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Results from: Answers On or After: Thu 12/31/70 Author: jesusfreak508@aol.com Ordered by Date |
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1 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58744 | ||
Now I have to tell you what I found out in my studies since yesterday. The reference to the law isn't to OT or Talmudic law, although the Pharisees had rules and Temple traditions on women but they seemed to be to the men forbidding them to talk to women, but there is a good argument for this to be referring to local civil law in Corinth! The law existed anyway. |
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2 | 508, Are you a DQed overseer? | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58638 | ||
lol. I see now. So I have to have walked in his shoes to feel compassion and mercy for a fellow Christian. No. I am not a disqualified overseer. I have never even known anyone who stood at risk of such a thing. Where does this term "disqualified overseer" come from anyway? I don't ever recall seeing it in the Scriptures. You point me the James 3:1; now, I would likewise suggest you have a prayer over James 3:2 and James 3:17 and James 4:11,12 and James 5:9 and James 5:15. Mercy and compassion are also Scriptural. So how do you judge me as someone "who cannot follow what Scripture clearly tells us" because those are the Scriptures that tug at my spirit? Why are the only Scriptures you give praise to in this situation the ones that punish and condemn? And do you do this in all situations? I wonder why does that make you a good Christian, and me a "you people" who is less than you? |
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3 | 508, what about lifelong consequences? | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58636 | ||
Romans 7:5,6 For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. (6) But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Romans 5:20 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:14,15,18 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. (15)What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!....(18)You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. Romans 8:3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, (4)in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. There are many many more, but what I meant was that if you choose to make the law your way to salvation, then you are surely going to die, because no one has ever been able to keep every letter of it and that is the requirement of living under the law. In Acts 14:10, 11 Peter says "Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?(11)No! We believe it is through the grace our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are." We keep the law because that is the blueprint or roadmap God gave us to show us and guide us in how He wants to live and treat with each other. But we HAVE LIFE because of God's grace. Because we are God's children, His beloved, those whom He gave His Son's life to restore, those who have given themselves to His Son, then we obey the law from love and obedience. The law can't kill us anymore because we are promised life through grace. But if you say the law, keeping the law is how you are seeking eternal life, then you are saying that by works, by something you do, you can earn your salvation. Grace is the only way to salvation and life. That's what I meant if you choose law over grace then you die. Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. Galatians 5:13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. (14)The entire law is summed up in a single command: Love your neighbor as yourself (15) If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfullness, (23)gentleness and self control. Against such things there is no law. |
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4 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58599 | ||
Paul was dealing with an outpouring of Spirit in Corinth. The Pharisee in him wanted to control it and subject it to rules. His 'God is not the author of confusion' comment sounds so wise and noble, and he is ever quick to pull out his authority as an Apostle. 'You should listen to me even when I am not speaking from the Lord because I am one the Lord has found trustworthy' (1Cor 7:25) The authority he quotes though is Temple Law. He says Tongues are for the unbelievers. (1Cor 14:20-22). A surprise for Peter and the other 120 with him (Acts 1:15)--men and women, on the day of Pentacost to learn. Acts 2:4 says "All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them." Who was the unbeliever locked up in that house among them? Paul saw himself as THE apostle though. I don't buy the Christian to Christian gentle rebuke motive for him in the Peter incident either. Not with comments like 1Cor 15:9,10 "For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle,.....But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them..." Catholics call it the throne of Peter, but they take their doctrine straight from Paul. They love the rules and the 'you gotta come through me' attitude he held. He even says that if the Spirit gives any spiritual gifts to anyone that person should be ignored unless they acknowledge that what Paul says is the Lord's command. (1Cor 14:37) Have you ever wondered why God wouldn't let Paul go into certain areas to spread the Gospel? I've always got the impression it was because he would have done more harm than good. He was awfully full of himself. He loved the Lord above all else, and it just poured out of him in truly beautiful wonderful works, but sometimes he just couldn't get over himself and his upbringing. I'm glad he was a zealot for the Lord though. Jesus is so wonderful. He sure knows how to pick the right man for the job. But I just don't know why Paul should be the authority on dealing with outpourings of the Spirit in church. His letter to Corinth is taken as the only Gospel on it, but go back to Acts and Pentecost. Peter and his group got so wild, everyone thought they were drunk when they poured out onto the streets. He and the Eleven got up and celebrated this, using it as an opportunity to preach. You didn't read that he told anybody to shut up or that they should