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1 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117367 | ||
Hell is the place of the dead. Angels were also sent there. It is not a place of torment for men who die. "The living know they will die, but the dead know nothing" We remain in Hell till the resurrection when we are brought back to life. Hell is not to be feared. Since the dead know nothing, they are not aware of the passage of time or even that they are in hell. Dying in Jan 2,1004 and being resurrected in Dec 3,2205 IF that were the date of the resurrection would, to one not aware of time, seem like a micro second of time. It would be like falling sound asleep for an hour and then waking up. One who is sound asleep is not aware of time or where he is. There is no fire in Hell, neither is Satan there at present. He is active in heaven and on earth to the present day. Hell itself is destroyed after the second resurrection from the dead which occurs after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. When hell is destroyed in this way, there is no more aplace for the dead, because death also is destroyed at that time, so there is no need for a place to hold the dead. Sincerely Henry and Emmy Eccl 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Since no one except Christ has been raised from the dead, Moses being dead is still in hell(the place of the dead) |
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2 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117379 | ||
I have no idea what JW think about hell. This view of hell comes straight out of scriptures, from any translation. Putting these three verses together suggests it is the correct way of looking at it. Eccl 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, verily, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol where you are going. NASB Eccl 9: 10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. KJV There is no knowledge or activity for us while we are in the grave,(sheol/hell) Where one translation uses sheol another uses grave, and still another hell in exactly the same context. Job wished he were there to stop his suffering. Daniel, though beloved of God was told he would die and not be resurrected to life till the end. If they are still dead as is King David, they are still in Sheol the place of the dead. Being in Sheol is same as being in the grave if these translations are correct for the passages above. Other translations equate sheol and hell (same place but named differently in different languages. Job 11:8 It is higher than heaven--what can you do? Deeper than Sheol--what can you know? "DEEPER THAN SHEOL" NRSV Job 11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? "DEEPER THAN HELL" KJV Hell has been so misrepresented in societies over the ages as often depicted in art and story as well as jest, that the truth about hell is all but hidden. Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. David said this conserning Christ. You will not leave my soul in hell implies a resurrection from it. Perhaps one should not dismiss out of hand what others say but look carefully at it, even if it seems to agrees with a statement JW's make. Maybe they don't have EVERYTHING wrong? We see that hell, hades, pit and grave are all the same basic thing, namely the place of the dead. Since the dead know nothing as stated by Solomon in Eccl, and several translations say the dead go to the above places, then without knowing JW's exist the conclusion is still the same. We are dead and know nothing till the resurrection from the dead after Christ comes back, or at the great white throne judgement. Rev 20 describes the first resurrection, and some of those in it. Then it says the rest of the dead did not come back to LIFE till the 1000 years were over. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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3 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117380 | ||
Not watch tower stuff. I do not agree with what JW' teach about scriptures. They may not have everything wrong, but anything I looked into is not recognizable when I read scriptures. I have posted a longer explanation if you are interested Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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4 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117417 | ||
I did only quote one verse Ecc9:5 BUT do not interpret it in isolation. If you were to carefully read any verse about weeping and gnashnig of teeth, you will find it occurs at the judgement when the dead are taken out of hell and are judged. There is no weeping or gnashing of teeth till then, because up to the time of the resurrection, they are dead, and know nothing as it says in Eccl. This interpretation allows for both the dead knowing nothing AND the weeping and gnashing of teeth at the time indicated. Hell and death and those not redeemed at the final judgement are thrown into the lake of fire. 2nd death. There is the wailing and gnashing of teeth as they are judged. The Eccl verse I mentioned should not be read in isolation is true, nor should any verse,but non the less the correct interpretation of scripture must allow for it to be a true saying. To say that Eccl 9:5 contradicts