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1 | number conflict? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 196741 | ||
Since I have never met the person or know his heart, I will not judge him as lost, a fool, or a numskull! Matthew 7:1-2 | ||||||
2 | number conflict? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 196763 | ||
Thank you Cheri! | ||||||
3 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205569 | ||
Doc, Someone, at sometime, must have made the decision that when Jesus gave the only sign that he was the Messiah by saying “three days and three nights” that it was an idiom. I read John Gill on the subject concerning Matthew 12:40 wherein he took it as an idiom that when Jesus was placed into the tomb just before sunset, that counted as a full day and night, Saturday counted as a full day and night and whatever time Jesus may have been in the tomb on Sunday was the 3rd day and night. So what Jesus really said was “as Jonah was one day and one night and parts of two other days in the belly of the sea monster, so will the Son of Man be between 24 hours, 2 minutes and 72 hours in the heart of the earth.” This is the only sign Jesus said that he would give that he was the Messiah! 2 Peter 1:20 states, “But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation. . .” John Gill does not back up his interpretation with scripture; therefore it does not comply with the requirement of 2 Peter 1:20. My question remains, what scriptures interpret “three days and three nights” to mean anytime between 24 hours, 2 minutes and 72 hours? Thank you for your assistance. Jim |
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4 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205608 | ||
Hi Val, If there are no scriptures that show that "three days and three nights" is an idiom, then it is not. "Three days and three nights" must be taken on its face as meaning exactly what it says. If I take "three days and three nights" to mean something else, then it must be supported by scripture. I am not entitled to make my own private interpretation. (2 Peter 1:20) Jim |
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5 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205627 | ||
Hi Tamara, Many thanks for your response and effort in answering my question. You said “Fact - Jesus said He too would be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights, that makes that part fact, right?” Correct, I agree. You said “Okay now turn to Mark 15:42-47 - Jesus was buried the day before Sabbath could begin, the Sabbath begins on Saturday, so Jesus was buried on Friday. Yes, Jesus was buried just as the Sabbath was to begin. (Luke 23:54) However, this was not the weekly Sabbath observed on Saturday. This was the Sabbath that took place on the first day of the Passover feast. This Sabbath could occur on any day of the week. (John 19:31) There were two Sabbaths that week. This is why it was possible for the women to buy spices after the Passover Sabbath and prepare them before the Saturday Sabbath. You said, “Look down at Mark 16:1-6 - Mary and the women came on the first day of the week to anoint Jesus and get told, He is risen that morning of the first day of the week.” Please read that again. It says, “He has risen; He is not here; behold, here is the place where they laid Him.” It does not say he arose that morning. Mark 16:9 says “Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.” My understanding is the New Testament Greek is without punctuation. The punctuation was added by translators. It could just as easily read, “Now after He had risen, early on the first day of the week He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.” You said, “What Jesus actually was saying was accurate when you factor in that what He meant was figuratively a period, not twenty four hour periods. This issue is about a figure of speech, it has to do with the use of the word Hemera as being it's last listed meaning - a figurative period.” I don’t think Jesus would state it that way when this was to be the only sign he would give the Jews that he was the Messiah. John 11:9 Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. Thanks again, Jim |
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6 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205628 | ||
Hi WOS, Thank you for your response. Matthew 24:4 “And Jesus answered and said to them, ‘See to it that no one misleads you’.” We should not be relying on “those far more knowledgeable,” but we should examine the scriptures with eagerness to determine the truth of the matter. (Acts 17:10-11) Jim |
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7 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205634 | ||
Brother Tim, That is an excellent question! I would say the following scriptures would apply: Genesis 1:5 – God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. Genesis 1:13 – There was evening and there was morning, a third day. John 11:9 - Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But, for the sake of discussion, “three days and three nights” was meant to be one day and parts, perhaps only minutes, of two other days. Then my question is: who decided Jesus was crucified on Friday as opposed to Thursday or Wednesday and why? Under this reasoning could it not have been any of those days? Next question: Does this way of thinking by the Hebrews also apply to scripture concerning 7 days and/or 40 days? Example: the spies for Israel spent 40 days spying out the promise land. Could this have been 38 days and just small parts of two other days? They certainly got the full 40 years of punishment! Were the three days of thick darkness in Egypt really only one day and parts of two nights? I have tried to look at 2 Peter 1:20 in different ways, but keep coming back to the fact that “scripture interprets scripture.” I figured that is where the quote must have come from. I would really appreciate your elaboration on the point. Many thanks, Jim |
