Lev 23:37 'These are the appointed times of the LORD which you shall proclaim as holy convocations, to present offerings by fire to the LORD--burnt offerings and grain offerings, sacrifices and drink offerings, each day's matter on its own day— Notice that the word “meat” used in Colossians 2:16-17 is the Greek word “brosis”. If you’d do a quick word study you’d find out that that word simply means “food”. With that knowledge, it becomes very clear that Col 2:16-17 is dealing with the sacrificial system, and food and drink offerings made to The Lord. I’m going to skip 1 Cor. 8:8 since it’s so vague. You then used 1 Timothy 4:3-5. Here it is: Forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Now let’s apply some logic to that verse. Would you say that God allows the eating of human flesh? Of course not. And yet man is a “creature”. The word “creature” here, is the Greek word “ktisma”, don’t ask me to pronounce it. It simply means “an original formation”, or “product (created thing)”. Now notice verse 5. “For it is sanctified by the WORD OF GOD, and prayer.” What food is sanctified by the word of God? Ocelot |
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3 | Does Satan Exist Part III | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 166190 | ||
Mark, I agree with you on the issue of insanity. Here’s another angle. Bear in mind that some of this is just theory. Lucifer’s downfall was based on PRIDE. And what other sin could cause a holy angel to fall? Pride is unlike all other sins. First, pride is a “hidden” sin, in that it is likely the hardest to detect by the person suffering from it. It may also be difficult for others to detect. Not that I’m saying God can’t detect it. But then, pride’s nature demands that when confronted about its very existence, pride would be offended. And if a rebuke was not taken with humility, pride would only tend to grow, not diminish. Pride is the most sinister of sins. Though not as “destructive” as some other sins, it is by the hardest sin to overcome. It declares, “I am in the right!”, “I am being mistreated!”. As for God’s Sovereignty and Omnipotence, God values freedom of choice. Hence the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before the fall, there was only one spot on Earth where Adam and Eve were susceptible to sin. Only one spot on the entire planet where Satan had access to the first couple. And what’s more, God warned Adam and Eve about it. Yet He would not take from them their freedom of choice. I believe that the freedom of choice was given to the angels in heaven. Yet their perfection and closeness to God all but guaranteed that sin would never rear its ugly head. This is just my opinion, but I believe that the only chance sin had to enter heaven, was through pride. One would assume that the closer one was to God, the less likely to fall. The closer to perfection, the more “sin-proof” one was. But pride bypasses that. In fact, pride can use perfection to spawn itself, in that if someone takes their focus off God and looks at their own perfection, they suddenly say, “Hey, look at me. I’m perfect.” Ezek 28:17 "Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor. Ocelot P.S. The devil doesn’t care which ditch you fall into. If you worship him he likes that. If you disbelieve in him, he likes that just as well. |
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4 | Does Satan Really Exist? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 166199 | ||
Regarding Ezekiel 28. There is something in the Bible that is know as “duel prophecy”. Here are a couple of examples. Mal 4:5 "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. Mal 4:6 "He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse." Here we have an example of a duel prophecy. And here’s the proof: Matt 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" Matt 17:11 And He answered and said, "Elijah is coming and will restore all things; Matt 17:12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." Matt 17:13 Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist. In Matthew 17:11 Jesus says “Elijah is coming and will restore all things…” but then He says “but I say to you that Elijah already came”. Two prophecies in one. One applies to John the Baptist, and another to someone “before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD.” Another duel prophecy is that of the destruction of the temple at the hands of the Romans, and the second coming of Christ, found in Matthew chapter 24. Ezekiel 28, IS talking about the king of Tyre, and yet simultaneously about the fall of Lucifer. Ocelot |
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5 | Why so many Bibles? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 166664 | ||
So do you suggest posting ushers at the doors to check for versions that are not uniform for the congregation? I think that you’ll find that it would get way too sticky a situation to try and uniform the version for a church. Do YOU have a suggestion on how to solve the issue? Ocelot |
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6 | Why so many Bibles? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 166669 | ||
Language itself has changed. If you could see the ORIGINAL King James Version, you’d have a VERY hard time reading it. As to why it was changed, I guess some people got together and said “Hey. This King James Version is hard for a lot of people to understand. Let’s make it easier.” Ocelot |
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7 | Why does Satan believe he can win? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 166910 | ||
Doc, correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t you pushing a denominational bias here? Namely Calvinism? I believe the rules are quite specific about that. Ocelot |
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8 | Why does Satan believe he can win? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 166916 | ||
Dear Doc, I apologize for the false accusation. Please forgive my obfuscation, as I did not mean such. Let me state my position plainly. I do not believe God predestined sin. I do not believe that God, in allowing His creations to commit sin failed to be sovereign. If an earthly father has the ability to force his will on his children, but allows them to make their own choices because he loves them, it does not detract from his ability to control them. In the same way, I believe God, setting aside His sovereignty so to speak, and allowing His creations to make poor choices that lead to sin and ultimately to death, does not detract from His sovereignty. Because He CAN control His creation does not mean that He WILL control His creation. “God is Love” 1 John 4:16. Love is not a characteristic possessed by God, but rather it is His primary characteristic. The verse does not say “God is loving” but “God IS LOVE”. Those are my beliefs in the matter. I realize you may not agree. You don’t have to agree. That’s the beauty of freedom of choice. : ) Ezekiel 33:11 "Say to them, 'As I live!' declares the Lord GOD, 'I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?' Doc, I do appreciate your input in this matter. Ocelot |
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9 | Why does Satan believe he can win? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 166994 | ||