Christ is not possible. The saying that the dead know nothing must be true at some point, or this passage is false. Here is a challenge for you. Find all passages about weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, and try to establish WHEN it happens. I think you will find without exception that it occurs at judgement, which has not yet occured. In the meantme the Eccl 9:5 verse holds true, the dead know nothing. When they are resurrected from the dead, then they know something, in fact they know a lot at judgement, and the sinners at that time will weep and wail and gnash their teeth. Contradict me if you can. Find a verse that mentions weeping and wialing and gnashing of teeth that occurs when people are dead. Or find a verse about the weeping and gnashing of teeth occuring other than at judgement. Also if you would explain what Eccl 9:5 means when it says the dead know nothing, if in fact the dead do know something. Both are not possible. Either the dead know something or the dead know nothing. There is no ground to argue in the middle of these two choices. If it said some dead know something and some know nothing that would be different, but tihs is not the case. It says only the dead know nothing Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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5 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117420 | ||
I have answered that question in quite some detail for another person. You should be able to find it. Challenge for you. Tell me what Jesus taught that contradicts that the dead know nothing or that hell is not the place of the dead, seeing that He went there Himself when He died. He was the only one who did NOT REMAIN THERE, but was resurrected from it. Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Kind David said this concerning Christ. Christ would be in Hell, but He would not be left there. As it turns out He came out from it after three days. No other one has been resurrected from it, ssing that the resurrection hs not occured yet. Eccl 9:5 clearly says the dead know nothing. Did Jesus teach that they do know something? If so please point this out. Is hell anything other than the place for the dead? I am aware that some fallen angels were put there too. But as far as mankind is concerned, the dead are aware of nothing. Verses saying that there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, imply someone is not dead or no longer dead, ie resurrected. Any verses I can find on gnashing of teeth, always refer to people who are alive at the time, or have been resurrected, inwhich case they are alive again, or brought back to life. I can see no instance of where someone dead weeps and wails and gnashes his teeth. I have never known a dead person to do this. Neither do I read in scriptures anywhere that they do. The parable of Lazarus and the rich man, is exactly that, a parable Send me a verse where the dead are aware of something, other than Samuel who was somehow called up from the dead, a thing with which we should not meddle. Sincerely Henry and Emmy. |
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6 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117922 | ||
Hi CDBJ: Paul had a hard life. He says it is of benefit for others that he remain alive to help them. "The living know they will die, but the dead know nothing at all" Eccl 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; This means the dead are not aware of time. Therefore the time from when they die to the time they are resurrected, though it be 2000 years later, it will be to them no more than a nano second. I did not make up Eccl 2:14 The wise man's eyes are in his head, but the fool walks in darkness. And yet I know that one fate befalls them both. It says the same fate befalls them both. How can that mean the same fate does NOT befall them both. What does Eccl 2 above mean to you. Why are those in Rev 69-10 told to wait yet a little while longer? What are they to wait a little longer for? Ans: The first resurection at the time of Christ's coming back to earth. The nano second Paul died would seem to him the same time he is resurrected, because the dead are aware of nothing. This was Paul's preference, so that his struggle between beating and jailings and being hauled to court would be replaced by a what would "appear" like a nano second. The bible says simply that the dead know noting. You argue that they do know something. The bible states all share the same fate in death. You argue they do not. Seems to us that What Paul says, or what it says in Revelation should be in agreement with these two simply stated facts. Paul might have said is advantageous to me to die, because I know the dead are not aware of time, or anything, so it would seem only an instant before I am with the Lord. How do you envision Paul to work Eccl 2 into his statement? In the time of King Saul, Samuel was somehow called up from the dead to speak to Saul. He was not resurrected, but said Saul and his sons would die that day and be with him(Samuel) This is a case for saying Samuel, and Saul went to the same place when they died. Samuel 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, "Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!" 