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8 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205637 | ||
Hi WOS, The original question I had: where is the scriptural evidence? You are in error on the point, none has been provided. Please see my response to Tim Moran. I’ve always hear it explained that it was an idiom, but if it was just the way people understood what 3 days and 3 nights was, that still does not address my original question. How do we know from scripture? I don’t think it really matters if you call it an idiom or an understanding. Thanks, Jim |
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9 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205667 | ||
Hi Brother Tim, Sorry if I missed the point. I think 72 hours because this was a sign. If it was anytime between 25-72 hours it would certainly diminish it as a sign. Why would Jesus not say "three days" only or "within three days?" I agree that Peter was not saying that private individuals cannot interpret Scripture, but he referred specifically to prophesy. I think you would still say the same principle applies. You were very clear and I appreciate your answer at a late hour. Thanks, Jim |
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10 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205670 | ||
Hi Tamara, My sincere apologies if I came across too headstrong and I hope I didn’t offend you. You have a great writing style. You always answer the call of the question and cite scripture for your support. I very much appreciate your postings and do learn from them. My personal view is that Jesus was in the tomb for 72 hours. That could only be from just before sunset on Wednesday to just before sunset on Saturday. The Passover Sabbath on Thursday, spices bought and prepared on Friday and then the Saturday Sabbath. One other point I would make is about the two witnesses in Rev. 11. Their ministry appears to be a shadow of Christ ministry in regards to time. They prophesy for three and a half years and then they are killed. They are not placed in a tomb, but are dead for 3 ½ days and then come to life and are taken up into the clouds. I don’t think these 3 ½ days can be disputed. Also, Daniel 9:27 talks about the middle of the week. However, I don’t have a very good understanding of Daniel. Thanks, Jim |
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11 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205752 | ||
Hi Val, When I find scriptures that, on their face, contradict each other I like to study them and see why there is a conflict. (Such as the women buying the spices after the Sabbath, but preparing them before the Sabbath.) Almost without fail, it is due to a wrong interpretation. I have found that the Bible will interpret itself. However, this often results in an interpretation counter to the commonly held view. Views people have held since childhood and by various denominations. Views that people have a personal commitment to. In 1 Thess 5:21 we are told “Test everything. Hold on to the good.” Jesus told us, "If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? (John 3:12) When Paul and Silas arrived in Berea, they went to the synagogue. They found the Bereans to be of noble character. Why? Because they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Paul didn’t tell the Bereans he was an expert and far more knowledgeable than they were and criticize them for checking scripture. So when I submit a question, I’m looking for scripture that I may have overlooked. Some answer the call of the question and support their view with scripture. Others cite some expert or commonly held belief or doctrine, but with no scriptural support. If I don’t accept that, some quickly turn the discussion to personal insults. I don’t have any particular interest in science or math. Would it matter if I did? I’m not sure what you mean about the 72 hours. None of this is about me, but about scripture. I believe with all my heart that Jesus is the Messiah and the Son of God. I also believe he was saying exactly what he meant. Hope this answers your questions. Jim |
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12 | Idiom? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 205775 | ||
Hi Val, No offence taken. I agree with you on the light of the whole Bible and that we are not meant to know everything. I think there are many Bible truths that are counter to the traditions of men. What I think is not important, but I would refer you to my other posts. The debate over 3 days and 3 nights has been long debated and I am sure it will continue to be. I think the scriptures concerning the spices in Mark and Luke offer the solution. If this tread caused some to examine the scriptures more closely, that's not a bad thing. What we believe, we must believe in faith. Jim |
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13 | Where and when did Gentiles originate? | Bible general Archive 4 | Jim Estes | 208098 | ||
