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1 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243478 | ||
I read Hebrews 6 and found no verse saying "a person can lose his salvation." | ||||||
2 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243481 | ||
Here is the verses: 4 "For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame." Not only is the sentence "a person can lose his salvation" not here, not even the word salvation here. Since your assertion is not expressly given here, you must have deduced it from the above verses. Can you show how you logically got from the above statements to "a person can lose his salvation"? |
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3 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243485 | ||
Someone asked why are there so few posts on SBF now-a-days. This may be an example of the reason: not allowing open, honest discussion of difficult issues in God's Word. I can see the restriction if we became ugly with each other, but that hasn't happened so far. Well it said that it's a temporary restriction. Maybe they'll lift it in a couple of days. |
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4 | Earth's fate | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243618 | ||
Prov. 9:10, "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding." I follow Gordon H. Clark in his defense of the Gospel, not VanTil. Although they are both called presuppositionalist, their apologetics is quite different. Clark's seminal book on the subject is "A Christian View of Men and Things." http://www.trinitylectures.org/christian-view-of-men-and-things-the-works-of-gordon-haddon-clark-volume-book-p-211.html |
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5 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243630 | ||
You have yet to logically show how one gets from the express word of God in Hebrews 6:4-6 to the conclusion "a person can lose his salvation." Your argument seems to be that a person cannot be enlightened without being saved, that is, "All who are enlightened are saved." Can this proposition be supported by Scripture? This proposition too awaits to be proven by Scripture. For your convenience I repost the verses: 4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. |
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6 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243633 | ||
What is the argument for your position,? Is it that a person cannot have all these experiences and not be saved? Or that a person cannot have anyone of these experiences and not be saved? Or is there one in particular that he cannot have and not be saved? All, some or one in particular? At any rate the premise of your argument seems to be "All who have had all, some or one of these experiences are saved." Which one is it and what is your Scripture that it is so? I want to keep the passage before us so we won't lose sight of what we are studying: Heb. 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, Heb. 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, Heb. 6:6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. As of yet you've given no logical argument of how you deduce from the above passage the conclusion "A person can lose his salvation." I know a believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, but what is the proof from Scripture that only saved people can "partake" of any benefits of the presence of the Holy Spirit? |
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7 | Cor 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope... | Bible general Archive 2 | Lionstrong | 132357 | ||
In 1611 the Greek word agape was translated into the English word charity. In the late 20th century it was translated into the English word love. So for me the question is, does the meaning of the word "charity" as used by speakers of 17th century English reflect the meaning of the word love to 20th century English speakers. And of more importance, is the meaning of the word love to 20th century English speakers faithful to the meaning of the Greek word agape? I think it is. By the way, the New American Standard Bible is not “another book” as you seem to think. It is a translation of the same Book that you have a translation of. The KJV and the NASB are both good translations of the Word of God. Both are faithful, believing translations of the Book. |
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8 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Lionstrong | 142539 | ||
Yes, I think saved persons can commit and have committed suicide. If believers have murdered others (think King David) then why is not conceivable that some may murder themselves? Is suicide a sin? Do Christians sin? Then some Christians have committed this sin also. Does this sin nullify the grace of God? I think not! | ||||||
9 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Lionstrong | 142545 | ||
If he kills himself it is, Ed. Unless you want to change the definition. We must go by the Word, and let God be the judge of who belongs to Him. But I see no Scriptural basis for saying that this sin is impossible for a true believer to commit. Like I said, if true believers have murdered others (think King David), why is it inconceivable that they might murder themselves? Concerning states of mind, mightn't a bout of depression cloud our judgement so to commit this sin, which at other times we would not even consider? What makes this sin so impossible? Of course suicide makes no sense for a Christian, but does committing even the least sin ever make sense? Even as devout believers we don't always have our heads on straight! Again, look at King David! I'm not near the spiritual giant he was, yet talk about bloopers! He takes the cake! Yet God's mercy is abundant! |
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10 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Lionstrong | 142854 | ||
How is it far different when King David's solution to his problem was murder, and suicide is self murder? In both cases murder was used as a solution. And again the depressed person may not be thinking clearly as is too often the case even when we're not depressed! | ||||||
11 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Lionstrong | 142877 | ||
To the extent that a believer is thinking straight on the basis of the Gospel (John 3:16), I agree, suicide makes no sense, and we are incline to think, "How can he be a believer and do that!?" Christ commands us and we take communion as often as we do to be reminded of John 3:16. I think the Lord gave us communion because of our weakness -- our weakness to forget, our weakness which needs constant reminders, our weakness which requires that we readjust our thinking back to the grace of God in Christ. I would be careful not to write off people who commit this sin as being unbelievers. "I am weak but He is strong." A true believer in his weakness can do some pretty "unthinking" things and in a moment of clouded judgment not remember John 3:16 and it wonderful implications. |
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12 | Suicide.....Hell or no. | Bible general Archive 2 | Lionstrong | 142882 | ||