13 The king said to her, "Don't be afraid. What do you see?" The woman said, "I see a spirit coming up out of the ground." 14 "What does he look like?" he asked. "An old man wearing a robe is coming up," she said. Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground. 15 Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" "I am in great distress," Saul said. "The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has turned away from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do." 16 Samuel said, "Why do you consult me, now that the LORD has turned away from you and become your enemy? 17 The LORD has done what he predicted through me. The LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors--to David. 18 Because you did not obey the LORD or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the LORD has done this to you today. 19 The LORD will hand over both Israel and you to the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Righteous Samuel and unrighteous Saul and his sons in the same place. Samuel says you will be with me. That makes a pretty strong case for the same fate for both when we die. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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7 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117929 | ||
Hi CDBJ. Luke 16: 19-31 is a parable. This is even specifically stated as beinga parable. The words in a parable are not to be taken literally. This parable simply teaches that sending one back from the dead would not be a help in saving anyone. We have to row with what we have from the prophets and from Christ. The part of this passage that is parable, is the way the teaching is presented as though the dead converse with each other. The parable does not teach that the dead know something, but the teaching is that no one will be sent back from the dead to save us. I did state that Jesus did rise from the dead, in an earlier posting you responeded to. The parable above no moresays that the dead know something, than the parable of 10 virgins means there were actually ten virgins involved in the teaching. This parable is not about virgins, buut about being ready for the day Christ returns, and not to be surprised being in a wrong state when He arrives. Just as the parable of the 10 virgins is not about virgins, the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is not really about the dead, but the living being instructed no one will be brought from the dead to teach us about everlasting life or warn us about everlasting death. There is no verse that I canthink of that contradicts that statement "the dead know nothing" nor can there be. Because the same Spirit that taught Solomon that the dead know nothing taught Paul that dying is not really as big a deal as many think, and that from tme of death to the resurrection seems but a nano second. Sincerely Henry and Emmy We believe Christ is God by the way. |
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8 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117988 | ||
Hi CDBJ: I am not one to argue, but to converse truthfully and logically. Comment on sleep. When a person dies, the body does not sleep, it decays to dust. 1Corr 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed; This passage says we shall not all sleep, suggesting that some of not most do This cannot be refering to the body sleeping, but the only other part of human existence namely the soul. You say you have many passages that contradict soul sleep. Perhaps you are misinterpreting them by applying the incorrect premise that there is no soul sleep. I assure you that any you can send have a logical interpretation with the premise that there is soul sleep. I do not wish to simply argue any points for the sake of arguement, but will send you my interpretation on any passage that you think say there is no soul sleep, should you be interested. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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9 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 118052 | ||
Hi: The parable teaches that after judgement, there are those that are given everlasting life and those that get everlasting torment in the lake of fire, and that we have to do what we have to do in this life to avoid the wrong outcome in the next one. There is no crosssing over from 2nd death to everlasting life. At this time, after the ressurection (ie being brought back to life) there is awareness of where one is, enjoying everlasting life or having everlasting torment. But the unrighteous dead are not judged or in torment till after the 2nd resurrection at the great white throne. Then, they and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire where there is torment and hell itself is in the same lake of fire, and hell fire applies. The agony in the flame is everlasting torment in the lake of fire. It is also everlasting separation from God. People do not just stop existing,whether righteous or unrighteous, the soul is everlasting, and spends eternity in everlsting life or everlasting death. But, the second death is not one of sleep. It is one of awareness of what one missed out on. It is eternal and strong as you say, and therfore very imortant to get it right. Interpreting this passage allows Solomon's passage