Thank you, Doc, for your insight. But what you are describing sounds to me like a god who, in your word, “decrees” that sin should exist. And that in its existence it should destroy, maim, harm, mar and twist his creation. And not stopping at that, but it should ultimately cost the life of his son. When foreseeing the outcome of sin, does God diminish His sovereignty by saying to His creation “I will not force you to remain loyal to Me. I love you, so I will allow you to choose to fill your life with pride. I would not force you to stay away from the tree that I told you not to eat of. If I force you, then love ceases to be love. But rather, when you fall, I will make a Way of redemption. It will be VERY costly. But it is because of love that I will do this.”? Can’t you here Him crying out “…I have set before you life and death…” “So choose life in order that you may live…” Deuteronomy 30:19 I believe that it was Phillip Yancey that said “The guards at a labor camp can force their prisoners to do many things. They can force them to eat human excrement, kill and bury their mother and renounce their faith. But they can NEVER force the prisoners to love them.” Love cannot be forced, or it ceases to be love. I see in what you’re telling me a god that leaves no options for his creations. He chooses the option for them. He forces them. I understand that you believe that what I’m saying is an attack on god’s character. You believe that what I am saying assails God’s sovereignty. But I see what YOU are saying as an attack on God’s character of love. We may simply have to agree to disagree and wait for heaven when we can hear the truth from God Himself. Perhaps I’m reading too much into what you’re saying. Perhaps what I’m saying seems like semantics. Perhaps. If so, then forgive my misjudgment. But I think that we should end this conversation as it’s dangerously close to being a debate. I’ll refrain from saying anymore on this topic. In Christian Love, Ocelot |
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10 | Mark of the Beast | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 167234 | ||
So Doc, what are YOUR beliefs on this issue of the Mark of the Beast, if you don’t mind me asking? It’s not that I even disagree with you, I’m just very curious. Ocelot |
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11 | People on other planets? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 168940 | ||
Now I don’t want you to take any offense to this, but are you saying that all that universe out there is all for decoration? Not that that’s beyond God. But it just seems to me anyway, that God would be creating millions of inhabited worlds. I don’t really have any scripture to back that up though. Regarding your comment on how probable it is that there’s another planet inhabitable like Earth, probability wouldn’t be an issue where God is concerned. Not that I’m disagreeing with you. Oh well, this may be one of those “Questions for Heaven”. Ocelot |
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12 | Is sacrifice requirement to christianity | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 171538 | ||
Hi Mark. This might be a tad off subject, but I thought it was worth repeating. A couple of months ago, my pastor made the comment that he had a spiritual exercise for us congregants. He said “Today, I’d like you to do a spiritual exercise. Get your family together and go down to your nearest landfill and look at everyone’s treasure. See the treasures that people fought over. That people stressed about. That people neglected their families for.” It really stuck with me. Ocelot |
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13 | god shouldn't send people to hell. | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 171985 | ||
Dear Jeff, Thank you for your post. Unfortunately, you misunderstood me. I was not condoning “arguing with God”. I was simply explaining how I believe the Bible teaches that “hell” is a temporary thing ending in the destruction of the wicked. As for pointing someone to a web site, unfortunately, I only have internet at work, and therefore don’t have time to get into a deep (and certainly controversial) Bible study. Thanks again for your post. Ocelot |
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14 | god shouldn't send people to hell. | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 172028 | ||
Dear Jeff, Thank you for your kind response. I appreciate your Christian character and way of handling this very much. I agree with just about all of what you said. And any part I disagree with isn’t worth debating over :-) Once again, I appreciated your last post. Have a good weekend. (I’m done with MY week) Ocelot |
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15 | Adam born a man or baby | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 172792 | ||
Hello mrb7610, From all Biblical indications, Adam was created a fully formed and functional adult man (minus a belly button). For anyone to assume otherwise would be purely speculation, and not very good speculation at that, since the Bible seems to imply that Adam named all of the animals and got married on his first day of life :-) Ocelot |
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16 | Only if caught in the act | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 172793 | ||
Hello mrb7610, I think it would be safe to say that the Bible does not say such a thing. Ocelot |
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17 | Is this scripture? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 175754 | ||
Not to be contrary or anything, but I think it was actually Fredrick Nietzche that said “That which does not kill me makes me stronger.” Ocelot |
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18 | Keep the Sabbath Holy? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 190999 | ||
Just an informational note. You said, in regards to the Sabbath: "Be very careful about the SDA doctrines. They are rooted in the teachings of Ellen White..." The Adventist doctrine of The Sabbath was actually impressed upon the Adventist church, who were known as Millerites and were in fact Sunday keepers at the time, by a Seventh-day Baptist lady (not Ellen White), who's name eludes me. At that time, Ellen White was not involved in the leadership of the church. Just some information. Ocelot |
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19 | Keep the Sabbath Holy? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 191000 | ||
Just a note: Revelation 1:10 does NOT mention the first day of the week. It does NOT mention the seventh day of the week. It simply says "the Lord's day". We are left to interpret what that means based on scripture. Ocelot |
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20 | Keep the Sabbath Holy? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 191001 | ||
Dear Doc, You may find these quotes interesting. "The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." "The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416). "The ancient Christians were very careful in the observance of Saturday, or the seventh day...It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assembles on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same." "Antiquities of the Christian Church," Vol.II Book XX, chap. 3, sec.1, 66. 1137,1138. Ocelot |
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