2 Sam 17:23 Now when Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his donkey and arose and went to his home, to his city, and set his house in order, and strangled himself; thus he died and was buried in the grave of his father. 1 Sam 31:4 Then Saul said to his armor bearer, "Draw your sword and pierce me through with it, otherwise these uncircumcised will come and pierce me through and make sport of me." But his armor bearer would not, for he was greatly afraid. So Saul took his sword and fell on it. 1 Sam 31:5 When his armor bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died with him. Matt 27:5 And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself. Rom 15:4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. "I see the discussion as serving no purpose and its only fruit is more hurt. I repent for having ever commented on the subject and in the further will respond to any such question much the way we respond to the question who did Cain marry. Personally I would like to see Lockman add the subject of suicide to the list of no no discussions." Ed, I would urge you not to pursue such a course to put suicide on the black list. Many people face suicide and may want to know if there's hope. This is a Study Bible forum and God's word not only deals frankly with the subjects of suicide and hopelessness, but gives a wonderful answer to both in the salvation found only in Christ our hope. |
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13 | Is God responsible for evil? | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 4097 | ||
Q.1 Is God the primary cause of evil? A. 1 John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. Had there been no creation there would be no evil. So, yes, God is the primary cause of evil. Q. 2 Or is God liable to be called on to answer for evil? A. 2 1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. Since there is only one God, there is no one for him to answer to. So, no, God is not liable to be called on to answer for evil. Q. 3 Or is God to blame for evil? A. 3. Blame same as liable. See A. 2. Q. 4 Is it all His fault? A. 4. "All His fault" equals "all because of Him" (This how I understand the question. Correct me if I took the meaning of this or any of your questions wrongly.) Ultimately, yes. See A. 1. Yours for His sake and for mutual understanding of His word, Lionstrong |
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14 | What is the Holy Spirit? | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 4118 | ||
Just a note in passing: "What" is a legitimate question if you don't know what something is. | ||||||
15 | Is God responsible for evil? | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 4119 | ||
Look at how JV defines "responsible," Hank, then look at the scripture that I base my answers on. Please, don't blast me, Hank. This is a Bible study forum. Let's pray for each other and search God's word together. Don't be afraid; God is Sovereign and Good. Let's trust Him to guide us.... or if need be, judge us. Peace in the Lamb Lionstrong |
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16 | Is God responsible for evil? | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 4174 | ||
Thanks, Hank, for your response. One correction: I did not write that God is to blame for evil. One more thing I'd like you to notice in connection with the above correction: JV was kind enough to break down what he meant by "responsible," namely primary cause, to answer for, blame, and fault. I responded to each part, saying yes to primary cause, no to answer for, no to blame, and yes to fault. So you see I couldn't give and unqualified yes to responsible. If someone asked me to give an answer without defining responsible, I'd say "no." One thing I've noticed, looking at my answer again: I would have been clearer if I had changed the word primary to ultimate. The same adjective should be applied to fault. In the chain of causes the car maker and the house builder (and the aircraft manufacturer) have a place. The first cause of all events happened at creation by an almighty and good God. So, my references to John 1and 2 Cor were appropriate. |
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17 | Is God responsible for evil? | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 4191 | ||
One more note, Hank. I appreciate your use of logic. I do! Sometimes I get the impression from some Christians that it's a sin to use logic with the Word of God. Lionstrong |
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18 | Is whate'er my God ordains right? | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 5436 | ||
My point, dear charis, is as the song of our faith says, whate'er my God ordains IS right. The answer to the secod question is no. God does what He does because it pleases Him to do so (Ps 115:3, Ps 135:6) And because He does it, it must be good. My point is that there is no rule above God to which He must conform. He Himself is the rule. I used the words "in other words" because the next two question are really the same as the first two, but it more clearly shows how rediculous it is to put any rule above (or besides) Him. Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt :) Peace in the Lamb Lionstrong (male) not Lioness-strong (female :) |
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19 | Is whate'er my God ordains right? | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 5763 | ||
Brother, charis, Let me try to add a little clarity Responsible defined: 1. Liable to be required to give account, as of one's actions or of the discharge of a duty or trust. 2. Involving personal accountability or ability to act without guidance or superior authority: a responsible position within the company. 3. Being a source or cause. This come from the American Heritage Dictionary. These are not all the definitions, but do you notice the first one? In a dictionary, the first definition is either the most used meaning or the original meaning. Now, I understand that the word can be used to mean cause, but the first definition is to be required to give an account. The first definition, of course does not apply to God. He answers to no one. And that's why in my above posting I said that God is not responsible. And that is also why I asked JV how he was defining the word. How can anyone disagree that God is the first cause of all things? Granted, God didn't cause Satan to tempt Eve, He didn't cause Cain to murder Abel, or the low lifes to bear false witness against Naboth the Jezreelite. God is not the author of sin, but why don't people understand that had there been no creation there would have been no serpent and Eve, no Cain and Abel, and no Ahab and Naboth? To put it in another way, God is the cause of evil, the ultimate cause, not the immediate cause. Yours in the Sovereign Christ, Lionstrong |
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20 | Babies in heaven when they die? | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 5987 | ||
This would be a case in point for the death of a believer's child, but not an unbeliever's. I have suffered the lost of a child. So I, too, as a believer take comfort in this passage. | ||||||
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