also to stand correct, in that at present ,in the first death,which he was speaking of, the dead know nothing. If this were not so, the Spirit would not have taught it to the wisest man on earth at the time. This is talking about one who for his sinning is cast into hell, that is he dies because of the sin he is committing, or dies a sinner. Such a one will be resurrected from hell at the great white throne judgement and becuase he is numbered among the unrighteous dead will be thrown into the lake of fire. It would be better for that person to destroy the part of the body that would make him offend in this manner to die as an unrighteous person. Jesus did not say that a righteous person does not have the same fate as an unrighteous person in that they both go to the same place of the dead, but that dying in sin is the problem that is to be avoided at all cost. If a sinner is thrown into hell (dies) he is in real trouble. If a righteous person dies, he has but what appears as a nano second to wait till he sees Christ and is rewarded. There is no fear in death for the righteous, but only disaster for the unrighteous when they are resurreced in the 2nd resurrection. Sincerely Henry and Emmy. |
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10 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | Emmy | 116130 | ||
People do study the old testament. Perhaps you do not know someone who does, but there are many that do. The new testament is a treasure. The old is a treasure too. See quote below The old testament has many prophesies for times during the new testament. They are both teachings and instructions through the Holy Spirit. IN Old testament times through prophets God chose. In New testament times directly to individual people throughout the world. Quote: Mattew 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old. A scribe refers to a person who knew the OT scriptures. Kingdom of heaven refers to NT times. Thus on knowing the old testament, and also knowing about the Kingdom of God (NT) has two treasures. |
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11 | End of Times ??? | NT general Archive 1 | Emmy | 119309 | ||
1 Th 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day should overtake you like a thief; Does this not say that those knowing Christ will not be overtaken as by a thief. Therefore believers will know or realize when His coming is near? SIncerely Henry and Emmy |
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12 | how can this website help in my reading. | Gen 1:1 | Emmy | 117480 | ||
This website has many differing opinions expressed. You are dependent on the Holy Spirit to teach you. You are dependent on Holy Spirit to be able to know which postings are right and which are wrong. Read scriptures carefully and believe what is simply written there. The scripures are spiritual and are understood through guidance by the Holy Spirit. 1 John 2:27 And as for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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13 | How Do You Stay on Track? | Ps 23:3 | Emmy | 116993 | ||
Dear Henry (Hank) By coincidence I am also Henry (Hank) I tried to have screen name Hank, but it was already taken. Now I know by whom. There is no fear in my not being both gentle and honest in things I post at any time to anyone. It is not always easy to get the tone of a comment in the written word. IF ever you think the tone from me is anything but kind, let me assure you that that would not be the case. As you know I believe once saved is not a guarantee. I know works must go with faith or I have nothing. It is not in my interest or anyone else for me to be impatient or offensive in my dealings with others. If a discussion leads to discord, best not to have the discussion in the first place. Here is a short history on where we come from regarding scriptures. We are simple folk, who noted that Jesus was more acceptable to people who in this system have little power. He was opposed by the very ones who from their studies should have known better, namely those who studied the scriptures. Also opposing him were the powerful who had their interests to protect. We also read that one cannot understand God if we do not have His Spirit. In addition the scriptures are spiritual and must be spiritually discerned. An unbeliever thinks of the truth about God as foolishness. The Spirit is our teacher and we have no need of another person to teach us. Everything we hear no matter who says it must be considered carefully to see if it is true or not. The ability for us to do this comes from havingthe Spirit. We depend on it to inform us and verify or reject what we hear. Credentials of learned people cannot be trusted at face value. There are two reasons for this. There is wide disagreement among the "experts" and weare to put our trust in only ONE. We believe the bible is simply written. There are parables and likenesses, but unless it is otherwise stated, or clearly the case, we ought to read with it in mind, that what it says is exacly what it means ie literally. It seems logical that if God wants the bible to enlighten us, He did not instruct it to be written so it would be hard to read or understand. If you for instance want someone to learn a skill of some