Hi homer4v, I think you may be right about Jews being from the House of Judah in modern times, but not in Bible scripture. The name “Jew” is now defined three ways: 1. The Israelite people as they descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. This definition is not scriptural. 2. A descendant of the patriarch Judah, one of the twelve sons of Jacob. This definition is also not scriptural, except to say that they would be Jews as members of the kingdom of Judea. 3. A subject of the kingdom of Judah, or Judean. This is the definition of Jew(s) found in numerous scriptures, including the first scripture to use the term “Jews”. After King Solomon, the nation of Israel was broken, by God, into two nations, Israel and Judea. The 10 tribe northern kingdom of Israel was also called “Ephraim”, after the second son of Joseph, and “Samaria”, after the capitol city. The southern kingdom of Judah was also referred to as “Jerusalem” and the “Jews.” When God made the covenant with Abraham, it was twofold: 1 – He would be the father of many nations and his descendants would be as numerous as the stars or the sand of the sea, too numerous to count; and 2 – In his seed all the nations of the earth would be blessed. This is the promise of the Messiah or Christ. The promise of “many nations” was a birthright promise, which went to the sons of Joseph and later to the northern kingdom of Israel. The promise of the Messiah went to Judah, the southern kingdom. The first use of the term “Jews” in the Bible is found in II Kings 16:6. King Rezin of Syria recaptured Elath from the Jews. King Rezin had waged war against Jerusalem with his ally, King Pekah of Israel! So here you see Israel at war against the Jews! When the kingdoms were divided, God gave to Judah the tribe of Benjamin, so “that David My servant may always have a light before Me in Jerusalem . . .“ Also, many of the tribe of Levi, the priests, moved to Judea because they were replaced by the King of Israel in their priestly duties. These individuals were also referred to as “Jews” because they lived in Judea. There were individual members of other tribes which fled Israel for Judea. These were individuals and not tribes. Judean consisted of two tribes, Judah and Benjamin. Both the tribes of Levi and Simeon were scattered among all the other tribes. Simeon was not absorbed by Judea as some contend. Their land was, but not the tribe itself. When the Judeans (Jews) returned from captivity, as recorded in Ezra and Nehemiah, there were only those from Judah, Benjamin and Levi. The northern kingdom of “Israel”, the heads of which are the birthright holders, are not Jews and are never referred to as such in the Bible. Israel was carried off into captivity by the Assyrians and fell below the historian’s radar. There were only 7,000, yet they would grow to be as numerous as the stars and a group of nations. Later, Judea was carried off into captivity to Babylon. They returned 70 years later and rebuilt the temple. Their descendants are recognized today as Jews. Thus, modern Israel is Ancient Judea, not Ancient Israel. Judea and Israel are yet to be reunited. Where is Ancient Israel today? See Genesis 48 and 49 and Genesis 17:4-6. Your Brother in Christ, Jim |
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14 | Harvest Time | OT general | Jim Estes | 207311 | ||
Very helpful, excellent. Thanks Cheri |
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15 | Jacob's age when Joseph was born | Genesis | Jim Estes | 172570 | ||
Hi All, The traditional view is Jacob was 91 years old when Joseph was born. As stated in previous notes Joseph was 30 years old when he stood before Pharoah plus 7 years of plenty and 2 years of famine before Jacob and Joseph's brothers arrived. Jacob was 130 years old minus Joseph's age of 39 equals Jacob being 91 years old when Joseph was born. An alternate view is "Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh king of Egypt" (Gen 41:46) represents the 30 years from Joseph's calling by God. This would indicate that Joseph was 56 years old (17 plus 30 plus 7 plus 2) when Jacob arrived at age 130. Jacob was 74 years old when Joseph was born. A clear example of this type of calling is encountered in 1 Samuel 13:1 talking about King Saul. A literal translation reads as follows; 1Sam 13:1 A son of a year Saul when he became king .... The text makes it clear Saul was not one year old, yet on the surface this verse appears to be stating he was. This verse is actually stating that Saul was crowned king in the first year since being called by God. Saul became king in the same year he was anointed by God as commander over God's inheritance (1 Sam 10:1). In the traditional view Joseph was in Egypt 22 years (13 plus 7 plus 2)before his father and brothers arrived. In the alternate view Joseph was in Egypt 39 years (30 plus 7 plus plus 2). How can we determine which is correct. We need to look at what the Bible records during those years that Joseph was in Egypt before his family arrived. Joseph was 17 years old when he was sold into slavery by his brothers. His younger brother Benjamin was an infant or very young child. Joseph was born shortly after his half-sister, Dinah (Gen 30:21-25), at the end of Jacob's 14 years of service to Laban. Jacob then worked an additional 6 years (Gen 31:41). After that Jacob moved his family to Shechem. At Shechem Dinah was defiled (Gen 34). She was of an age to be married, 14-16 years old. Then Jacob was told by God to go up to Bethel and dwell (Gen 35:1). On this journey Benjamin was born (Gen 35:18-19). When Benjamin arrived in Egypt he would have been about 22-24 years old (traditional view) or 39-41 years old (alternate view). When he arrived in Egypt, he had ten sons (Gen 46:21). So Benjamin either married very young or the traditional view is incorrect. Also, after Joseph was sold into slavery, his brother Judah married a Canaanite woman (Gen 38). They had three sons who all grew to be adults. This would take at least 20 years. Then Judah had twin sons by Tamar. Their names were Perez and Zerah (Gen 38:27-30). When Perez arrived in Egypt, he had two sons. This would not be possible within 22 years. Therefore, the traditional view is incorrect. Jacob was 74 years old when Joseph was born. Yours in Christ, Jim Estes |