restrain themselves so "...all things should be done with regard to decency and propreity and in orderly fashion." (1Cor 14:40) Jesus tells us Peter was to be the rock His church was built upon. I adore Peter and I want to be a Christian like him. Paul is much too judgemental and rule-bound for me. He's a Pharisee. I love Paul. 1Cor 13 is one of my favorite chapters in the Bible. How could anyone think it was not written by someone in the grip of the Holy Spirit? But I have to remind myself that not everything that came from the apostles was of the Spirit. Peter himself was praised by Jesus in one moment as having had a revelation straight from God, and the next moment was being called the devil, and told to get away. An example of this with Paul, is that Jesus said if we want to come to the Father we have to come as little children, but Paul says, "...stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults." (1Cor 14:20,21), then he goes right on to quote the Law. A true Pharisee. And it was Jesus who warned us to listen to them, but don't be like them. A final comment about Paul. In 1Corin 15:5-8, he deliberately leaves out any mention that it was the women who walked with Jesus who were chosen to take the news to the Apostles that Jesus was risen. Matt, Mark, and Luke, all feel it is important to tell this. The only Gospel actually written by one of the Apostles goes further and says not only did angels appear to the women, but that Jesus Himself came to the sobbing Mary and basically said, "Woman, what are you doing?" (John 20:15) Read those verses. The angels had already come to instruct her, but Jesus, who had not yet even gone to His Father after His resurrection, was moved by His love for her to stop and comfort her himself. "Mary!" He said to her. Can't you just hear Him? In one word, he says, didn't I tell you about this? Am I not standing right here in front of you? now, get up and hush. Could He not have appeared just as easily first to Peter? Or John, "the disciple that He loved"? But He didn't. And the fact that He stopped on the way to His Father, still ceremonial clean (Don't touch me---), just to stop this cherished woman from grieving one moment longer, speaks to me of a love that is just immeasurable. Jesus loves men, but He cherishes women. Praise God! Thank you Jesus and I love you, too! |
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5 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58546 | ||
The Law he is referring to is as noted above to have its reference in Gen 3:16. "To the woman He said, I will greatly multiply your grief and your suffering in pregnancy and the pangs of childbearing; with spasms of distress you will bring forth children. Yet your desire and craving will be for your husband and he will rule over you." Well, this says I will be ruled by my husband because my desire and craving will be for him. And its true. I have eaten in many a restaurant I don't like, because I invariably find myself letting him have his way. And I have shoes and outfits I don't like for the same reason. It is my desire (love) for him that makes me give in to him all the time on all kinds of issues. God said it, and I can testify that its true. But I submit because Jesus tells me to submit. And that's a two way street. No where though do I find in the Bible that says I should or that I have to submit to any man or every man. When I first read this verse and verse 35, I was devastated. I prayed on it for days! So in my Bible studies over the next few days, the Spirit started leading me around the Scriptures. First He took me to Jesus warning us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. Then He took me to Acts where He pointed out to me that Paul was a Pharisee. Then He took me to 1Corinthians 7:12 and 25, where Paul says outright that he is speaking from his own opinions and not from any revelation of the Lord. I was feeling better. That night I prayed over it, then the next morning I was led to 2Corinthians 5:16,17. In verse 16, dear Paul says that we should estimate and regard no one from a purely human point of view, in terms of natural standards of value.--- So how does he justify his 1 Corinthians order for women to be quiet "just as the Law says"? By his OT, Pharisee traditions it is "disgraceful for a woman to talk in church, for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in church." Yet by his NT 2 Corinthians 5:17 teachings, "Therefore if any person is ingrafted in Christ the Messiah he is a new creation, a new creature altogether..." Does this mean, except for women? We're still to be bound by the Law? Dead in our sin? NOT! I was feeling ALOT better by this point. Then I read 2 Corinthians 6:3 "We put no obstruction in anybody's way, we give no offense in anything, so that no fault may be found and our ministry blamed and discredited." -- Wrong! I and no doubt many, many women found fault and were offended. Then God took me to Mary, the first person to see Jesus after He rose. He pointed out to me that Jesus actually stopped on His way to ascending to His Father to comfort this WOMAN. There ended up being a reason for His telling me to speak through my husband in our church (specifically our Wed night Bible studies with our newly ordained young Pastor), and of course, He was right and it was best that I do it. I would have obeied irregardless, but it was really great the way that He comforted me. Because God really does love women; and I think Paul came around to understanding that before he finished his run. Oh, and you might also read Acts 1:13-14. Jesus had told them all, the men and the women, to go back to Jerusalem and wait, and in Acts 1:13,14, there they are, the men and the women, praying and worshiping and waiting together as they had been commanded. Even though that was against their Jewish/Temple Law--the same one which was the basis for Paul's saying above. It was only when they disregarded that Law and were obedient to Jesus, that the Holy Spirit came to them. Jesus told them it would, because He knew they would obey Him. That act of Faith and obedience breaking down prejudice and traditonal walls invited the Holy Spirit to work as it would.---So you want to go back to the Law? |
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