kind, would it not make sense to write the instructions as simple to understand as possible. We feel the bible is written so simply that generally the world is overlooking the true meaning, thinking for some reason that it should be complicated. The bible is a true miracle. It can be studied and studied with little or no learing taking place. The Spirit is needed for us to interpret it correctly. If we do not have it, we are bound not to understand. We have nothing worldly to protect when we look to the bible to learn. No money is involved. We have no organization to defend in any way. There is no agenda to protect other than to learn the truth. A person with a string of doctorates in theology, or great respect from people in general hold no more sway over our hunt for the real truth than does a person who claims to know nothing about it. We depend solely on the Spirit to teach and guide us. We hold no premises and try to make the scriptures fit them. Our premise on each topic stems from what we read first. We are open to having others suggest we are wrong, because we find that considering view points of others can sharpen our own understanding. If someone else says something that differs with our view, we consider it carefully. What is right we accept, what is not we reject. We can do this if the Spirit guides us. Until the Spirit reveals a thing, we leave options open. We study scriptures regularly, and find as I said that the scripures are very simple to understand if one lets the Spirit guide, with no other motive in mind but to learn the truth. Even Revelation is simple and clear if one takes this approach. Just believe what is simply stated. The world at large think it is hard to understand, and so it is if the Spirit does not guide. This is why there is so great a variety about what people think the bible is saying. There are so many different interpretations because those reading it are not lead by Holy Spirit. If everyone reading it were lead by the Holy Spirit they would be of ONE accord. Sincerely Emmy and Henry (Hank) |
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14 | The dead know nothing ??? | Eccl 9:5 | Emmy | 118663 | ||
Hi Rex: You mean the dead know noting means they are aware of nothing??? Just checking. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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15 | The dead know nothing ??? | Eccl 9:5 | Emmy | 118678 | ||
Thank you for the response. I read it the same way by the way. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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16 | The dead know nothing ??? | Eccl 9:5 | Emmy | 118804 | ||
Hi Emmaus: This is a good way to pose a question. If you do not agree with a statement, consider other passages that seem to be related. To say that the verse about the dead knowing nothing must not be read in isolation from the passages you quote here is to imply that the verses you quote must not be read in isolation from the passage about the dead knowing nothing. Both statements have to be true. Until one sees an interpretations that allow both statement to stand, one should keep looking, and not say the one they do not like is wrong. Statement: the dead know nothing. Statement: Samuel came out of the ground from the dead to speak to King Saul. Both went back to the place of the dead, in the earth. Conclusion: The dead know nothing, BUT there is the possibility for calling someome from the dead to be in a body for a short time and then return to the place of the dead in the state of knowing nothing. Jesus did this for Lazarus and numerous others. Therefore while in the place of the dead, the dead are not aware of anything. But there are examples of people being recalled from the dead, at which time they are aware, as Samuel was, and also Lazarus. Elijah-John the Baptist-One Witness in Revelation. These are the same people. Elijah did not die but was translated the first time he was here. He came the second time as John the Baptist. He will come again as one of the witnesses in the end times before all things are restored. Elijah is surely a very special case. There seems to be a possiblilty of one other person who goes thesame route. Elijah translated, comes back as John the Baptist, is killed, is seen in the transfiguration, is to come again in the end times, is killed, comes back to life and is transslated again. Surely he is a hard man to keep down. Makes one wonder if he ever really among the dead for long. The first resurrection has not yet occured. This is to happen after Christ returns in the end times. Resurrection means bring back to life if I have that right. Just after the first resurrection it says the rest of the dead were not brought back to life till the 1000 years are over. Rev 20:5 This means those in the first resurrection were dead just moments before it. Matt 22:32 God is God of the living not the God of the dead. This does not mean we do not die, but we are not dead to God. We are only asleep for a moment between dying and the first resurrection. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; This clearly says believers do die, but will be resurrected. God is that God of those who are spiritually alive. He is not the God of those spiritually dead. They have other gods, in that they worship gods of stone, metal, money or anything else that has no life in it. There is a passage refering to a person who is physically alive but already dead. Can't find it at present. Thus dead has more than one meaning in scripture. Therefore context dictates which to apply. Phsically dead Spiritually dead. God is God of the spiritually alive God is not the God of the spiritually dead. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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17 | The dead know nothing ??? | Eccl 9:5 | Emmy | 118821 | ||