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16 | Jacob's age when Joseph was born | Genesis | Jim Estes | 172651 | ||
Hello Searcher, This is from my own study. However, I do wish to thank Mr. Colin Heath of Australia (BibleInsight) for the information concerning the calling of King Saul. Colin came to the same conclusion regarding Jacob's age, but for other reasons. Jim Estes |
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17 | Angels or the Cainites with Sethites? | Gen 6:2 | Jim Estes | 198395 | ||
Hi Cheri, See my response to Bandit on this thread. Jim |
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18 | Jewish population, why so small? | Gen 15:5 | Jim Estes | 174515 | ||
Thanks Wisdom111 and Doc for your answers. Wisdom 111 you say that God fulfilled his promise to Abraham, but you do not tell me how he did it. If God promised the Jews they would be so numerous, then why are they so few? Doc, I take your answer to be that the promise has been fulfilled in Abraham’s countless spiritual children, therefore it is not necessary to fulfill the promise in the actual Jewish people. I would disagree. I believe that God has done exactly what he promised. But, we are just looking in the wrong place if we think that the world population of Jews, less than 15 million, fulfills the promise God made to Abraham. (Numbers 11:23) Ishmael’s descendants are much more numerous, yet he was not subject to the promise. The physical descendants of Abraham, countless as the stars, may be representative of his spiritual children, but it does not negate the promise of countless physical descendants. In the verse prior to Gen 15:15 God tells Abraham that his heir “shall come from your own body . . .” From the context of 15:15 I can’t imagine that God did not mean physical descendants. Also, God set a sign of Abraham’s physical descendants, which is circumcision. Gen 17:11 This is a sign of the Covenant regarding his countless descendants and therefore cannot be speaking of “spiritual children.” God tells Abraham numerous times that his descendants will be countless and that he will be “the father of many nations.” I think you can call these promises of race as opposed to grace. In the Bible, the term Jew is used to describe either a descendant of Judah or a citizen of the Southern Kingdom of Judah. The term is never used to describe the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The promises of “countless descendants” and “father of many nations” were to be fulfilled by the Northern Kingdom of Israel and not by the Jews of the Southern Kingdom of Judah. The tribes of Joseph were of the Northern Kingdom and when Jacob-Israel blessed Ephraim, son of Joseph, he said, “and his offspring shall become a multitude of nations.” Gen 48:19 In the Book of Hosea, written about 722 BC, Hosea writes the following about the Northern Kingdom of Israel at 1:10, “Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or numbered; and instead of it being said to them, You are not My people, it shall be said to them, Sons of the Living God!” This was to be the status of the Children of Israel (the Northern Kingdom) sometime after they were carried off into captivity. These promises are fulfilled in the descendants of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. Who are these “multitude of nations” with “countless” descendants of Abraham. They were first told they were not God’s people, but are now “Sons of the Living God.” Could this mean Christians? These countries practice circumcision, are Christian, and have a multitude of people? There we will find the fulfillment of God’s promise to Abraham. These countries constitute the modern Israel and are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The modern state of Israel is not ancient Israel, but ancient Judah. Someday “the children of Judah and the children of Israel will be gathered together and appoint themselves one head . . .” Hosea 1:11, Isaiah 11 Yours in Christ, Jim Estes |
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19 | Jewish population, why so small? | Gen 15:5 | Jim Estes | 174522 | ||
Doc, I'm sorry you feel that way and my sincere apologies for offending you. That was not my intent. It was my intent to broaden my understanding of scripture. Many of the points I made were the result of reading over scripture which you cited, i.e. Hosea 1. However, I will take your comments to heart and in the future just make it a note and ask for comments. I did not realize how it was coming across and I will be more careful in the future. Please accept my sincere apologies. Yours in Christ, Jim Estes |
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20 | Israel in Egypt 430 yrs? | Gen 15:13 | Jim Estes | 172565 | ||
Thank you for your response. However, the Bible shows that the Israelites did return to Canaan in four generations, not four centuries. Kohath, being the first generation, was one of the original 70 Hebrews to arrive in Egypt. He lived 133 years. His son Amram lived 137 years. Amram was the father of Moses, who led the Israelites out of Egypt when he was 80 years old. This being the case, how could they have been in Egypt for 400 years? Also, how could they have been slaves for 400 years, since they did not become slaves until after the death of Joseph, who lived to 110 years(Gen 50:26). Gen. 15:16, when speaking of "strangers dwelling as temporary residents" is refering to Canaan and not Egypt. This verse is talking about both lands, not just Egypt. See Ex 6:4 So what happened 400 years before the Exodus? The birth of Jacob! |
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