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Results from: Answers On or After: Thu 12/31/70 Author: xina Ordered by Date |
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1 | The raven (Gen 8:7)... | Gen 8:7 | xina | 182100 | ||
Wow, I've clearly hit a nerve. I'm sorry for offending you 3, if I have. I find it notable that with all the birds he could have sent out he sent two as different in nature as the raven and the dove and I do think there is some significance there. And while I may be overeaching in my quest to find it I don't think it should be ignored either. If we are to gain nothing from the raven and all that is significant is the dove, then why mention him at all? Why not skip this this verse and go straight to 8 if the dove were all that mattered? I think there's an important contrast and am just looking to find it. It's not about really about spiritual vs historical for me. Sure it happened but alot more than is in those two chapters would have happened in those 7 mos so there's a reason it's noteworthy. Could someone try to focus on clearing up it's significance to me instead of just jumping on my case for guessing? No one seems to want to talk about the raven... I would appreciate insights not just pertaining to allegory or overemphasis, but to the raven and this verse--especially if you have an insight that I may be missing or may not have considered--but there's no need to beat a dead horse. And while I value contrasting viewpoints, maybe more so than people agreeing with me, and I don't mind many people sharing the same viewpoint but I do not understand the need for multiple posts from the same person saying essentially the same thing (I think your 2nd long post would have sufficed and amply made your points, but the 3rd was needlessly repetative). And though I appreciate it nonetheless, I still feel no more comprehensive of the verse... and would appreciate some insight on the verse as well as on myself. So instead of just "you're off base and that's not good because..." how about some "you're off base, I think it's more like..." answers would be greatly appreciated and are currently requested. |
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2 | What or who are the Nephilim? | Gen 6:4 | xina | 182067 | ||
I really I find the "Sons of God/daughters of men/Nephilim" bit confusing myself so I'm probably not the best person to answer but... The Nephilim were the offspring produced between the Sons of God and the daughters of men (v.4). I got the impression this was not smiled upon for some reason--not knowing who the Sons/daughters refers to I can't comment there. But I think the second part of the same verse "heroes of old, men of renown" clearly suggests they were famous and/or admired by the people of the world--the entire definition of hero/renown, and really in my opinion is in keeping with the concept of 'giant' the idea that they were larger than life/the stuff legends were made of, etc--which to me implies that there may have even been some idolatry going on, and that God clearly did not approve of those allowing themselves to become idols and those doing the idolizing (v.5-6) and regretful enough to contemplate destroying them all (v.7). There's lots of speculation about angel/man and Seth's line/Cain's line mixing and maybe one of those is true and maybe it isn't I have no idea... But it seems intentionally vague and is not a time of one of those long Biblical genologies so I think any answer outside of some possible valuable insight lost in the translation from the Hebrew is really just specualative anyway so go with what rings true to you... But regardless of who they were, there are some clear indications of how they may have been invovled in the prevalence of evil that lead God to destroy them. And the fact that Noah wasn't participating in the idolatry seems to me why he was spared--"Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God." (v.9)--Noah chose to be devoted to a fact which is illuminated not just here within the contrast, but in the following chapters as he unwaveringly places his trust, faith, and obedience in God... I think this idea that you need nothing more than to put God above all things to be sheltered by His grace seems a pervasive theme of the Bible so it rings more poigniant to me... Good luck getting some direction in finding what you seek though. |
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