Hi Colin: Matt 17:12 but I say to you, that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." This clearly says as Elijah was killed, so He(Jesus) was to be put to death. Now we know Elijah was not killed when He was here firs time, He was killed as John and Baptist. Perhaps you cannot see it that way, buy we cannot see it as anything other than what I have suggested. A difference of opinion ought not as is often the case cause hard feelings among believers, unless the teachings are anti-Christ. I trust you agree. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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18 | Please explain Isaiah 60 verse 1 | Is 60:1 | Emmy | 116157 | ||
Isaiah 60:1 Isaiah 60:1 "Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the LORD rises upon you. This verse addresses Jerusalem on which the glory of the Lord will shine. This is to happen in the future. Verse 14 below actually states that it is Jerusalem(Zion)being addressed in this chapter. Isaiah 60:14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you; all who despise you will bow down at your feet and will call you the City of the LORD, Zion of the Holy One of Israel. |
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19 | A question of logic in timing | Matt 24:15 | Emmy | 117876 | ||
Hi: Tilt. With all respect,you did not attempt to answer the questions posted. You sent instead other people's interpretations. You are not obliged to answer the questions posted, but here they are again should you decide to do so. Can you find a contradiction in the logical timing. Is there an indication in the bible that the mark of the beast comes before tribulations start? Sincerely Henry and Emmy. |
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20 | A question of logic in timing | Matt 24:15 | Emmy | 118086 | ||
Hi: A question of logic and timing restated. Definition: Resurrection: Bringing back to life people who have died. Definition: Changed in the twinkling of an eye: People who are in Christ at the time of His coming, have their mortal bodies changes to immortal bodies without dying at all Definition: Rapture: This word is not used in scripture We use instead what scriptures use "meet the Lord in the air" Many refer to this as "snatched away" or "rapture". Definition: Meet the Lord in the air. This will happen to those who are resurrected at his coming, and those living in Christ at the time of His coming. They will literally rise from the earth and meet Christ in the air. It seems logical that the dead are resurrected and the living changed before they meet the Lord in the air ( are snatched away) It is the 1st resurrection that holds the critical clues. Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and those seated on them were given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God. THEY HAD NOT WORSHIPPED THE BEAST OR ITS IMAGE AND HAD NOT RECEIVED ITS MARK ON THEIR FOREHEADS OR THEIR HANDS They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Combining Rev 20:4 and your view that resurrection, changing in the twinkling of an eye and meeting the Lord in the air occur simultaneously If people are BEHEADED for resisting the BEAST, his IMAGE and the MARK, then logically then the BEAST, his IMAGE and the MARK will all here before they are killed. Therefore the BEAST, IMAGE and MARK will all be here before they are resurrected. Therefore the BEAST, IMAGE and MARK will all be here before the those in Christ are changed Therefore the BEAST, IMAGE and MARK come before the Meeting of the Lord in the air. Therefore the BEAST, IMAGE and MARK come before the "Rapture" if rapture has anything to do with resurrection of the dead, changing in the twinkling of an eye, or meeting the Lord in the air. Simply put: The BEAST, IMAGE and MARK precede the first resurrection, changing in the twinkling of an eye and meeting the Lord in the air. But the activity of the beast, image of the beast, and mark of the beast take place DURING the TRIBULATION period. Therefore the resurrection cannot precede the coming of the beast or the image or the mark. Therefore the rapture cannot precede the tribulations. Stated otherwise: It is NOT possible to have the first resurrection before the beast, image and mark of the beast. and have even ONE person of the first resurrection who was beheaded for refusing the beast, image and mark of the beast. Therefore it is impossible for the resurrection, changing and meeting the Lord in the air to occur before the tribulation period. We can find no contradiction in the logic. If you or anyone else can please point it out. Thanks Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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